Signs as tools of wondering?
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No; it says "These signs shall follow those who believe...". It doesn't say, "Signs follow...". Those words you took away are important.
Precisely! This refutes your position; signs may indeed be used to confirm the authority of the messenger and are not always the cause of doubt.
Paul wasn't given the thorn in his side at his conversion, but years later.
The book of Revelation is not sealed with seven seals. If it were, none of us could read it. There is no promise not to add or subtract; it's a warning against doing so.
So given that you state this, why do you claim that signs lead to doubt?
Nothing in the passage suggests that Saul saw Samuel or any image, or that Samuel appeared in his mind. The woman saw Samuel. Again, you added something that isn't in Scripture.
There is nothing in the passage to suggest that it was anything other than the spirit of Samuel himself. There is no suggestion that it was any kind of unclean spirit. Scripture clearly says, "Samuel said to Saul...", not "the spirit said to Saul...". More adding.
It wasn't a lie. What Samuel told Saul actually happened. None of it was a lie. Still more adding to Scripture.
The passage about God sending a "strong delusion" was written a thousand years after Saul's death. Effectively, you're adding to Scripture here too.
Nothing in the text suggests that Saul was wondering about anything.
You might understand Scripture better if you stopped adding to and subtracting from it. It's quite amazing that you cite the relevant passage, and so blatantly ignore it.
By the way, here's a free lesson in punctuation: the period "." at the end of the sentence goes immediately after the word, and never after a space.
Do it like this.
Don't do it like this .
Precisely! This refutes your position; signs may indeed be used to confirm the authority of the messenger and are not always the cause of doubt.
Paul wasn't given the thorn in his side at his conversion, but years later.
The book of Revelation is not sealed with seven seals. If it were, none of us could read it. There is no promise not to add or subtract; it's a warning against doing so.
So given that you state this, why do you claim that signs lead to doubt?
Nothing in the passage suggests that Saul saw Samuel or any image, or that Samuel appeared in his mind. The woman saw Samuel. Again, you added something that isn't in Scripture.
There is nothing in the passage to suggest that it was anything other than the spirit of Samuel himself. There is no suggestion that it was any kind of unclean spirit. Scripture clearly says, "Samuel said to Saul...", not "the spirit said to Saul...". More adding.
It wasn't a lie. What Samuel told Saul actually happened. None of it was a lie. Still more adding to Scripture.
The passage about God sending a "strong delusion" was written a thousand years after Saul's death. Effectively, you're adding to Scripture here too.
Nothing in the text suggests that Saul was wondering about anything.
You might understand Scripture better if you stopped adding to and subtracting from it. It's quite amazing that you cite the relevant passage, and so blatantly ignore it.
By the way, here's a free lesson in punctuation: the period "." at the end of the sentence goes immediately after the word, and never after a space.
Do it like this.
Don't do it like this .
Yes, follow or accompany .Not lead beforehand as something to seek after by wondering never coming to faith the conclusion.
The unseen work is hearing the gospel of of salvation being empower by God we can believe.. And not wonder. Signs follow. They are not to wonder after..
The unseen Holy Spirit working in the person to both will and do His good pleasure.
The parable makes it clear by looking at the metaphors. Mixing the things seen the temporal, Snakes poison, tongues with the unseen work of God the eternal . No mixing no faith no understanding. Therefore forfeiting the work of prophecy (the parable) .
Many have tested and went ahead and drank literal poison or bitten by snakes to show they were doing a work of "self edifying" . Their tombstone's read. "Look I died proving myself worthy "
A good example is found in Acts 14. There a person was set aside that could never walk . When hearing the words of the gospel spoken by the apostles . the invisible work of the holy spirt worked in the person to both will and do the god pleasure of God .The gospel empowered him to walk. Using walking a metptphor to indicate hearing the understanding of God.
Those who look for a work of self edifying and not edifying our One Holy Father who alone has the power . They turned the Apostles into gods in the likeness of men destroying the word Apostles. . making them into gods. Just as the Catholics with what they call apostolic succession . Men following men seen not not our Father in heaven not seen
The gospel, the unseen power of God an exclusive work of God. Who name is Jealous will not share his glory with the corrupted hand of mankind. Not of the sent, powerless ones (apostle)
Note... (purple) my added comment.
