Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils
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1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error." 1 John 4:1-6
Addressing this to you, ISIT, this time! I have just posted the whole passage. You are very much lacking the context of this.
First, yes, we are to test the spirits, to see if they are from God. Because we don't want to be seduced by false prophets.
Second, in verse 2 - HOW do we test the prophets?
If they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and is God, then they are true prophets. If they do not confess Jesus Christ, that is the spirit of antichrist.
By verse 4, John is reving up! He says point blank - "you are from God and have overcome them..."
Of course, we have overcome them, because the Spirit of Christ, or the Holy Spirit is in us. If there is anyone here who does not believe that Jesus came in the flesh, then we do need to admonish them. But my thought is that there is not anyone here, at this point who would say this.
Praise the Lord! We are from God, and the Holy Spirit is leading and guiding us! What a wonderful group of verses!
That verse I posted still stands. By posting the following verses does not knock it down somehow. Scripture does not contradict scripture. Also, there is more than one way to tell if someone is not of God's Spirit.
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
you also cannot chop Scripture into soundbites, that is why you get upset when CONTEXT is mentioned to you. you do understand that chapters and verses were not added to the Bible until hundreds of years after it was put together. you know this right?
that is why one must be careful about isolating verses too much.
that is why one must be careful about isolating verses too much.
If this thread is not divided into opposing sides, I will eat my hat! LOL
No, I do not think I am "hyper-grace" having read a few definitions of what is means. I fully believe that full repentance, confession of sins, and walking after Christ are part of the gospel, and necessary to our journey with Christ. And not just once, but till we meet Christ face to face.
But I do agree when people post about grace. If it was not for the amazing grace of God, I know I would not be saved. And God truly uses everything to bring us to Christ - before I was saved, I used to sing "Amazing Grace" in bars and pubs. I had no idea what it meant, just that everyone seemed to like it.
Those words, many of them directly from the Bible, were part of what ate at my heart, and drove me to find the truth of Jesus Christ. And when Jesus spoke to me, my heart was prepared to receive the truth of his saving grace. (Yes, he did and still continues to speak to me, although I am not charismatic or Pentecostal! - Sorry ember!)
So grace is important. And works do not save us (I believe you have agreed with this in posts, HRFTD) and neither do they maintain our salvation.
So my biggest objection to all these threads which threaten us with losing our salvation if we do not follow Christ, which seems to mean - do good works or flee from sin- are what I am posting about. I don't know how many times I have said this, I feel like a broken record! I was just reading about these in Greek again this morning, and how important the verb tenses are to support the fact that God is the one working in us, but I am not going into the Greek again.
Justification - God has justified us - in the past by his grace (Romans 5:1, Eph. 2:8-9)
Sanctification - The Holy Spirit leads and guides us - he is the one who changes us, and transforms us into the image of Christ (Romans 12:2, 2 Cor. 3:18) Since the goal of our total Christian walk is to be transformed into the image of Christ, and since we cannot possibly do this on our own, it is the Spirit that makes us holy. And if we are in the process of becoming more like Christ, that would automatically mean that we are bearing fruit, developing the fruits of the Holy Spirit, and generally becoming more like Jesus, both on the inside and the outside!)
Glorification - the day we see Christ face to face, and are freed from sin and death. (1 Cor. 13:12, 1 John 3:2, Romans 8:29-30) I can hardly wait for that day!
So my objection is to the lack of understanding of the journey of salvation, and how God intiates, maintains and completes it in our life. Another objection is thinking that if God chooses you, he might have made a mistake, and accidentally picked someone who couldn't persevere to the end. God is sovereign, and whomever he has chosen, will make it to glorification. No ifs, ands or buts!
Finally, if someone that is in a different "camp" or of a different opinion than me posts something that is true, and Biblical, I will "like" it. Because hopefully, if someone is reading the Bible, they will come across some truth, right?
Besides, I would rather read an edifying post any day, over verses which not only are pulled out of context, but are judgemental and condemning. Although there is no doubt God can and will, and often does use the verses of judgement, that is not where God has me at this point in my walk with him.
No, I do not think I am "hyper-grace" having read a few definitions of what is means. I fully believe that full repentance, confession of sins, and walking after Christ are part of the gospel, and necessary to our journey with Christ. And not just once, but till we meet Christ face to face.
