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[Bladerunner]

Yep to my knowledge Jews is one of the 12 tribe, the rest of remaining we do not know where are there.

So I believe 144000 is symbolic

according to this article, now there are 350000 Christian Jew alone, not to mention from other tribe.

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Messianic Judaism is a branch of Judaism that is trying to act as a link between Judaism and Christianity. Those who follow this form of Judaism are referred to as Messianic Jews. So how many of them are there? Let’s find out.
Today, there are over 1,000 Hebrew-Christian missionary groups that spend over $300 million annually, targeting Jewish people for conversion. In recent years, these missionary groups have succeeded in converting 350,000 Jews worldwide.

Jackson,,,,it is pretty clear it is not. In fact, God goes to great lengths to tell us it is not a symbolization of what he meant to say....."HE means what he says and says what HE means"

Having said that, It is SO SAD that people go along with this deviant version which consistently calls God a LIAR..... One knows how they feel if someone calls them a liar.. Imagine What GOD feels.... It is simple, He will not get mad but rather just put their soul in a different pile and there are only two....

Which one are you in!

 

[Bladerunner]

Nice try AB baby......

You know very well that the "heavens and earth" Jesus spoke of was figurative and that he was not speaking of the planet and that the "heavens and earth" of old passed away with the dest of the temp and the sack of Jeru.

John used "heavens and earth" in his revelation when he stated that in the new "earth" there was no more "sea" which represented the Gentile nations as against the "earth" of the physical nation of Israel when the final blow was made that removed the distinction between Gentile and Jews.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Jesus called Israel the "earth":

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Does the planet need salt...maybe a bit of pepper?......

You Picked a good name...You rhetoric highlights the name...I am sure he would be proud of you.

 

[Jackson123]

Jackson,,,,it is pretty clear it is not. In fact, God goes to great lengths to tell us it is not a symbolization of what he meant to say....."HE means what he says and says what HE means"

Having said that, It is SO SAD that people go along with this deviant version which consistently calls God a LIAR..... One knows how they feel if someone calls them a liar.. Imagine What GOD feels.... It is simple, He will not get mad but rather just put their soul in a different pile and there are only two....

Which one are you in!

Bluderuner, I am not call God a liar. But some time Bible used symbol.

Think about It, When 144000 israel Being rapture?

Among millions People of Israel from old testament to now is that only 144000 saved?

jews is only one tribe and I believe now more than 14 millions, that live now.

And Christian jews that live now is about 350000.

 

[Willie-T]

You Picked a good name...You rhetoric highlights the name...I am sure he would be proud of you.

Uh..... "Locutus" is not a name. (Sorry, Star Trek fans.) It is indicative of an action. It is Latin for, "one who speaks."

 

[Enocish]

Because the Last person to become 'saved' has not happened yet. With each one saved, it is getting closer. It serves one other purpose(s). It keeps Satan off Balance. He is one to mimic what God does and He would mimic a Rapture if He knew when it was going to take place. Another purpose is the Great HOPE keeps people looking to heaven. If you and anyone not looking when Jesus Does come back to the CLOUDS, Guess what would probably happen?????

It is very foolish to doubt the sovereignty of God. Millions and Millions of people over the years have come to the bad side of HIM and the Bible tells us what happened to them...

Never mind, the Rapture... Your rapture could be at any time. It is "imminent" Nothing has to happen to cause it to happen. Know what it is.....It is your Death! Yes, when you die, you automatically go to Heaven or you go to Hell (a holding place until the Great WHite Throne).

What many are doing is the same as having a 44 cal. pistol loaded (with the rest of their days in its chambers) to their head and each day pulling the trigger. ONE DAY it will not just CLICK and you will instantly know it?

SLeep tight tonight??????

