The Drinking of Blood

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zone

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lol zone, I, my friend, am not playing the blame game. Quite frankly i really couldn't care less who started the symbolism thing because thats not what I believe. And, to tell you the truth, I really don't think about the symbolism thing very much, because again, Its not what I believe. ;)God bless!
Hey what's that picture mean anyway? what was the significance?
heya 7 - i agree!
dat's Luther (a movie Luther:))
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Brother, not all of us have the calling to feed the homeless. Some of us are called to just show the Lord's love through our faith and actions. The face that all these people have so much faith and love for God is beautiful. Which one is God most pleased with? If you have children, do you love one more than the other? Thats really a question that God only can answer, and one that really doesn't concern us. But i can really sense and appreciate your concern in all this bro, and i SINCERELY PRAY that the Holy Spirit guides you to the answer you need. God bless you for you sincerety.
I didn't think you'd answer the question
 
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7seven7

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A great sermon! Message begins at: 08:19

[video=youtube_share;WQ4ga7c3sd0]http://youtu.be/WQ4ga7c3sd0[/video]
I'll watch this tomorrow, really. It sounds interesting. I need to sleep right now though cz i have to get up in 5 hours lol. Peace! And thanx
 

Katy-follower

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I'll watch this tomorrow, really. It sounds interesting. I need to sleep right now though cz i have to get up in 5 hours lol. Peace! And thanx
Yes, get some sleep!

G'night 7 :)
 
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7seven7

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I didn't think you'd answer the question
Mark of course i won't answer that question. Trying to answer that question would be implying that I know God's thoughts and preferences, and nobody on earth is in a place to claim that knowledge. You really want me to tell you who I think is closer to God and who I think He is most pleased with? How can such a question be answered? Go and ask one of your judgemental friends buddy lol
 
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Mark of course i won't answer that question. Trying to answer that question would be implying that I know God's thoughts and preferences, and nobody on earth is in a place to claim that knowledge. You really want me to tell you who I think is closer to God and who I think He is most pleased with? How can such a question be answered? Go and ask one of your judgemental friends buddy lol
I don't have judgemental friends. I have never told anyone who professes to be a Christian they are not one. In my experiance it is mainly the head theologists on the internet who revel in doing that.


But some(and I don't mean you) believe as long as they go to church once a week and partake of rite/ritual and ceremony they are fine with God. I guess that would mean the Pharisees passed the test with flying colours.
 
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I don't have judgemental friends. I have never told anyone who professes to be a Christian they are not one. In my experiance it is mainly the head theologists on the internet who revel in doing that.


But some(and I don't mean you) believe as long as they go to church once a week and partake of rite/ritual and ceremony they are fine with God. I guess that would mean the Pharisees passed the test with flying colours.
Yeh look, i agree with you to a certain extent, but again, its not the kind of thing i really want to speculate on. For all we know, God might prefer some people to just have that kind of relationship with Him. At the risk of opening up another can of worms, it makes me think about hermits........ these guys spend their WHOLE LIFE seperated from the world to spend every second of their lives in prayer with our Lord! Who are we to say if that is wrong or right? (not implying you btw). But i think to myself, is there really anything wrong with how SOME people just choose to live a private life with our Lord, like hermits or your friend?
 
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Yeh look, i agree with you to a certain extent, but again, its not the kind of thing i really want to speculate on. For all we know, God might prefer some people to just have that kind of relationship with Him. At the risk of opening up another can of worms, it makes me think about hermits........ these guys spend their WHOLE LIFE seperated from the world to spend every second of their lives in prayer with our Lord! Who are we to say if that is wrong or right? (not implying you btw). But i think to myself, is there really anything wrong with how SOME people just choose to live a private life with our Lord, like hermits or your friend?
Do we agree that rite, ritual and ceremony, and attending church meetings will in itself save no one, for if they did the Pharises who were responsible for Christ's death on the cross will inherit eternal life
Biut Christ said they did not even know his Father
 