But I do agree when people post about grace. If it was not for the amazing grace of God, I know I would not be saved. And God truly uses everything to bring us to Christ - before I was saved, I used to sing "Amazing Grace" in bars and pubs. I had no idea what it meant, just that everyone seemed to like it.
Those words, many of them directly from the Bible, were part of what ate at my heart, and drove me to find the truth of Jesus Christ. And when Jesus spoke to me, my heart was prepared to receive the truth of his saving grace. (Yes, he did and still continues to speak to me, although I am not charismatic or Pentecostal! - Sorry ember!)
So grace is important. And works do not save us (I believe you have agreed with this in posts, HRFTD) and neither do they maintain our salvation.
So my biggest objection to all these threads which threaten us with losing our salvation if we do not follow Christ, which seems to mean - do good works or flee from sin- are what I am posting about. I don't know how many times I have said this, I feel like a broken record! I was just reading about these in Greek again this morning, and how important the verb tenses are to support the fact that God is the one working in us, but I am not going into the Greek again.
Justification - God has justified us - in the past by his grace (Romans 5:1, Eph. 2:8-9)
Sanctification - The Holy Spirit leads and guides us - he is the one who changes us, and transforms us into the image of Christ (Romans 12:2, 2 Cor. 3:18) Since the goal of our total Christian walk is to be transformed into the image of Christ, and since we cannot possibly do this on our own, it is the Spirit that makes us holy. And if we are in the process of becoming more like Christ, that would automatically mean that we are bearing fruit, developing the fruits of the Holy Spirit, and generally becoming more like Jesus, both on the inside and the outside!)
Glorification - the day we see Christ face to face, and are freed from sin and death. (1 Cor. 13:12, 1 John 3:2, Romans 8:29-30) I can hardly wait for that day!
So my objection is to the lack of understanding of the journey of salvation, and how God intiates, maintains and completes it in our life. Another objection is thinking that if God chooses you, he might have made a mistake, and accidentally picked someone who couldn't persevere to the end. God is sovereign, and whomever he has chosen, will make it to glorification. No ifs, ands or buts!
Finally, if someone that is in a different "camp" or of a different opinion than me posts something that is true, and Biblical, I will "like" it. Because hopefully, if someone is reading the Bible, they will come across some truth, right?
Besides, I would rather read an edifying post any day, over verses which not only are pulled out of context, but are judgemental and condemning. Although there is no doubt God can and will, and often does use the verses of judgement, that is not where God has me at this point in my walk with him.
In Pauls Paragraph in Romans 10:1-21 (for example) Here is the order of the same excluding his interjecting
Paul starts in Lev 18:5 then turns to Duet 30:12-14 (taking two verses out here) next Paul turns to Isaiah 28:16 turns to Joel 2:32 and then he returns back to Isaiah 52:7 skipping "up to" Isaiah 53:1 then back to Psalms 19:4 reaching again further back into Duet 32:21 then lastly reaches into Isaiah 65:1-2 (taking two verses out of there)
Paul starts in Lev 18:5 then turns to Duet 30:12-14 (taking two verses out here) next Paul turns to Isaiah 28:16 turns to Joel 2:32 and then he returns back to Isaiah 52:7 skipping "up to" Isaiah 53:1 then back to Psalms 19:4 reaching again further back into Duet 32:21 then lastly reaches into Isaiah 65:1-2 (taking two verses out of there)
People just hate the warning in the whole of the message. The warnings in the message are very real, as all the warnings in the scriptures I posted are very real. Ignore them if you wish, but you have been warned. Nighty
The difference between me and you is the difference between heaven and earth. You are born of this world, and I am born from heaven above. You were taught by men, but I was not taught by any man. Your theology is not your own, as it is that of other carnally minded men like yourself. My doctrine is not my own, but that which I received from the Lord by the revelation of Jesus Christ and the anointing of the Holy Spirit. This is why you do not receive our testimony, because those who are of the world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth, because it sees Him not. Have a nice evening.
may i ask a question and receive a direct 'yes' or 'no' answer?
did you intend to make a judgement in the state of Angela's soul?
it appears you most certainly did just that, which is why i ask about your intent.
thank you.