Some times it just amazes me that people don't know, How much they just don't know. It is the same with Stupid,
By definition stupid people. Just don't know that there stupid. And that was case for me. I didn't know just how stupid i was until the lord opened my eyes. There is a natural order to things. And the Bible is put together in Gods natural order. First you need to understand Genesis, At least the 1st 6 chapters explicitly the first 6 chapter. Once i learned how to study. It took me 4 to 6 months to get through the verse 1 and 2. There really is a lot in there. A person really can spend years on the 1st 6 chapters of Genesis alone. Next you should only study from the KJV Bible. The one right after the 1611 version. The others are sometime a good reference but they have been tampered with by the Kenites.
And if you don't know who they are. Then you need to find the key of David which unlocks the Mysteries of God. And they start in the first 6 chapter of Genesis. Then you need a strongs concordance. Not just any strongs. They have been tampered with also.The older the better. Then a smiths bible dictionary. With those 3 things, The guidance of the holy spirit and lots of Prayer. You to can become the enemy of his seed. Because God put enmity between the seed of Adam and the seed of Satan, The devil who is that old serpent. My favorite Bible is The companion bible. It has a lot of commentary and notes by E W bulinger that are not in other bibles, But any kjv bible will do.

I don't want any one to fooled into thinking that we are waiting on the last person to be saved. We still have a 1000 years to go thru before that happens. And the lord will return at the beginning of the 7th trump or the last trump depend on your preference. He will gather his people together ( Not Rapture ) And we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye. Then we go through the Millennium , After God has bound Lucifer in the pit for 1000 years after which he will be loosed again for a short season. This time he won't have his other angles that left there heavenly abode. Cause they die right off the bat at the last trump. Look at me, I have given way more info than any one person can chew on. i hope it is not to over whelming.

Here is a question to ponder on.

Since the begging of time has anyone really ever died?

 

[Bladerunner]

Bluderuner, I am not call God a liar. But some time Bible used symbol.

Think about It, When 144000 israel Being rapture?

Among millions People of Israel from old testament to now is that only 144000 saved?

jews is only one tribe and I believe now more than 14 millions, that live now.

And Christian jews that live now is about 350000.

I cannot imagine any other words that would tell us that this was 144,000. If you allegorized anything of it, you are calling GOD a LIAR.

OK,,, whats the problem, 350000, will support 144,000. You see, You can read the lines but you have little faith that God kjnows what he is doing. You got to help him a little bit by explaining what He really meant....... Such arrogance You against a GOD????

 

[Bladerunner]

Uh..... "Locutus" is not a name. (Sorry, Star Trek fans.) It is indicative of an action. It is Latin for, "one who speaks."

It was also a symbol for an evil empire that would consume everybody and everything in Star Trek. But I guess He looked up the meaning of the Name and chose it on that basis. and the way he talks about GOD----welll you decide.

 

[Bladerunner]

Some times it just amazes me that people don't know, How much they just don't know. It is the same with Stupid,
By definition stupid people. Just don't know that there stupid. And that was case for me. I didn't know just how stupid i was until the lord opened my eyes. There is a natural order to things. And the Bible is put together in Gods natural order. First you need to understand Genesis, At least the 1st 6 chapters explicitly the first 6 chapter. Once i learned how to study. It took me 4 to 6 months to get through the verse 1 and 2. There really is a lot in there. A person really can spend years on the 1st 6 chapters of Genesis alone. Next you should only study from the KJV Bible. The one right after the 1611 version. The others are sometime a good reference but they have been tampered with by the Kenites.
And if you don't know who they are. Then you need to find the key of David which unlocks the Mysteries of God. And they start in the first 6 chapter of Genesis. Then you need a strongs concordance. Not just any strongs. They have been tampered with also.The older the better. Then a smiths bible dictionary. With those 3 things, The guidance of the holy spirit and lots of Prayer. You to can become the enemy of his seed. Because God put enmity between the seed of Adam and the seed of Satan, The devil who is that old serpent. My favorite Bible is The companion bible. It has a lot of commentary and notes by E W bulinger that are not in other bibles, But any kjv bible will do.

I don't want any one to fooled into thinking that we are waiting on the last person to be saved. We still have a 1000 years to go thru before that happens. And the lord will return at the beginning of the 7th trump or the last trump depend on your preference. He will gather his people together ( Not Rapture ) And we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye. Then we go through the Millennium , After God has bound Lucifer in the pit for 1000 years after which he will be loosed again for a short season. This time he won't have his other angles that left there heavenly abode. Cause they die right off the bat at the last trump. Look at me, I have given way more info than any one person can chew on. i hope it is not to over whelming.

Here is a question to ponder on.

Since the begging of time has anyone really ever died?

Oh, you one of those that believe we are in the 1000 year time of peace..... Guess again.

you said: "I don't want any one to fooled into thinking that we are waiting on the last person to be saved."