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7seven7

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Do we agree that rite, ritual and ceremony, and attending church meetings will in itself save no one, for if they did the Pharises who were responsible for Christ's death on the cross will inherit eternal life
Biut Christ said they did not even know his Father
hahahaha how can you compare their ceremonies with those of the Catholic's? I cant make any sense of what you just said I'm sorry. You've combined two TOTALLY different points to make a completely useless point. Sorry for sounding rude but thats as plain as i could put it for u. i will reply to your next comment tomorrow brother. Its almost midnight here AGAIN!!! FAR OUT!! God bless
 
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hahahaha how can you compare their ceremonies with those of the Catholic's? I cant make any sense of what you just said I'm sorry. You've combined two TOTALLY different points to make a completely useless point. Sorry for sounding rude but thats as plain as i could put it for u. i will reply to your next comment tomorrow brother. Its almost midnight here AGAIN!!! FAR OUT!! God bless
Don't worry as to how you respond to me, I hope i am thick skinned!

The true dividing line in Christianity is not according to denomination, but the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is in people in all denominations, and there are people in all denominations I am sure He is not in.
What matters to God is that a person worships Him in Spirit and truth, is their worship real, or are they just going through a series of motions, believing if they do they will be fine
IE
Go to church once a week and partake of whatever, rites rituals and ceremonies their particular church believes in. That won't save anyone, whether they be catholic or Protestant

There was a group of people who lived a long time ago, they knew the then literal words of scripture inside out, they attended all of the church/synagogue meetings and went through studiously all of the rite, rutual and ceremony that was required, they tithed down to their last mint dill and cumin, and did good deeds(albiet publically) they wore the finest of clothes, and would have invited like minded people home for a meal. And they were very intelligent people academically. They would not have got drunk, used foul language, had affairs, or smoked I am sure if smoking had of then been invented. They even laid flower on the graves of the prophets murdered by their forefathers and said:
'We would never have acte like they did'

But it was not enough, Jesus said these people did not even know his Father, and they were responsible for him being crucified.
 
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lesjude

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Don't worry as to how you respond to me, I hope i am thick skinned!

The true dividing line in Christianity is not according to denomination, but the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is in people in all denominations, and there are people in all denominations I am sure He is not in.
What matters to God is that a person worships Him in Spirit and truth, is their worship real, or are they just going through a series of motions, believing if they do they will be fine
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Go to church once a week and partake of whatever, rites rituals and ceremonies their particular church believes in. That won't save anyone, whether they be catholic or Protestant

There was a group of people who lived a long time ago, they knew the then literal words of scripture inside out, they attended all of the church/synagogue meetings and went through studiously all of the rite, rutual and ceremony that was required, they tithed down to their last mint dill and cumin, and did good deeds(albiet publically) they wore the finest of clothes, and would have invited like minded people home for a meal. And they were very intelligent people academically. They would not have got drunk, used foul language, had affairs, or smoked I am sure if smoking had of then been invented. They even laid flower on the graves of the prophets murdered by their forefathers and said:
'We would never have acte like they did'

But it was not enough, Jesus said these people did not even know his Father, and they were responsible for him being crucified.
Nothing has changed. They still kill the life of Christ in anyone they can.
 
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lesjude

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Now give us YOUR interpretation of this.
My opinion matters not. What does the Bible say? No person by a free will choice will ever choose the foolishness of Christianity which the Bible clearly says: 1 Corinthians 1:23-24, John 3:19-21, John 6:37 and 65. However that there is one God is revealed in His creation as Acts 14:17 and Romans chapters 1 and 2 say. This is all that God requires to judge them.

IF anyone is elect by God's predestined choice he will hear the gospel and receive Jesus. It may even be by a dream, vision, or other supernatural means.

