Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

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Just a small point -Deut NOT Duet. A duet is something two people play on musical instruments or sing.

Deut is short for Deuteronomy.
Happens to the best of 'em. The word deuteronomy itself derives from a Greek mistranslation (this 2nd law) of the Hebrew (a copy of this law).
 

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1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. :)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error." 1 John 4:1-6

Addressing this to you, ISIT, this time! I have just posted the whole passage. You are very much lacking the context of this.

First, yes, we are to test the spirits, to see if they are from God. Because we don't want to be seduced by false prophets.

Second, in verse 2 - HOW do we test the prophets?

If they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and is God, then they are true prophets. If they do not confess Jesus Christ, that is the spirit of antichrist.

By verse 4, John is reving up! He says point blank - "
you are from God and have overcome them..."

Of course, we have overcome them, because the Spirit of Christ, or the Holy Spirit is in us. If there is anyone here who does not believe that Jesus came in the flesh, then we do need to admonish them. But my thought is that there is not anyone here, at this point who would say this.

Praise the Lord! We are from God, and the Holy Spirit is leading and guiding us! What a wonderful group of verses!

 
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I don't need a long post to tell me what Matthew 7:16-20 means. It's pretty obvious - a tree's known by what it produces. Jesus was a master of simplicity.
Evil is as Evil does....Good is as good does....Stupid is as stupid does (Forrest Gump) I know what love is. :)
 
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Just a small point -Deut NOT Duet. A duet is something two people play on musical instruments or sing.

Deut is short for Deuteronomy. And no, you really can't pull them out of context, and understand their meaning. Esp. When those verses date back to the just after the Exodus, when the Israelities had not crossed the Jordan River to begin the conquest, through to later prophets like Isaiah and Joel warning of captivity for the disobedient Israelites.

That is like pulling the following verse out, and saying it applies to today. Which sadly, is a criticism often levelled at Christians, for taking the Bible literally. Of course, it was to be taken literally by those to whom it was addressed - The Israelities - just not us!
Yes you can Paul uses those very verses in his discourse in Romans 10:1-21.

And I dont use spell check so you will find spelling errors, have fun with that LOL!
 
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"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error." 1 John 4:1-6

Addressing this to you, ISIT, this time! I have just posted the whole passage. You are very much lacking the context of this.

First, yes, we are to test the spirits, to see if they are from God. Because we don't want to be seduced by false prophets.

Second, in verse 2 - HOW do we test the prophets?

If they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and is God, then they are true prophets. If they do not confess Jesus Christ, that is the spirit of antichrist.

By verse 4, John is reving up! He says point blank - "
you are from God and have overcome them..."

Of course, we have overcome them, because the Spirit of Christ, or the Holy Spirit is in us. If there is anyone here who does not believe that Jesus came in the flesh, then we do need to admonish them. But my thought is that there is not anyone here, at this point who would say this.

Praise the Lord! We are from God, and the Holy Spirit is leading and guiding us! What a wonderful group of verses!

That verse I posted still stands. By posting the following verses does not knock it down somehow. Scripture does not contradict scripture. Also, there is more than one way to tell if someone is not of God's Spirit.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
 
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Happens to the best of 'em. The word deuteronomy itself derives from a Greek mistranslation (this 2nd law) of the Hebrew (a copy of this law).
I always shorten it that way, I pay very little attention to those things, I still dont know how to spell out most of the books, let alone abreviate them according to a correct speling.
 
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Happens to the best of 'em. The word deuteronomy itself derives from a Greek mistranslation (this 2nd law) of the Hebrew (a copy of this law).
And by the way (thanks) your graciousness speaks well of you, its what makes reading you so enjoyable

Hey I did another typo (I corrected it for ya) :D
 

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you also cannot chop Scripture into soundbites, that is why you get upset when CONTEXT is mentioned to you. you do understand that chapters and verses were not added to the Bible until hundreds of years after it was put together. you know this right?

that is why one must be careful about isolating verses too much.
 
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you also cannot chop Scripture into soundbites, that is why you get upset when CONTEXT is mentioned to you. you do understand that chapters and verses were not added to the Bible until hundreds of years after it was put together. you know this right?

that is why one must be careful about isolating verses too much.
I believe the Holy Ghost was very careful when doing that in and through Paul
 

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Angela, I find it confusing and odd that you think we are divided up into opposing teams or sides. But it's particularly confusing that you are now aligning with those who hold hyper grace views, whereas in the past you have openly opposed it. I can't imagine that you now embrace this doctrine, but you openly support those who promote it.
If this thread is not divided into opposing sides, I will eat my hat! LOL

No, I do not think I am "hyper-grace" having read a few definitions of what is means. I fully believe that full repentance, confession of sins, and walking after Christ are part of the gospel, and necessary to our journey with Christ. And not just once, but till we meet Christ face to face.

But I do agree when people post about grace. If it was not for the amazing grace of God, I know I would not be saved. And God truly uses everything to bring us to Christ - before I was saved, I used to sing "Amazing Grace" in bars and pubs. I had no idea what it meant, just that everyone seemed to like it.