I am glad you think GOD is trying to fool you...... It is ok, you have a lot of company.

 

[Jackson123]

I cannot imagine any other words that would tell us that this was 144,000. If you allegorized anything of it, you are calling GOD a LIAR.

OK,,, whats the problem, 350000, will support 144,000. You see, You can read the lines but you have little faith that God kjnows what he is doing. You got to help him a little bit by explaining what He really meant....... Such arrogance You against a GOD????

Am I arrogance when I say a lamb is symbol of Jesus?

to say 144000 a symbol is not arrogance, I just expressed what is my interpretation, brother.

 

[abcdef]

I do not understand what you say

so you believe there are some resurrection?

first resurrection is 144000 and when it happen

when is second resurrection happen?

The description of the resurrections is found in 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24. (Please read it, thank you)

It says that there are 2 resurrections.

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1. The 1st resurrection. Jesus the first fruits.

Jesus did not resurrect by himself, he brought souls who were captive in sin until Jesus died and shed His blood. They ascended with Jesus to heaven, Eph 4:8.
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2. The 2nd resurrection. Those who are His at His coming.

This is Jesus coming for the kingdom. This is the rapt/resur coming, where the dead are raised and where we are caught up.
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3. Death is destroyed. A parallel passage would be Rev 20:14-15.
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4. Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father. See Rev 21:1-2.
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5. Jesus submits to the Father, All in All.
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There are only 2 resurrections shown. We cannot add, or take away.

Also see that the kingdom is delivered up to the Father only AFTER death is destroyed.
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The 144000, would be from the resurrection where Jesus resurrected, along with the "multitude no man can count" (MNMCC).

The 144000 would be the first fruits of Israel, in the 1st resurrection along with Jesus.
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The MNMCC is gentiles, and souls such as Noah and Issac who lived long before Jesus was born, but were not Israel after the flesh.
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These souls are seen alive in heaven with Jesus, when John saw them there in 60-96 ad.

They are never coming back to this planet Rev 7:16, light, heat.
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When the Bible says 1st resurrection, it is the resurrection of Jesus.

When it says 2nd resurrection, it is the rapt/resur one "at His coming".

Then it is the end.

 

[abcdef]

Nice try AB baby......

You know very well that the "heavens and earth" Jesus spoke of was figurative and that he was not speaking of the planet and that the "heavens and earth" of old passed away with the dest of the temp and the sack of Jeru.

I agree, but we were talking about planet earth remember? Eccle 1:4 The earth abideth forever.

So the last of the symbolic heaven and earth of the temple age did pass away at the dest of Jeru, so it can't be that earth that lasted forever.

John used "heavens and earth" in his revelation when he stated that in the new "earth" there was no more "sea" which represented the Gentile nations as against the "earth" of the physical nation of Israel when the final blow was made that removed the distinction between Gentile and Jews.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Yes except that the last judgement has not happened yet, every knee shall bow.

And again, we were talking about Eccle 1:4, and planet earth.

Jesus called Israel the "earth":

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Well, read it again, Jesus called Israel salt, not the earth.

Does the planet need salt...maybe a bit of pepper?......

Which earth is it that lasts forever?

It can't be Israel, they were cut off.

If you say the planet, then the scripture was not fulfilled by 70 ad.

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Brother Locutus,

Just remember that we agree that Matt 24, Mk 13, etc, are about 70 ad.

 

[abcdef]

There is no end of the planet AB - Iran got nothing to do with prophecy.

Iran has everything to do with it!

Who crosses the Euphrates River at the 6th trumpet headed for Jerusalem?

At the 7th trumpet Jesus comes for the kingdom at the rapt/resur. Then it is the end.


Who crosses the Euphrates river to the valley of Armageddon at the 6th bowl/vial?

See how the river dries up. The waters are people. Iraq is dried up and has no power, making way for the kings of the east (Iran) to attack Israel and Jerusalem.

Iran could not attack Israel and Jerusalem until Saddam was taken away.

At the 7th bowl, the earthquake and hail.


This is happening right now!

 

[Jackson123]

The description of the resurrections is found in 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24. (Please read it, thank you)

It says that there are 2 resurrections.

