The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

[abcdef]

Fullness of the Gentiles relates to the spreading of the gospel to the then known nations and is not a numerical number - Paul stated the gospel had been preached to every creature under heaven:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

The fullness came in during Paul's time - then the end came.

No, go back and read the context again. Rom 11:24-29.

V 26, "And so all Israel will be saved:" All Israel after the spirit.
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V 28, "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Fathers' sakes."

The enemies spoken of here are Israel after the flesh that have rejected the gospel kingdom.

V 29, For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

But here Paul continues and says that even though they are enemies, they cannot, are unable, to undo what God has spoken about them.

The blessings of the kingdom and the gospel calling.

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You say that the fullness of the gentiles was before 70 ad.

But it says that once the fullness of the gentiles has come in, that the blindness in part of Israel will end v25.

When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad, Israel was still blinded in part, and it has continued into this modern era.

 

[Locutus]

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

All Israel was saved at the dest of Jeru when the lord came in the 1st century out of Sion to judge the "not all Israel" - but the "all" saved was only a remnant.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Your argument is contradictory AB.

 

[abcdef]

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

All Israel was saved at the dest of Jeru when the lord came in the 1st century out of Sion to judge the "not all Israel" - but the "all" saved was only a remnant.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Your argument is contradictory AB.

Except that Paul is talking the eternal salvation of the soul, and not saving the flesh from the dest of Jeru.

 

[Locutus]

Regardless that was the time of Israel's salvation. No other time for salvation is given in the bible. The time of the harvest etc.

 

[abcdef]

Regardless that was the time of Israel's salvation. No other time for salvation is given in the bible. The time of the harvest etc.

Regardless? Regardless?

You mean, never mind what the Bible says, you are going to disregard certain scriptures?

Because they don't say what you want?

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Simon and Garfunkel, The Boxer.

"Still a man hears, what he wants to hear,

And disregards the rest, la la la."

 

[Locutus]

Not ignoring anything AB - the saving of the soul is claimed by Jesus at the time of the dest of Jeru:

Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

My theology makes sense - yours when it goes beyond 70 AD and the dest of Jeru makes no sense AB.

 

[Locutus]

The main problem with most "futurist theologies" is they can't accept that the Jews are no longer the chewsen people....

 

[prove-all]

The main problem with most "futurist theologies" is they can't accept that the Jews are no longer the chewsen people....

Psalms 94:14 (KJV)
For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Job 31:2 (KJV)
For what portion of God is there from above?
and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

Psalms 127:3 (KJV)
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord:
and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Psalms 33:12 (KJV)
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people
whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

Psalms 74:2 (KJV)
Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine
inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

1 Kings 8:51 (KJV)
For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest
forth out of Egypt, from the midst of the furnace of iron:

Deuteronomy 4:20 (KJV)
But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace,
even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

1 Kings 8:53 (KJV)
For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth,
to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant,
when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord God.

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Ezekiel 22:16 (KJV)
And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in the sight of the heathen,
and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.

 

[Locutus]

Isa 65:15 “You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones,And the Lord GOD will slay you. But My servants will be called by another name.

Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? “CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

 

[Bladerunner]

Isa 65:15 “You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones,And the Lord GOD will slay you. But My servants will be called by another name.

Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? “CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

Hope you got a good backup plan....

 

[Jackson123]

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pistei
πίστει ,
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tethemeliōmenoi
τεθεμελιωμένοι
established
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firm
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μὴ
not
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metakinoumenoi
μετακινούμενοι
being moved away
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apo
ἀπὸ
from
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tēs
τῆς
the
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elpidos
ἐλπίδος
hope
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tou
τοῦ
of the
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euangeliou
εὐαγγελίου
gospel
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οὗ
that
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ἠκούσατε ,
you have heard
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tou
τοῦ
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kērychthentos
κηρυχθέντος
having been proclaimed
V-APP-GNS[/TD]
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ἐν
in
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pasē
πάσῃ
all
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κτίσει
creation
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ὑπὸ
under
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τὸν
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οὐρανόν ,
heaven
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hou
οὗ
of which
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ἐγενόμην
have become
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διάκονος .
a minister
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[Jackson123]

Is colosian 1:23 mean gospel have been proclaimed to every human in Paul time?

not. Gospel have been proclaimed to all creature, include human though not every human, angel, devil.

gospel have been proclaimed in indonesia, do not mean every Indonesian heard gospel.

 

[Jackson123]

The main problem with most "futurist theologies" is they can't accept that the Jews are no longer the chewsen people....

the Jews that not accept Jesus is not chosen, but bible prophecy in the end time, will be a massive repentance among Jews

 

[vic1980]

King Neb., is the head of gold Dan. 2:38, and the gold represents the Kingdom of Babylon.

The other metals represent kingdoms that rise after that Dan. 2:39-40.

They are usually thought of as Media/Persia as the silver, Greece as the brass, and Rome as the iron.

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Many individuals don't have a understanding that america is part of that statue image iron/clay in the book of Daniel.

Shalom

 

[Jackson123]

Many individuals don't have a understanding that america is part of that statue image iron/clay in the book of Daniel.

Shalom

why? Is that because intermarriage happen in America?

 

[vic1980]

The main problem with most "futurist theologies" is they can't accept that the Jews are no longer the chewsen people....

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

 

[Locutus]

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

There's the 144K first fruits to God and the Lamb being gathered in the 1st century AD - they aren't chopped liver.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

[Jackson123]

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

There's the 144K first fruits to God and the Lamb being gathered in the 1st century AD - they aren't chopped liver.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

how do you know that 144000 first fruit are live in the first century?

 

[Ahwatukee]

how do you know that 144000 first fruit are live in the first century?

Hello Jackson123,

Just FYI, Locutus is just pigeonholing the words "first fruits" in order to make his claim, which is not specific to any one thing. There are many who do the same thing with the word "Trumpet" in order to try and make the 7th trumpet and the "last trumpet" as referring to the same trumpet. The 144,000 are the first fruits out of Israel who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah.

The 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel is a future group who will be sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev.7:1-8) and will be upon the earth during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.

Just because the words "first fruits" are used in different scriptures, does not mean that it is referring to the same thing or same group.

 

[TMS]

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome.
Jesus went into the temple ....
Mat 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

latter Jesus talks about the temple again.....
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
It is no longer Jesus' house