Those words, many of them directly from the Bible, were part of what ate at my heart, and drove me to find the truth of Jesus Christ. And when Jesus spoke to me, my heart was prepared to receive the truth of his saving grace. (Yes, he did and still continues to speak to me, although I am not charismatic or Pentecostal! - Sorry ember!)

So grace is important. And works do not save us (I believe you have agreed with this in posts, HRFTD) and neither do they maintain our salvation.

So my biggest objection to all these threads which threaten us with losing our salvation if we do not follow Christ, which seems to mean - do good works or flee from sin- are what I am posting about. I don't know how many times I have said this, I feel like a broken record! I was just reading about these in Greek again this morning, and how important the verb tenses are to support the fact that God is the one working in us, but I am not going into the Greek again.

Justification - God has justified us - in the past by his grace (Romans 5:1, Eph. 2:8-9)

Sanctification - The Holy Spirit leads and guides us - he is the one who changes us, and transforms us into the image of Christ (Romans 12:2, 2 Cor. 3:18) Since the goal of our total Christian walk is to be transformed into the image of Christ, and since we cannot possibly do this on our own, it is the Spirit that makes us holy. And if we are in the process of becoming more like Christ, that would automatically mean that we are bearing fruit, developing the fruits of the Holy Spirit, and generally becoming more like Jesus, both on the inside and the outside!)

Glorification - the day we see Christ face to face, and are freed from sin and death. (1 Cor. 13:12, 1 John 3:2, Romans 8:29-30) I can hardly wait for that day!

So my objection is to the lack of understanding of the journey of salvation, and how God intiates, maintains and completes it in our life. Another objection is thinking that if God chooses you, he might have made a mistake, and accidentally picked someone who couldn't persevere to the end. God is sovereign, and whomever he has chosen, will make it to glorification. No ifs, ands or buts!

Finally, if someone that is in a different "camp" or of a different opinion than me posts something that is true, and Biblical, I will "like" it. Because hopefully, if someone is reading the Bible, they will come across some truth, right?


Besides, I would rather read an edifying post any day, over verses which not only are pulled out of context, but are judgemental and condemning. Although there is no doubt God can and will, and often does use the verses of judgement, that is not where God has me at this point in my walk with him.
 

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I believe the Holy Ghost was very careful when doing that in and through Paul
I agree. but Paul's letters did not originally have chapters and verses. it is of course fine to use verses but context is very important.
 
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you also cannot chop Scripture into soundbites, that is why you get upset when CONTEXT is mentioned to you. you do understand that chapters and verses were not added to the Bible until hundreds of years after it was put together. you know this right?

that is why one must be careful about isolating verses too much.
People just hate the warning in the whole of the message. The warnings in the message are very real, as all the warnings in the scriptures I posted are very real. Ignore them if you wish, but you have been warned. Nighty :)
 
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In Pauls Paragraph in Romans 10:1-21 (for example) Here is the order of the same excluding his interjecting

Paul starts in Lev 18:5 then turns to Duet 30:12-14 (taking two verses out here) next Paul turns to Isaiah 28:16 turns to Joel 2:32 and then he returns back to Isaiah 52:7 skipping "up to" Isaiah 53:1 then back to Psalms 19:4 reaching again further back into Duet 32:21 then lastly reaches into Isaiah 65:1-2 (taking two verses out of there)
 

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People just hate the warning in the whole of the message. The warnings in the message are very real, as all the warnings in the scriptures I posted are very real. Ignore them if you wish, but you have been warned. Nighty :)
I do not hate the warnings, I believe them as I do the rest of Scripture. but the Word of God is NOT all warnings, judgement, hell. they are real. so is grace, mercy, forgiveness,. just be balanced. that is my point.
 

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In Pauls Paragraph in Romans 10:1-21 (for example) Here is the order of the same excluding his interjecting

Paul starts in Lev 18:5 then turns to Duet 30:12-14 (taking two verses out here) next Paul turns to Isaiah 28:16 turns to Joel 2:32 and then he returns back to Isaiah 52:7 skipping "up to" Isaiah 53:1 then back to Psalms 19:4 reaching again further back into Duet 32:21 then lastly reaches into Isaiah 65:1-2 (taking two verses out of there)
o.k. but the O.T. books ( scrolls ) did not have verses.
 
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I do not hate the warnings, I believe them as I do the rest of Scripture. but the Word of God is NOT all warnings, judgement, hell. they are real. so is grace, mercy, forgiveness,. just be balanced. that is my point.
Well my thread was about warnings. :)
 

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The difference between me and you is the difference between heaven and earth. You are born of this world, and I am born from heaven above. You were taught by men, but I was not taught by any man. Your theology is not your own, as it is that of other carnally minded men like yourself. My doctrine is not my own, but that which I received from the Lord by the revelation of Jesus Christ and the anointing of the Holy Spirit. This is why you do not receive our testimony, because those who are of the world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth, because it sees Him not. Have a nice evening. :)

may i ask a question and receive a direct 'yes' or 'no' answer?

did you intend to make a judgement in the state of Angela's soul?

it appears you most certainly did just that, which is why i ask about your intent.

thank you.