So what about the fourth commandment?
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Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Deuteronomy 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
The fourth commandment that God gave to Israel through Moses.
If you wish to obey the fourth commandment, I suggest that you pay close attention to the words written in them.
I choose to put my Savior first and begin ever seven days praising, worshiping, and thanking Him for the sacrifice that he made for me. When that work week began on Monday, I began my week on Sunday. When my work week began on Friday, I began my week on Thursday. If we lived in a world where every one's work week began on the same day (Sunday), it would be possible to practice worshiping on a Saturday Sabbath. That doesn't happen in today's world. That's why God through Paul said
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:
When those of you who finish your proper celebration of the Saturday Sabbath, I would like to invite you to a Sunday celebration of the birth, death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. In any case, I will be there to greet most of you when you get to Heaven.
Deuteronomy 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
The fourth commandment that God gave to Israel through Moses.
If you wish to obey the fourth commandment, I suggest that you pay close attention to the words written in them.
I choose to put my Savior first and begin ever seven days praising, worshiping, and thanking Him for the sacrifice that he made for me. When that work week began on Monday, I began my week on Sunday. When my work week began on Friday, I began my week on Thursday. If we lived in a world where every one's work week began on the same day (Sunday), it would be possible to practice worshiping on a Saturday Sabbath. That doesn't happen in today's world. That's why God through Paul said
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:
When those of you who finish your proper celebration of the Saturday Sabbath, I would like to invite you to a Sunday celebration of the birth, death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. In any case, I will be there to greet most of you when you get to Heaven.
the NT writers all use "the lord" for God... even when quoting the OT where the tetragrammaton occurs... so that's what I do, too
Romans 14 For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall [e]give praise to God.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom+14&version=NASB
We'll miss you. We'll begin the day at 7:00 AM with a men's Prayer Breakfast (30 minutes of breakfast, followed by an hour of prayer). It will be followed by an hour of Bible Study From 1 Peter. After that we will celebrate new children (13 to 40) of God with a baptismal service. We follow with a song and worship service with a message from God's word (probably from Colossians). We will end the the ordinance of the Lord's Supper. When we leave, we are ready to begin a new work week.
If you follow us home, we'll serve you a bowl of soup and let you kick back and rest until time to go to work Monday morning.
I have no problem with anyone celebrating the Sabbath along with the Jews. I do believe, however, that when it observed as the Sabbath, it must be observed in accordance with the Torah. If you wish to observe worship the risen Savior on Saturday, you may do it in any way that you feel glorifies our Lord Jesus Christ. Either way you choose to do so (as long as it is centered around Christ), you will always have our blessings.
If you follow us home, we'll serve you a bowl of soup and let you kick back and rest until time to go to work Monday morning.
I have no problem with anyone celebrating the Sabbath along with the Jews. I do believe, however, that when it observed as the Sabbath, it must be observed in accordance with the Torah. If you wish to observe worship the risen Savior on Saturday, you may do it in any way that you feel glorifies our Lord Jesus Christ. Either way you choose to do so (as long as it is centered around Christ), you will always have our blessings.
1 Corinthians 9:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; [SUP]21 [/SUP]to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
Even Paul taught he was not under the Law. We are under the Law of Christ. Not the Law of the Old Testament.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; [SUP]21 [/SUP]to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
Even Paul taught he was not under the Law. We are under the Law of Christ. Not the Law of the Old Testament.
There were more than one law in the OT and not all were 'abolished on the cross ! hence we are no longer under the law which was abolished Eph 2v15
The 'ordinances given through Moses formed a very large law - but did not include the 'spiritual law/commandments which GOD gave PERSONALLY Ex 20v1, Deut 5 (v22). What is spiritual is eternal, holy, just and good Rom 7.
The 'ordinances given through Moses formed a very large law - but did not include the 'spiritual law/commandments which GOD gave PERSONALLY Ex 20v1, Deut 5 (v22). What is spiritual is eternal, holy, just and good Rom 7.
Names speak of many invisible authorities. God has many names that do speak of his immutable authority. Not just Jehovah .
God does not have a name in the sense of distinguishing Him as God from false gods. That is something human started doing some where down the line. God attaches meaning to the word used in scripture .Now day s you can make up your own.Name it after a sound or anything.
There would be no need to with God . All of the names are immutable attributes of His Holy Spirit .They speak of His authority or invisible quality, as His manifold witness to His glory.
God appears as Lord (Jehovah) to Abram . This was before the Jewish nation was formed, it was later recognized by the word “Abraham” as an oath of God . Abraham the new name God gave to Abram means : the “Father of many nations” having that name as a type to represent our Father in heavens, the one God of all nations of people..
Some Jews sought after the spirit as if it was after the flesh just as today .
Christ in the new testament when confronted with the judaizers that would glory in their flesh. Jesus used one of the “think not" talks. In other word don't even give it a thought doctrines
Seeing they were having Abraham as “to our” Father in heaven as if the earthly Abraham was the same as our heavenly Father . They had that kind of faith in the fathers (men), having it in the spirit of the oral traditions of the fathers, called the law of the fathers.