Many believe that God looked down eternity and chose the ones that would make a freewill choice to receive salvation. This cannot be true because it would mean that salvation is not by grace and man can do something on his own to receive it. According to the scripture salvation is by grace through faith. It has to be understood that if God had not predestined a FEW to be saved NONE would ever be. Clearly the Bible teaches that humanity would never "freely" choose the foolishness of Christianity.

God does not love sinners in the sense that there is anything about them or their lives to love. They disgust Him. In fact He drowned ALL of them at one point. God's very nature is love so he gave them 120 years of Noah preaching and building an ark for them to repent or even build their own ark.

Christianity today has a false message in that they tell the sinner God loves them and sent Jesus to die for them. This gives them the false impression that there is something about them that God does not hate and condemn. The truth is God's nature is love so He sent Jesus to make it possible for sinners to be made righteous and be loved by God. There is a BIG difference. Sin and sinners disgust God.
 
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7seven7

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A great sermon! Message begins at: 08:19

[video=youtube_share;WQ4ga7c3sd0]http://youtu.be/WQ4ga7c3sd0[/video]
I can appreciate this guys point of view. But just because one person converted from Catholicism to Protestantism doesn't mean he's right. Millions are converting the other way around too. Does that necessarily mean the Catholics are right? Here's a good point that i have found in relation to the Eucharist anyway. Its a long one lol

The sacrament of the Blessed Eucharist is the Blood, Body, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ under the appearances, or accidents, of bread and wine. Unlike the other sacraments, it not only bestows grace but contains the Author of Grace Himself. So by giving us Hid Body and Blood to drink, Christ has left us the legacy of His very self: "He has gained renown by his wonderful deeds; the Lord is gracious and merciful. He provides food for those who fear him" (Ps. 111 [110]:4-5)

Christ fullfilled His promise to give us His Flesh and Blood at the Last Supper:
"Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And He took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them saying, Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins" (St. Matt. 26:26; St Mark 14:22 ; St. Luke 22:19; 1Cor. 10:4-21)

The Church calls this mysterious change of bread and wine into Christ's Body and Blood Transubstantiation (Lateran IV, 1215). The substances of the bread and wine are changed respectively into substances of Christ's Body and Blood, while the accidents (i.e., color,shape,taste,etc) of the re remain unchanged.

In St. John's gospel chapter 6 we find the great discourse of our Lord concerning the future promise of the Eucharist. For our purposes it is best to outline the principal verses in full:

35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; 39 and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me. 46 Not that any one has seen the Father except him who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread[a] which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.” 59 This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Caper′na-um.

The Words of Eternal Life

60 Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at it, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before?[c] 63 It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you that do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that should betray him. 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

66 After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. 67 Jesus said to the twelve, “Will you also go away?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was to betray him.

Our Lord used words either figuratively or literally. The issue surrounding verses 35-71 is how to determine what meaning He intended to give.
Our Lord gives us two basic rules to resolve this dilemma.

RULE NUMBER ONE: When our Lord spoke figuratively but was taken literally, He usually corrected the mistake of His listeners immediately.

Example (a): "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the pharisees and sadducees" (St Matt. 16:5)
The Apostles took these words literally and bagan to argue among themselves about the fact that they had no bread. Then our Lord said, "How is it that you did not percieve that I did not speak about bread....Then they understood that He did not tell them to be aware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the pharisees and sadducees" (vv. 11-12)

Example (b): "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awake him out of his sleep" (St. John 11:11)
The Apostles again took our Lord literally and said, "Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover" (v.12). Immediately came the correction, "Lazarus is dead" (v. 14)

Example (c): "...unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (St. John 3:3).
Nicodemus automatically took these words literally and replied, " How can a man be born when He is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" (3:4). Our Lord's answer immediately dispelled Nicodemus' error, showing that he meant a spiritual, not physical, rebirth: " Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God" (3:5).

RULE NUMBER TWO: When our Lord spoke literally, and those who heard Him understood Him correctly but refused to accept what He said, He reasserted the literal meaning again more forcibly.