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: (The word of God) who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith (from God) to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people (faithless) saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14:7-14
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Israel is our sign of the times. Always has been. There are many signs of the times in the new testament.
Prophecies that have come to pass are signs of the time.
Times of the gentiles.....fig tree sigh all point to a certain time.
Garee I don't know why you keep on spiritualizing scripture. Much of it is straight forward.
To add or take away to give you understanding is not the way to go.......just saying.
God is very specific on these things it's not a stab in the dark nor does it take a spiritual guru to figure it out.
Prophecies that have come to pass are signs of the time.
Times of the gentiles.....fig tree sigh all point to a certain time.
Garee I don't know why you keep on spiritualizing scripture. Much of it is straight forward.
To add or take away to give you understanding is not the way to go.......just saying.
God is very specific on these things it's not a stab in the dark nor does it take a spiritual guru to figure it out.
Really Nothings?
1 Samuel 28: 6-7 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
It would seem he found his own kind of prophet called a witch or a wizard a worker of familiar spirts (the dead) .Or what Catholic must call mystics as patron saints ( the legion 3500 and rising). The wonderers star gazers .
When the legion comes up spoken of in Luke 8 below. It required a face or a image to continue the illusion
Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.Saul bowed down the illusion created in his flesh mind propmoted the the father of lies. God sent a strong delusion
Saul died wondering never coming the that faith of Christ that does come from hearing the true prophets. Not the worker with familiar spirts (Necromancy)
Where did she get the vison from seeing it was not from above? A ouija board. . , tarot cards? palm reading?
1 Samuel 28: 14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
When King Josiah opened the book of prophecy the bible .The word of God's prophecy moved him to both will and do the good pleasure of God not seen . It destroyed the work of false prophecy, false apostles as worker with a familiar spirits (legion) the same that Catholics call patron saints. (3500 and rising )
2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.
Prophecy simply destroys necromancy .Seeking the dead for the living.
1 Samuel 28: 6-7 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
It would seem he found his own kind of prophet called a witch or a wizard a worker of familiar spirts (the dead) .Or what Catholic must call mystics as patron saints ( the legion 3500 and rising). The wonderers star gazers .
When the legion comes up spoken of in Luke 8 below. It required a face or a image to continue the illusion
Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.Saul bowed down the illusion created in his flesh mind propmoted the the father of lies. God sent a strong delusion
Saul died wondering never coming the that faith of Christ that does come from hearing the true prophets. Not the worker with familiar spirts (Necromancy)
Where did she get the vison from seeing it was not from above? A ouija board. . , tarot cards? palm reading?
1 Samuel 28: 14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
When King Josiah opened the book of prophecy the bible .The word of God's prophecy moved him to both will and do the good pleasure of God not seen . It destroyed the work of false prophecy, false apostles as worker with a familiar spirits (legion) the same that Catholics call patron saints. (3500 and rising )
2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.
Prophecy simply destroys necromancy .Seeking the dead for the living.
Much is straight forward. Parable bring the things hidden in darkness into the light .Mysteries made know,
I se that a little differently. Not all Israel is born again Israel .Some retain the Jacob identification as led by the deceiver the god of this world .
Just as in the same way not all that name the name Christian are Christians . Christian is the new name our father promised to has name his bride. Previously up unto the reformation called her Israel . The first born, or again the born again name Christian which literally mean residents as the bride of Christ prepared as the city of Christ . Named after her founder and husband Christ. Called Zion . The unseen eternal city, the new unseen Jerusalem.
Christian, a more befitting name representing all the nations.
Not the temporal Jerusalem what the eyes see, Faith the unseen must be mixed with the temporal if we are to find the work of faith. . . His understanding working in us .Not the understanding the eyes see the temporal . Earthly Jerusalem as shadow or type of the unseen eternal city prepared as the one bride .
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
If no mixing of faith using the temporal seen to give us the unseen eternal Then no gospel rest . (Hebrew 4:1 :4)
I se that a little differently. Not all Israel is born again Israel .Some retain the Jacob identification as led by the deceiver the god of this world .