Christ called them a generation of vipers which I believe means false prophets This is shown by using their oral traditions of the fathers as equal with the word of God.
Christ, the Lord in a sense told them I believe to focus on the spirit, not according to the flesh But rather as the same spirit of faith according as it is written and not the outward flesh of a Jew. Those stones that Christ said he would rather build his church on in that portion seem to be in respect to those be baptized of John in Jordan, the subject matter, they could of represented by the description of the lively stones that do make up the spiritual house of God, as His bride the church.
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:And think not to say within "yourselves", We have Abraham “to our father”: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Mat 3:7
They were insisting we need men to teach us by making void the promises of Christ that he the anointing Holy Spirit of God would come and teach an comfort His children by a work of faith .
Getting back to the use of the word name and how I think it is used .
He spoke to Abram, and as the Lord (Jehovah) who has no form and declared He the Lord was “the almighty God “(El Shaddai,) .This means; “the Lord (Jehovah) is mighty”. It speaks of the almighty power of the Lord (Jehovah).
Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, “I am” the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Using I Am to indicate the voice of Jehovah(Lord) from heaven He says; be complete/perfect by walking according to His understanding and not lean on his own strength .
There he uses his unseen power as Lord to give Abram the faith by which he could believe God and therefore a living hope in His power of El Shaddai, the Almighty God needed to perform what it declared earlier in Chapter 15..below
Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not their's, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
When that four hundred years were over the LORD appeared as promised to Abraham in respect to the promised seed, meaning Christ the spiritual seed. Galatians below helps us to understand I believe...the purpose of the one seed
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
The angel as the messenger, who brings the word of God called the incorruptible seed by which all men are born from above came to Moses.
Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
He then reveals the workings of the spiritual seed Christ as shown in Galatians and again not seeds as if after the flesh of Abraham.
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. Exo 3:6
The rest of that list after Isaac and Jacob shows the passing down of the spiritual seed of Christ .It is found in the genealogy of Luke 3 it goes back to Adam , Abraham is a few from the end.
And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Exo 6:2
There again he uses I Am to represent the unseen Lord . and this time mightily to call out a whole nation regardless whether they had the spiritual seed seed of Christ to show themselves as a new creature or not . This knowing if any man have not the Spirit of Christ old testament or new than neither do they belong to Him or could they.
This I believe shows us the Lord Jesus had not only become our strength by which we can hear Him as his word quicken our souls giving us his understanding but also the strength of our salvation. Knowing if he has begun the good work of salvation in us as he did with Abraham he will finish it to the end.
Note ... (parenthesizes in purple) my addition to try and make a point.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength (El Shaddai ) and my song; he also is become my salvation. (Jesus)
Therefore any other kind of authority can be applies to both Jesus or Jehovah
One Lord ,one Spirit one faith of Christ.
God does not have a name in the sense of distinguishing Him as God from false gods. That is something human started doing some where down the line. God attaches meaning to the word used in scripture .Now day s you can make up your own.Name it after a sound or anything.
There would be no need to with God . All of the names are immutable attributes of His Holy Spirit .They speak of His authority or invisible quality, as His manifold witness to His glory.
God appears as Lord (Jehovah) to Abram . This was before the Jewish nation was formed, it was later recognized by the word “Abraham” as an oath of God . Abraham the new name God gave to Abram means : the “Father of many nations” having that name as a type to represent our Father in heavens, the one God of all nations of people..
Some Jews sought after the spirit as if it was after the flesh just as today .
Christ in the new testament when confronted with the judaizers that would glory in their flesh. Jesus used one of the “think not" talks. In other word don't even give it a thought doctrines
Seeing they were having Abraham as “to our” Father in heaven as if the earthly Abraham was the same as our heavenly Father . They had that kind of faith in the fathers (men), having it in the spirit of the oral traditions of the fathers, called the law of the fathers.
Christ called them a generation of vipers which I believe means false prophets This is shown by using their oral traditions of the fathers as equal with the word of God.
Christ, the Lord in a sense told them I believe to focus on the spirit, not according to the flesh But rather as the same spirit of faith according as it is written and not the outward flesh of a Jew. Those stones that Christ said he would rather build his church on in that portion seem to be in respect to those be baptized of John in Jordan, the subject matter, they could of represented by the description of the lively stones that do make up the spiritual house of God, as His bride the church.
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:And think not to say within "yourselves", We have Abraham “to our father”: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Mat 3:7
They were insisting we need men to teach us by making void the promises of Christ that he the anointing Holy Spirit of God would come and teach an comfort His children by a work of faith .
Getting back to the use of the word name and how I think it is used .
He spoke to Abram, and as the Lord (Jehovah) who has no form and declared He the Lord was “the almighty God “(El Shaddai,) .This means; “the Lord (Jehovah) is mighty”. It speaks of the almighty power of the Lord (Jehovah).
Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, “I am” the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Using I Am to indicate the voice of Jehovah(Lord) from heaven He says; be complete/perfect by walking according to His understanding and not lean on his own strength .
There he uses his unseen power as Lord to give Abram the faith by which he could believe God and therefore a living hope in His power of El Shaddai, the Almighty God needed to perform what it declared earlier in Chapter 15..below
Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not their's, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
When that four hundred years were over the LORD appeared as promised to Abraham in respect to the promised seed, meaning Christ the spiritual seed. Galatians below helps us to understand I believe...the purpose of the one seed
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
The angel as the messenger, who brings the word of God called the incorruptible seed by which all men are born from above came to Moses.
Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
He then reveals the workings of the spiritual seed Christ as shown in Galatians and again not seeds as if after the flesh of Abraham.
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. Exo 3:6
The rest of that list after Isaac and Jacob shows the passing down of the spiritual seed of Christ .It is found in the genealogy of Luke 3 it goes back to Adam , Abraham is a few from the end.
And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Exo 6:2
There again he uses I Am to represent the unseen Lord . and this time mightily to call out a whole nation regardless whether they had the spiritual seed seed of Christ to show themselves as a new creature or not . This knowing if any man have not the Spirit of Christ old testament or new than neither do they belong to Him or could they.
This I believe shows us the Lord Jesus had not only become our strength by which we can hear Him as his word quicken our souls giving us his understanding but also the strength of our salvation. Knowing if he has begun the good work of salvation in us as he did with Abraham he will finish it to the end.
Note ... (parenthesizes in purple) my addition to try and make a point.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength (El Shaddai ) and my song; he also is become my salvation. (Jesus)
Therefore any other kind of authority can be applies to both Jesus or Jehovah
One Lord ,one Spirit one faith of Christ.
like this.
Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
(Romans 14:1-5)
in Christ we are dead with regard to the Law that was given with the old covenant. it has nothing to hold over us whatsoever. we are already sanctified and justified, apart from it, by the Lord. there is no more '4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment' in Christ, because those commandments only applied to us while we lived. but in Him, we have died, so that with Him, we may live, and serve in the spirit, no longer by flesh. (Romans 14:1-5)
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ok, you go with that false belief. That particular passage is about food, particularly if certain days were better for fasting.
If you think Paul over-turned the 4th commandment because you have 1 side of a 2000 year old conversation, go ahead with that.
I will stick with the commandment.
Read Isaiah 66, and then prepare to explain to God that His Sabbath is no more.
haha you're the same one that thinks we're supposed to observe clean and unclean foods, so that doesn't really fly.
no -- Paul is saying here that we should receive brothers and sisters whose faith is weak, but not for the purpose of arguing with them about the things that are not pertaining to the gospel, but are about men's reasoning and opinion. about 'grey areas' and arguments about law. and he gives two examples, that were relevant to the particular audience: questions about food, and questions about observing special days.
why? because the righteousness that we have in Christ is not established by keeping laws and by observing special days and weeks: it is by spirit that we walk, not by written code. Paul is addressing people who came out of Judaism and people who came out of paganism, Jews and Gentiles alike, a mix of peoples who had previously sought to establish goodness by what they did and did not do: he expresses that we should all keep unity in the faith, but not to judge one another over these matters of conscious, and particularly points out that it is the one with the weaker faith that believes his freedom is smaller in Christ ((i.e. observes a special day, or eats only vegetables)).
we know that you, mike, are weak in this regard, if you have faith at all: because it is no secret that you preach the old covenant and reject the gospel of the freedom that is in Christ. but this freedom is present because we have died to the law -- formerly, it would not be a "doubtful disputation" to regard one food as clean and another as unclean, or one day set aside for a particular rite and the proper sacrifice to bring and the method of honoring it on that particular day. because there was a written commandment: but this Christ has nailed to His cross, and we, with Him, are crucified to it and no more burdened by its curse; He has taken the curse upon Himself and made us sons and daughters, serving by spirit, accepted through grace in love. the true law is written on our hearts, and this doesn't mean 'torah' is engraved within us: but the fear of the Lord and the knowledge of righteousness apart from law.
no -- this is not "merely about food and fasting"
if you think so, you have completely disregarded the whole epistle. this is part of an whole, and that whole is the systematic proclamation of the gospel of Christ crucified and risen.
i know you reject it.
i know you don't even read my posts, really. you see who wrote them and the veil pulls down over your heart.
w/e. when He opens your eyes, you'll see this too.
who has said that?
the gospel we proclaim in your hearing is that the true Sabbath is come, and He has pitched His tent, and He has made His home in the hearts of those who put their trust in Him.
but you think His rest is a mere ritual?
a modification of behaviour?
may the veil be removed, that you also may enter His rest.
the gospel we proclaim in your hearing is that the true Sabbath is come, and He has pitched His tent, and He has made His home in the hearts of those who put their trust in Him.
but you think His rest is a mere ritual?
a modification of behaviour?
may the veil be removed, that you also may enter His rest.