Example (a): "Take heart my son; your sins are forgiven" (St. Matt. 9:2)

The scribes at hearing these words were greatly disturbed and said among themselves, "This man is blaspheming" (9:3). However, Christ did not try to water water down or explain away His words but reasserted His claim to forgive sins by miraculously healing the paralytic before all.

Example (b): "Your father Abraham rejoiced that He was to see my day" (St. John 8:56).

The jews correctly understood our Lord literally but rejected Him asserting, " You are not yet 50 years old, and have you seen Abraham?" (8:57). Our Lord's solemn reply, which brought forth the immediate wrath of the Jews and the risk of being stoned to death, was, " Truly, truly I say to you, eham was, I am" (8, 58-59).

Keeping in mind these two rules, let us examine our Lord's discourse in St. John 6.

Our Lord proclaims "I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from Heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from Heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever, and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh" (vv. 48-51). The Jews present understood Christ literally but could not accept what He said: "the jews then disputed among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" (V. 52). But Christ reinforced His literal meaning saying, " Truly, Truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the saon of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him" (vv. 53-56).

Not satisfied with this, Our Lord went further and solemnly invoked His Father's Name to confirm His meaning: "As the living father sent me, and I live because of the father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from Heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; He who eats this bread will live forever" (vv. 57-58). Nevertheless, the Jews continued in their disbelief, seeing in Christ's words a literal meaning that contradicted the Mosaic prohibition against the consumption of blood(Lev. 17:4): "Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" (v.60). But knowing their murmuring, Christ again did not retreat or explain away his words, rather He implicitly asserted His own Divine authority and future glorification: "Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the son of man ascending where he was before?" (v. 62)

But now this was too much for the jews who "drew back and no longer went about with him" (v. 66). Christ had now lost most of His closest and long time followers but He allowed them to go even though He had earlier declared "that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me" (v. 39). Is it reasonable to believe that He would have allowed such a catastrophe over a simple misunderstanding, particularly in light of His established habit of correcting past misunderstandings? He went further still and challenged the apostles themselves: "Do you also wish to go away?" (v.67). CHRIST WAS PREPARED TO LOSE ALL HUMAN SUPPORT RATHER THAN DENY THE LITERAL TRUTH OF HIS WORDS.

This was the first apostasy from the Body of Christ recorded in history, an apostasy which even claimed one of the Apostles: "For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that would betray him" (v.64). Catholics profess the faith of Simon Peter who, though not having full understandinghimself, answered "Lord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life" (v.68).

THERE'S MORE TO COME PEOPLE. I JUST HAVE TO GO DO A GARDENING JOB AND I WILL RETURN IN A FEW HOURS!! GOD BLESS. HOPE YOU ENJOY THE READ!!
 
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7seven7

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OK here's the continuation lol. I just had an AWESOME shower btw haha.

So it goes on to say:

Most fundamentalist authors claim that they can prove that Christ was speaking only metaphorically by comparing his words in St. John 6:35 ("I am the bread of life") to verses such as St. John 10:9 (I am the door") and St. John 15:1 ("I am the true vine"). The problem with such an argument, however, is that there is no connection between St. John 6:35 and these latter verses. Furthermore, St. John 10:9 and 15:1 make sense as metaphors while, as we shall see, St. John 6:35 does not. In addition, our Lord Himself takes St. John 6:35 beyond symbolism by repeating four times the injunction "to eat my flesh and drink my blood" and saying " for my flesh is food INDEED, and my blood is drink INDEED" (v. 55).

Another protestant objection revolves around the claim that Christ's phrase "to eat my flesh and drink my blood" was a figurative way of saying to believe and have faith in Him. There is some truth in the assertion that such a phrase had a figurative meaning. However, in the cultures of the Middle East it meant to calumniate, revile, attack or insult someone unjustly. It is, therefore, nonsene to argue that Christ would have used this phrase in the popular figurative sense, for that would've been tantamount to Christ asking His followers to sin against Him in order to inherit eternal life! It should also be noted that the greek word used for "eat" in St. John literally means "to gnaw." This is not the language of figuration.