Just as in the same way not all that name the name Christian are Christians . Christian is the new name our father promised to has name his bride. Previously up unto the reformation called her Israel . The first born, or again the born again name Christian which literally mean residents as the bride of Christ prepared as the city of Christ . Named after her founder and husband Christ. Called Zion . The unseen eternal city, the new unseen Jerusalem.
Christian, a more befitting name representing all the nations.
Not the temporal Jerusalem what the eyes see, Faith the unseen must be mixed with the temporal if we are to find the work of faith. . . His understanding working in us .Not the understanding the eyes see the temporal . Earthly Jerusalem as shadow or type of the unseen eternal city prepared as the one bride .
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
If no mixing of faith using the temporal seen to give us the unseen eternal Then no gospel rest . (Hebrew 4:1 :4)
Really Nothings?
1 Samuel 28: 6-7 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
1 Samuel 28: 6-7 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
What the Catholics believe is completely irrelevant.
Also irrelevant.
Samuel was a true prophet, before and after his death. He spoke true prophecy, and that prophecy was fulfilled.
Don't be a blind fool! The text tells you the answer. Read it!
You challenged only one statement I made. Deal with the rest.
Here is a couple. Thou shalt not have any gods before me. Thou shall not murder. etc
Mysteries are made know in parables.
Parables are used more in ceremonial law as shadow. Using the things seen the temporal to represent the unseen eternal .Like the fourth commandment . Using two different parables as reasonings laws in both renderings .Exodus and Deuteronomy with the same answer or conclusion of faith, in respect to the daily sabbath with different beginnings. .
That ceremonial law as a fast began being exercised on the first day of the week, the first day of the new wilderness calendar.
The daily hourly by the minute rest is every time we do not harden of own hearts and say. Who needs to mix the unseen will of God (faith ) with the things seen. Hebrews 4 informs us no gospel for them who literalize the spiritual understanding hid in the parables .The teacher of faith . Not teachers of wonderments leading to doubt. leading to hatred and murder .Out of sight out of mind pagan foundation. The religion of Atheist's . .
It's obvious you post what others think in regards of Catholicism. In regards of Scriptures as well. You shouldn't let your anti-Catholic sentiments create a bias powerful eneogh to add things to the text that aren't there. Familiar spirits are demons not disembodied human souls and Catholic mysticism has nothing to do with witchcraft. You should at the very least take a look at these things for yourself before parroting others who publish opinions about subjects they are ignorant of.
It does not make me the authority and not the word of God the authority in maters of faith the unseen will of God. .I spent ten years daily .And do visit occasionally .
I have no hatred for a Catholic. Its a dark place but does not mean there are no believers . They are in need of the light of the gospel seeing they must as a law of their fathers serve another authority other than the word of God's prophecy . (sola scriptura) Which they call heresy and the law of the fathers the true law..
They simply as non vereable pew Catholics must seek the approval of men .Making the commandment 2 Timothy 2:15 that works in the believer to study to show ourselves approved unto the one Holy Father in heaven. They do that with many commandments . Like call no man on earth father. Or the warning of those who say we do need a man seen to teach us .
One is our infallible teacher in heaven our Holy Father Not a legion of fathers on earth as a law unto themselves. . They give that authority of our father in heaven over to the fathers( legion) The venerable or worship-able ones. . I have had plenty of time ten years to look at the differences .And its very clear that Catholics do seek after the dead that they call Patron saints.
My first attempt in forums was in a Catholic Protestant' forum. . ten years ...
What do you suppose the function of a whole corps of Mystics is if not to seek after wonders as if God was still adding to the written word .
Can as a example Padre Pio who could be in two place at the same time be sought after like what some call St Christopher one of the 3500 workers with familiar spirits .Can a woman called mother Teresa still have the power to be venerated? Are their idol images available to put a face on the the legion.
Why not? They use the things seen the temporal to give us the unseen understanding. (Mixing faith)
Two different reasoning law having the same end rest .Two different beginnings. Parables as reasoning law does not apply with moral laws. They do not need a parable to give the understand as a shadow . Thou shall not murder or the other 8 .
