some things from paul that many omit

PeterJens · Mar 1, 2017

Jesus is so wonderful because he is our atoning sacrifice on the cross for the forgiveness
of sins, so we can be counted as righteous and walk righteously.

I glory in this victory that He should call us and me worthy to be called a child of the King,
a son of God, destined for heaven.

Doing what is right and knowing how to love. Is this so hard?

I get the impression from some righteousness is just a dream and they are so lost and
condemned the prison doors can never be flung open and a child of God walk out, but
only a lost sinner who is bound in sin. Such a ungodly aspiration for the King of creation
to not see the fruit of love and joy burst into life.

When I first came to Jesus, I realised His glorious salvation, I could not stop talking about
it. Now 40 years later I still am going on, what a Lord He is.

garee · Mar 1, 2017

Its actually a free gift . We have Christ's righteousness according to his work of faith .No man will be found with a righteousness of himself.Don't dream just believe as Christ gives you the faith to make it possible . If He has begun the good work he will finish it to the end.

garee · Mar 1, 2017

Yes according to the faith of Christ ,the faith of God. If he began the good work in Abraham he will finish it.He is our confidence.

God who worked in Abraham to both will and do His good pleasure was a imputed righteousness. The work of faith must be attributed to the right person . If we were to have the faith of Christ in respect to Abraham and not Christ we would be committing blasphemy (attributing the work of one to another). It’s how James 2 begins.Have not the faith of Christ as His labor of love in respect to Abraham

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Jam 2:20-21

Justified by whose work?

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Jam 2:22

Looking at the verse above with the proper person of faith...See how Christ’s faith worked with Christ’s works and by that work Christ’s faith was his faith made perfect.

It was imputed to Abraham unto a righteousness not of his own self lest Abraham boast in vain. It the result of God working in us according to His faith, to both will , (instruct)” and have the faith not of our own self, to do the work. Therefore making the work perfect/complete by the faith of Christ.

Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

willybob · Mar 1, 2017

also a further note: David's grievous sins were not sins of chastisement teaching corrections, that kind of sin requires a season of godly sorrow in a bitter repentance...You can search the scriptures and not find many maybe two or three times where someone was truly saved and following God and fell into grievous vile sins of the flesh and recovered. Its virtually impossible as Hebrews 6 & 10 declares..However still possible as long as one is still breathing....Don't take the vile sins of the flesh lightly and think you can easily recover, they require a deep bitter repentance to remove the guile and come clean with God..Things like the sinners prayer ain't gonna do it..

willybob · Mar 1, 2017

Abraham believed/obeyed God and did the works of righteousness and his faithfulness towards God reckoned him as righteous...He was the only person that wasn't worshiping false Gods when God called him out in Gen. 12, even his father Terah was serving other gods....God searches for those that seek Him, like in the case of Noah..According to the scriptures, Noah had many brothers and sisters in his own immediate family that perished in the flood...

Grace777x70 · Mar 1, 2017

It is sin that causes the Holy Spirit to grieve because of how we treat others in the body of Christ is sin just like adultery and murder is.

For example by calling other members in the body of Christ names and insulting them and not giving grace to help people. We need to be speaking words of "grace" in our speech as well as in our deeds towards others.

What grieves God is not giving out words of grace to people.

Ephesians 4:29-30 (NASB)

Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

garee · Mar 1, 2017

Yes it means Daniel like any sinner needed a savior seeing no man will or can be found with a righteousness of their own selves. It would seem you might be confused as to what sin is ? (falling short of the glory of God

Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Ezekiel is saying no such thing. None of them were self righteous.

Daniel stands on the same fallow ground of any sinner. He would never call God a liar by saying he has not sinned.

1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Ezekiel is simply stating that the righteousness of Christ that he applies to men.cannot come from these men and transferred to another

Eze 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness

Job surely did not hold to the idea that he could be found with a righteousness of his own self.

I am afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent.If I be wicked, why then labor I in vain? If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean;Yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch, and mine own clothes shall abhor me.For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. ob 9:28

PeterJens · Mar 1, 2017

19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body,
21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,
22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds,
25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Heb 10:19-25

Amen.

Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts.
James 4:8

The peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Phil 4:7

willybob · Mar 1, 2017

garee said:

You sir are biblically illiterate making an attempt to lump all sins together..Jobs sins were of chastisement, and unlearned knowledge, not the vile sins of the flesh, Job WAS NOT, I REPEAT WAS NOT, an adulterer, murderer,thief, pedophile, blasphemer, railer, extortionist , one of profane language, fornicater, idol worship, gossiper, busybody taddle tale, bearer of false witness against his neighbour, etc....He was righteous and morally upright before God DOING that which is good and eschewing evil...Please study the word "sinner" using only the KJV as a dictionary, it does not lump all sins together, "sinner" it means the vile sins of the flesh...People want to believe that all sin is the same so they can keep on committing the vile sins of the flesh and have their consciences soothed over..Job obeyed God and he was accounted righteous . Faith is accounted for righteousness in the text, (the definition of faith is steadfast faithfulness to God from a pure heart and confidence that He will preform what He said He would" Faith is NEVER transferred in the text, it is something that you do, and God's grace energizes that faith and give you the strength to do it, Philip. 2-12,13....Jesus is not accounted as our righteousness, only faith is accounted as righteousness in the text..HOWEVER, Jesus is our righteous example to live by..To be engaged in the vile sins and claim the name of Jesus is just heaping more wrath upon oneself on the day of wrath....