I'll leave it there for now guys and girls and wait for the attacks! haha jk. Please understand that this is merely a defence of the faith of the Catholic Church and not an attack on Protestantism. I was very convinced that the Catholic Church was evil too when i was saved in prison and preached to by a Seventh Day Adventist chaplain. When i first started talking to him, i told him that i couldn't understand why all christians fight so much. And i asked him 3 or 4 times to not talk about other churches to me, just about Christ! Did he listen? NO. He just kept going on and on about the "evil RCC." And so I started listening cz in prison there's not much to doand any contact with other humans is good. and when he asked me if I was ready to convert and join the "true" church, something/someOne told me to say "this is all alot for me to take in right now, so i'm going to need some time to think about it." THANK CHRIST I did that, cz when i got out, i started my own research on everything he was telling me about the Catholic Church, and little by little, i found EVERYTHING to be a blatant lie. I find that the biggest common ground shared by alot of non-Catholic Churches is they spend SO MUCH time on trying to bring down the Catholic Church. And another thing i found, is that alot of people that "hate" the Catholic Church only do so because of what they've been told about Her, without having a look at Her defence. I love EVERY CHRISTIAN! CATHOLIC OR NOT, YOU ARE ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST!!! Even if you don't see me in the same way. We all have some good arguments for what we believe, and we will never agree on alot of things. But we all agree on Christ. Peace!
 
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My opinion matters not. What does the Bible say? No person by a free will choice will ever choose the foolishness of Christianity which the Bible clearly says: 1 Corinthians 1:23-24, John 3:19-21, John 6:37 and 65. However that there is one God is revealed in His creation as Acts 14:17 and Romans chapters 1 and 2 say. This is all that God requires to judge them.

IF anyone is elect by God's predestined choice he will hear the gospel and receive Jesus. It may even be by a dream, vision, or other supernatural means.

Many believe that God looked down eternity and chose the ones that would make a freewill choice to receive salvation. This cannot be true because it would mean that salvation is not by grace and man can do something on his own to receive it. According to the scripture salvation is by grace through faith. It has to be understood that if God had not predestined a FEW to be saved NONE would ever be. Clearly the Bible teaches that humanity would never "freely" choose the foolishness of Christianity.

God does not love sinners in the sense that there is anything about them or their lives to love. They disgust Him. In fact He drowned ALL of them at one point. God's very nature is love so he gave them 120 years of Noah preaching and building an ark for them to repent or even build their own ark.

Christianity today has a false message in that they tell the sinner God loves them and sent Jesus to die for them. This gives them the false impression that there is something about them that God does not hate and condemn. The truth is God's nature is love so He sent Jesus to make it possible for sinners to be made righteous and be loved by God. There is a BIG difference. Sin and sinners disgust God.
Wow! thats not a very nice way to look at God! lol or talk about Him for that matter. But each to their own pal. God bless you and Not be disgusted in u.
 
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OK here's the continuation lol. I just had an AWESOME shower btw haha.

So it goes on to say:

Most fundamentalist authors claim that they can prove that Christ was speaking only metaphorically by comparing his words in St. John 6:35 ("I am the bread of life") to verses such as St. John 10:9 (I am the door") and St. John 15:1 ("I am the true vine"). The problem with such an argument, however, is that there is no connection between St. John 6:35 and these latter verses. Furthermore, St. John 10:9 and 15:1 make sense as metaphors while, as we shall see, St. John 6:35 does not. In addition, our Lord Himself takes St. John 6:35 beyond symbolism by repeating four times the injunction "to eat my flesh and drink my blood" and saying " for my flesh is food INDEED, and my blood is drink INDEED" (v. 55).