Deuteronomy 5: 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Exodus 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Do we ignore the understanding of the parables by literalizes the signified understanding?
Two different reasoning law having the same end rest .Two different beginnings. Parables as reasoning law does not apply with moral laws. They do not need a parable to give the understand as a shadow . Thou shall not murder or the other 8 .
Deuteronomy 5: 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Exodus 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Do we ignore the understanding of the parables by literalizes the signified understanding?
They aren't parables, period. They are commandments.
"Do not murder" means exactly this: Do not murder. There is no "signified understanding" to be found in those three words. The "mixing with faith" is asking God to change you on the inside so that you don't commit murder in your heart either, not to invent esoteric bafflegab.
"Do not murder" means exactly this: Do not murder. There is no "signified understanding" to be found in those three words. The "mixing with faith" is asking God to change you on the inside so that you don't commit murder in your heart either, not to invent esoteric bafflegab.
Paul born again was put on the #1 most wanted dead or alive. Previously before his born again conversation . No purgatory needed) as Saul he was a member of the murderous mob who delighted in murdering Christians.(Acts 22) seeking the approval of their Pope or high Priest who gave them letters of his approval .
They sought to kill Paul as a law of the faithless fathers (out of sight out of mind.) But they could not prove all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) was a heresy and their law of corrupted mankind as oral traditions of men the true an righteous one.
Paul informed them as that what they call heresy by it (sola scriptura) he worshiped the unseen God of the fathers seen.
They worshiped the legion of fathers as is they according to what ones sees were the one Holy Father in heaven not seen .
.It exposed their faithlessness and they walked away in unbelief just like the false disciples in John 6 .No faith coming from the unseen Holy Father. None, not little faith .
Big difference (eternal) between worshipping, venerating the God of the fathers and the fathers as if they were God.
Acts 24: 13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Jesus spoke of them in one of the "think not" commandments as doctrine .not to wonder about but rather believe have faith that does work in these earthen bodies of death
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Simply replace the name Abraham with Peter .. The church is made up many lively stones to represent the spiritual unseen house as His bride. Not of Peter or Abraham.
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Peter to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Peter .
Same law of the fathers the (legion) different names. Both earthly inspired by the father of lies carbon copies, copy cats. .
They sought to kill Paul as a law of the faithless fathers (out of sight out of mind.) But they could not prove all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) was a heresy and their law of corrupted mankind as oral traditions of men the true an righteous one.
Paul informed them as that what they call heresy by it (sola scriptura) he worshiped the unseen God of the fathers seen.
They worshiped the legion of fathers as is they according to what ones sees were the one Holy Father in heaven not seen .
.It exposed their faithlessness and they walked away in unbelief just like the false disciples in John 6 .No faith coming from the unseen Holy Father. None, not little faith .
Big difference (eternal) between worshipping, venerating the God of the fathers and the fathers as if they were God.
Acts 24: 13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Jesus spoke of them in one of the "think not" commandments as doctrine .not to wonder about but rather believe have faith that does work in these earthen bodies of death
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Simply replace the name Abraham with Peter .. The church is made up many lively stones to represent the spiritual unseen house as His bride. Not of Peter or Abraham.
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Peter to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Peter .
Same law of the fathers the (legion) different names. Both earthly inspired by the father of lies carbon copies, copy cats. .
No, you weren't. Here are your exact words from post #49: "Here is a couple. Thou shalt not have any gods before me. Thou shall not murder. etc"
No, but you do.
Garee, you've been babbling on about ""literalizing the unseen spiritual understanding" and "mysteries hid (sic) in parables" for months. NOT ONCE have you shared any "unseen spiritual understanding" that you have found. In other words, you're full of wind, not Spirit.
Here's the truth of the matter: if you ignore the plain text, the Bible is of no use to you. You might as well read Cosmopolitan.
Proper biblical exegesis begins with the plain text.
No, but you do.
Garee, you've been babbling on about ""literalizing the unseen spiritual understanding" and "mysteries hid (sic) in parables" for months. NOT ONCE have you shared any "unseen spiritual understanding" that you have found. In other words, you're full of wind, not Spirit.