"It says if we say we have not sinned", they said no sin in verse 8, although both verse use the same Greek word..Yes most men have a sinful past I agree, and all men/women have sins of ignorance, 1 John 1-6 says 6 If we say that we have fellowship (are saved) with Him, and walk in darkness, (vile sin) we lie, and do not the truth: Nobody ever quotes this verse for some reason

In John's epistles he separates sins of ignorance, mistakes, and lack of knowledge, from the vile sins of the flesh, of which he said you don't even pray for those people, but rather pray for their repentance, because that's the only thing that will help them...

willybob · Mar 1, 2017

The righteous and the wicked are separated in the very BEGINNING of the bible...Cain= Sinner, Able=righteous, many want to just lump both of them together I quess...God said Abel's works were righteous, but they say nobody can be righteous..So, according to there twisted thinking the assumed conclusion must be that Abel and Cain had the same virtues, because no one can be righteous.. They cant see that the righteous are contrasted against the wicked on almost every page of the bible...No they just number themselves among the wicked, that OK I guess, but numbering Daniel among the wicked/sinner? how far removed from the truth can one get?

samuel23 · Mar 1, 2017

A debt paid for cannot be forgiven?? A debt paid for IS a debt forgiven. Forgiveness=to grant relief from payment.

followjesus · Mar 1, 2017

willybob said:

it ois because of the false teacher they follow friend. let me show you a perfect example of what im saying please consider this

this is a direct quote from joseph prince

"His grace is cheapened when you think that He has only forgiven you of your sins up to the time you got saved, and after that point, you have to depend on your confession of sins to be forgiven. God's forgiveness is not given in installments."

and this is the scripture He uses to support this

1 john 2:1-2 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

he will then explain His grace theory. sounds great right? sounds like an amazing revelation. But this is actually these two verses in context

1 john 1:9- 2:6 " IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just TO FORGIVE US our sins, and to CLEANSE US from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

And HEREBY WE DO KNOW that we know him, IF WE KEEP his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso KEEPETH HIS WORD, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

He directly omits all that is around those 2 verses, because they all make clear that His teaching is a fraud. He will explain why none of the opther verses are for christians, why keeping Gods commandments or not, wont change a thing. Yet the apostle John who walked and talked and was actually chosen By Jesus makes things crystal clear. But if jp doesnt omit the rest, then His fortune was made on a lie that sounds good. Every one of His teachings is like this. and because faith is in Him rather than Jesus, look at the beliefs it creates, and what it actually does to a persons mind, turning it opposite the Word of God, which he is claiming to teach them. Unless we are to believe that He somehow Knows more than the real apostles, at some point we have to accept that the world is full of men trying to get rich off of distorting Gods word into something it isnt. He is charismatic ill give Him that, but it doesnt change the fact that He is a fal;se teacher and His doctrine blinds people to the truth.

This is why you can show His followers vast amounts of scripture plainly revealing His herecy, but it doesnt have an effect. there is no valid reason why we should only believe two scriptures that seem to support His "grace revolution" but He convinces them by explaining why the opthers just simply arent meant for them. all false teachers wuote scripture, but they all have to omit the context. because they are decieving people who believe the bible, so when He shopws a person a scripture that seems like it supports his gospel, it convinces them after he goes on and on explaining a bunch of complex reasons why you have to look through his lens to really get it.

Ive been saying for a long while how dangerous a false doctrine is to a believer, and it is obvious to those who understand the Word of God. it is the reason we are warned so very much to guard against false teachers. He will preach wealth, yet will never quote things like this regarding wealth

1 timothy 6:6-10"But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

or the many other things like it. everything the Guy teaches is wrong to be honest with you. People need the Bible and to get away from authors explaining the latest version of a gospel that is not according to truth.

followjesus · Mar 1, 2017

willybob said:

David repented Just like we are called to do and Just as the word is clear about...God is faithful to forgive us when we confess and repent. when a person robs your house while you are on vacation and then they are caught. You have extraordinary Grace for them so you say drop the charges, i forgive them completely, hold nothing against them. i erase what they have done. and then you say dont rob my house again though, its not right to do so. when you go out of town again, they come back and rob your house again.

because you forgave them for the first robbery, are they now guilty of robbing your house? of course they are. How do we then feel if they deny having done it or come with the logic " well you already forgave me because you were gracious so you have no right to prosecute me now? But thats the logic of once forgiven of what you have done, always forgiven for what you choose to do in the future. even with all the word says of repentance of sin. and no need for confession either because well, your already perfect in Gods eyes no matter how you choose to live. with all the many warnoings about repenting of unrighteousness and living upright and godly lives here and now. its a matter of faith and who faith is in.

followjesus · Mar 2, 2017

garee said:

Luke 1:5-6 "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."