Another protestant objection revolves around the claim that Christ's phrase "to eat my flesh and drink my blood" was a figurative way of saying to believe and have faith in Him. There is some truth in the assertion that such a phrase had a figurative meaning. However, in the cultures of the Middle East it meant to calumniate, revile, attack or insult someone unjustly. It is, therefore, nonsene to argue that Christ would have used this phrase in the popular figurative sense, for that would've been tantamount to Christ asking His followers to sin against Him in order to inherit eternal life! It should also be noted that the greek word used for "eat" in St. John literally means "to gnaw." This is not the language of figuration.

I'll leave it there for now guys and girls and wait for the attacks! haha jk. Please understand that this is merely a defence of the faith of the Catholic Church and not an attack on Protestantism. I was very convinced that the Catholic Church was evil too when i was saved in prison and preached to by a Seventh Day Adventist chaplain. When i first started talking to him, i told him that i couldn't understand why all christians fight so much. And i asked him 3 or 4 times to not talk about other churches to me, just about Christ! Did he listen? NO. He just kept going on and on about the "evil RCC." And so I started listening cz in prison there's not much to doand any contact with other humans is good. and when he asked me if I was ready to convert and join the "true" church, something/someOne told me to say "this is all alot for me to take in right now, so i'm going to need some time to think about it." THANK CHRIST I did that, cz when i got out, i started my own research on everything he was telling me about the Catholic Church, and little by little, i found EVERYTHING to be a blatant lie. I find that the biggest common ground shared by alot of non-Catholic Churches is they spend SO MUCH time on trying to bring down the Catholic Church. And another thing i found, is that alot of people that "hate" the Catholic Church only do so because of what they've been told about Her, without having a look at Her defence. I love EVERY CHRISTIAN! CATHOLIC OR NOT, YOU ARE ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST!!! Even if you don't see me in the same way. We all have some good arguments for what we believe, and we will never agree on alot of things. But we all agree on Christ. Peace!
Clearly Christ is speaking of what eternal life hinges on in john 6

Could you give me a verse of scripture where it states, eternal life hinges on partaking of communion, only hopefully we can agree, if that is the case the bible would clearly state it. For anything eternal life hinges on will surely be plainly stated
Thanks
 
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My opinion matters not. What does the Bible say? No person by a free will choice will ever choose the foolishness of Christianity which the Bible clearly says: 1 Corinthians 1:23-24, John 3:19-21, John 6:37 and 65. However that there is one God is revealed in His creation as Acts 14:17 and Romans chapters 1 and 2 say. This is all that God requires to judge them.

IF anyone is elect by God's predestined choice he will hear the gospel and receive Jesus. It may even be by a dream, vision, or other supernatural means.

Many believe that God looked down eternity and chose the ones that would make a freewill choice to receive salvation. This cannot be true because it would mean that salvation is not by grace and man can do something on his own to receive it. According to the scripture salvation is by grace through faith. It has to be understood that if God had not predestined a FEW to be saved NONE would ever be. Clearly the Bible teaches that humanity would never "freely" choose the foolishness of Christianity.

God does not love sinners in the sense that there is anything about them or their lives to love. They disgust Him. In fact He drowned ALL of them at one point. God's very nature is love so he gave them 120 years of Noah preaching and building an ark for them to repent or even build their own ark.

Christianity today has a false message in that they tell the sinner God loves them and sent Jesus to die for them. This gives them the false impression that there is something about them that God does not hate and condemn. The truth is God's nature is love so He sent Jesus to make it possible for sinners to be made righteous and be loved by God. There is a BIG difference. Sin and sinners disgust God.
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Clearly Christ is speaking of what eternal life hinges on in john 6

Could you give me a verse of scripture where it states, eternal life hinges on partaking of communion, only hopefully we can agree, if that is the case the bible would clearly state it. For anything eternal life hinges on will surely be plainly stated
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John 6:53-58