Here's the truth of the matter: if you ignore the plain text, the Bible is of no use to you. You might as well read Cosmopolitan.
Proper biblical exegesis begins with the plain text.
Are there parables hid in Cosmopolitan?
Parables reveal unseen spiritual understanding ,mysteries hid. If your not interested in searching them out how would you expect to find them?
The reference that describes a parable used as shadow in the fourth commandment was post 53.
Why do you think there are two different reasons given with two different beginnings, and the same conclusion. . rest?
Why Creation account Deuteronomy and the moving out of Israel? (Exodus ) Do moral law use parables to reason with?
Do we ignore and forfeit the spiritual understanding? ?
Proper biblical exegesis is without parables Christ spoke not. the formula for rightly dividing them is found in 1 Corinthians 4:18
No one is ignoring the plain text. Someone is ignoring the spiritual meaning hid in parable. Remember they are designed as prophecy to teach us how to walk by faith.
They are not just bedtime stories for children about whales like Pinocchio. The parable of Jonas is to be compared to the the fulfillment the garden of Gethsemane with the cross demonstration propmised in Isaiah 53 . it was the last sign and wonder. When Jesus came the wondering was taken away.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
The sign is not. . stay away from whale infested waters stay in the boat.. Don't even try walking on water.
It takes the plain text as historallly true having that value and mixing it with faith the unseen eternal to give the hidden value .
Because it does not say "here is a parable". It does not mean one is not in view.
Parables are the poetic signified tongue of God. What do you think there purpose is?
Parables reveal unseen spiritual understanding ,mysteries hid. If your not interested in searching them out how would you expect to find them?
The reference that describes a parable used as shadow in the fourth commandment was post 53.
Why do you think there are two different reasons given with two different beginnings, and the same conclusion. . rest?
Why Creation account Deuteronomy and the moving out of Israel? (Exodus ) Do moral law use parables to reason with?
Do we ignore and forfeit the spiritual understanding? ?
Proper biblical exegesis is without parables Christ spoke not. the formula for rightly dividing them is found in 1 Corinthians 4:18
No one is ignoring the plain text. Someone is ignoring the spiritual meaning hid in parable. Remember they are designed as prophecy to teach us how to walk by faith.
They are not just bedtime stories for children about whales like Pinocchio. The parable of Jonas is to be compared to the the fulfillment the garden of Gethsemane with the cross demonstration propmised in Isaiah 53 . it was the last sign and wonder. When Jesus came the wondering was taken away.
Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
The sign is not. . stay away from whale infested waters stay in the boat.. Don't even try walking on water.
It takes the plain text as historallly true having that value and mixing it with faith the unseen eternal to give the hidden value .
Because it does not say "here is a parable". It does not mean one is not in view.
Parables are the poetic signified tongue of God. What do you think there purpose is?
Are you trying to be dense?
No, they don't. The plain text of Scripture tells you that they don't, but for some reason, you can't understand what the plain text tells you.
I'm not interested in inventing esoterica.
Post #53 is after the post in which you mentioned the other commandments. You can't refer to something, then later legitimately claim you were referring to something else.
Says the guy who has never taken a class in biblical theology. I'll listen to the people who have, thanks; they don't agree with you.
Again, nothing in Scripture tells me that is "the formula for rightly dividing them".
That's not what Scripture says.
Given the wacky stuff you believe, I think it best that I stay away from the "hidden value" you promulgate.
True, but the text usually tells us where there are parables.
Parables are not necessarily poetic. In fact, very few are.
No, they don't. The plain text of Scripture tells you that they don't, but for some reason, you can't understand what the plain text tells you.
I'm not interested in inventing esoterica.
Post #53 is after the post in which you mentioned the other commandments. You can't refer to something, then later legitimately claim you were referring to something else.
Says the guy who has never taken a class in biblical theology. I'll listen to the people who have, thanks; they don't agree with you.
Again, nothing in Scripture tells me that is "the formula for rightly dividing them".
That's not what Scripture says.
Given the wacky stuff you believe, I think it best that I stay away from the "hidden value" you promulgate.
True, but the text usually tells us where there are parables.
Parables are not necessarily poetic. In fact, very few are.