Genesis 6:8-22 "But Noah found GRACE in the eyes of the LORD....v13"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14Make thee an ark of gopher wood;...Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he."

David repented, confessed and then obeyed Gods commandments. daniel obeyed God to the point of being thrown in with hungry Lions, and God delivered Him. shadrach meshach and abednigo, were thrown into a blazing furnace for refusing to transgress against God and worship a false god. paul says He was "faultless" in regards to the Law. grace doesnt mean we dont obey God, it means we now have no excuse to NOT obey God because we have recieved the Holy spirit and are no longer bound to sin.

romans 615-19 ":What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness."

obedience to God will always be a truth Jesus did not come to change that, he came to enable the lost sinners who were enslaved by sin, to be free in order to obey righteousness unto eternal Life. righteous is as righteous does, sin is as sin does.

1 john 3:7-10 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

simple from the very beginning " do what is right and you will Live, do it not and sin lead to destruction" No excuse remaoins anymore, we are empowered with the holy spirit, the holy spirit will never lead anywhere but to obeying the Lord. no matter the explainations of why nothing applies, it does.

willybob · Mar 2, 2017

samuel23 said:

study the parable of the kings debtor, no debt was paid, everything was forgiven, Jesus purchased our souls at Calvary that justified God's mercy (no sin debt was paid, no Thomas Aquinas satisfactory atonement took place), but rather a purchase of our souls through reconciliation of the blood to free us from the corrupting influence of sin...Mercy triumphs over judgement to all those that repent, Exodus 34...The sin of mankind has been so sever that it could not possibly be paid for, for the wages of sin is death..The only antidote to the sin debt was mercy and forgiveness...God has probably suffered more than all of mankind yet He still sent His Son on our behalf that we yet still sinners might repent and be reconciled back to His favour for an everlasting relationship...Its called Covenant Theology..If you do this, (repent and be faithful), then I will do that which I promised, (restore our names in the book of life).....

willybob · Mar 2, 2017

followjesus said:

I absolutely agree here in general...But the issue with David is a bigger story, he was a true follower of God, tasted of the good things of the Spirit, like Hebrew 6 & 10 speak of. He knew God, then fell into grievous sin, the dangers for a Christian to fall into grievous vile sin is SEVER.Even much more sever than one never knowing God, (parable of the wondering spirit).. Christians must guard their hearts against the vile sins of the flesh because a recovery in the scriptures from such evil things is extremely rare, maybe only 2 or 3 cases....Sin hardens the heart to where it can no longer repent, and if so, it is going to be a sever bitter repentance in a season of godly sorrow in sat cloth and ashes.....David still suffered the horrible consequences for his sin in the remaining 20 years of his life even though God granted him mercy and forgiveness.....peace be with you

Zmouth · Mar 2, 2017

followjesus said:

Since men began multiply from the beginning and the LORD said then the 120 years til the flood wouldn't hold water so to speak considering the fact that Noah was 500 years old and had begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth as written in Genesis 5:32

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6

So if Noah son's and son's wives were with Noah at the time God said he would bring a flood of waters upon the earth then if the days of man were a 120 years then Noah would have long been deceased.

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Genesis 6

Gen 6:17-1817 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

And Noah was was 500 when he found grace in the eyes of the LORD then he would have been older than 600 years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth

1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
Genesis 7:1-6

willybob · Mar 2, 2017

God is longsuffering and desires that none should perish, He gave them 120 years to repent. Noah a preacher of righteousness was not very effective in his day, for he converted none, notwithstanding he was still a preacher of righteousness and was empowered by God's grace.....all of his immediate brothers and sisters perished in the flood...His father Lemach, a godly man died 4 years before Noah, and his grandfather Methuselah, also a godly man, died the same year as the flood..Probably too old to make the journey on the Ark, JMO....When Methuselah, 960 years old, had died the flood began that same year. Gods' patience was exhausted because of the WICKEDNESS OF MAN WAS GREAT IN THE EARTH ('IE" SINNERS) Noah and His family were the righteous and contrasted against the wicked...This spiritual contrast is found on almost every page of the bible..

willybob · Mar 2, 2017

"and Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord" The influencing empowerment of the Spirit upon the soul to live godly/righteously in this world....Titus 2:11-14

eternally-gratefull · Mar 2, 2017

willybob said:

Titus 2: 11-14
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, [SUP]12 [/SUP]teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

It does not look anything like what you just posted.

It says grace teaches us that we should/ Not that it makes us do anything.

It says he (God) redeemed us from our lawless deeds. so we could be his own special people.

It does not mention the HS at all.

this is twice now you have been caught adding to the word of God. Shame shame.

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