--

1. The 1st resurrection. Jesus the first fruits.

Jesus did not resurrect by himself, he brought souls who were captive in sin until Jesus died and shed His blood. They ascended with Jesus to heaven, Eph 4:8.
---

2. The 2nd resurrection. Those who are His at His coming.

This is Jesus coming for the kingdom. This is the rapt/resur coming, where the dead are raised and where we are caught up.
---

3. Death is destroyed. A parallel passage would be Rev 20:14-15.
---

4. Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father. See Rev 21:1-2.
---

5. Jesus submits to the Father, All in All.
---

There are only 2 resurrections shown. We cannot add, or take away.

Also see that the kingdom is delivered up to the Father only AFTER death is destroyed.
---

The 144000, would be from the resurrection where Jesus resurrected, along with the "multitude no man can count" (MNMCC).

The 144000 would be the first fruits of Israel, in the 1st resurrection along with Jesus.
-
The MNMCC is gentiles, and souls such as Noah and Issac who lived long before Jesus was born, but were not Israel after the flesh.
-
These souls are seen alive in heaven with Jesus, when John saw them there in 60-96 ad.

They are never coming back to this planet Rev 7:16, light, heat.
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When the Bible says 1st resurrection, it is the resurrection of Jesus.

When it says 2nd resurrection, it is the rapt/resur one "at His coming".

Then it is the end.

so you believe first resurection is when Jesus resurect at about 30 AD, not 70AD am I correct?

 

[Bladerunner]

Bluderuner, I am not call God a liar. But some time Bible used symbol.

Think about It, When 144000 israel Being rapture?

They are not raptured, they are on earth. in Rev 14:1 they are standing on Mount Zionn with Jesus...oops,,,, Jesus tells us they are with HIM standing on Mount ZION and you say they are only symbols of something else. Oh, here I will post the verse for you: Rev 14:1.."And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."

Among millions People of Israel from old testament to now is that only 144000 saved?

These 144,000 we are told are celibate, who like the disciples are giving their Whole Life to GOD. While they are reborn, they are not part of the remnant of Israel that is told later on in Revelation and will remain on Earth evangelizing to those left behind on earth.

jews is only one tribe and I believe now more than 14 millions, that live now.

Jews is only one tribe.....There are 12 tribes of Israel. Even today, they are searching records to find those whose ancient names placed them in the Levi tribe. They have found many and they are being trained for the temple to be rebuilt. There are some 16 million Jews scattered around the world. If all the hairs on my head are counted and God can know all the names of the stars in heaven,then he can keep up with a few thousand Jewish people, surely----Do you Agree.


And Christian jews that live now is about 350000

There are no Christian Jews in the Body of CHrist. We are all the same.... There are three different Races of people in the world. Gentiles, Jewish and the Church. Where are you at?

Quote Originally Posted by Jackson123
Yep to my knowledge Jews is one of the 12 tribe, the rest of remaining we do not know where are there.
So I believe 144000 is symbolic

Jews is ONE of the 12 Tribes.....NO--- the 12 tribes of Israel are Jewish. GOD knows or maybe that is symbolized also.????

Here is the rest or Rev. 14:1-6 1. above...."2.And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3.And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Does that sound like the 144,000 are some symbol or an idiom.

Jackson,,,,Sometimes, it is better to read the lines literally and interpret it that way.. It might not make you popular with the crowd on this thread but it get you a little closer to the Lord thy GOD.

At least that way, you are NOT calling GOD a Liar!

 

[Jackson123]

There are no Christian Jews in the Body of CHrist. We are all the same.... There are three different Races of people in the world. Gentiles, Jewish and the Church. Where are you at?





Jews is ONE of the 12 Tribes.....NO--- the 12 tribes of Israel are Jewish. GOD knows or maybe that is symbolized also.????

Here is the rest or Rev. 14:1-6 1. above...."2.And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3.And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Does that sound like the 144,000 are some symbol or an idiom.

Jackson,,,,Sometimes, it is better to read the lines literally and interpret it that way.. It might not make you popular with the crowd on this thread but it get you a little closer to the Lord thy GOD.

At least that way, you are NOT calling GOD a Liar!

seem to me you believe the 144000 is 12 tribe that live during 7 years tribulation.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

verse 4 seem need explatation If you think These 12 tribe are live during tribulation.
If It is literally ay attention to this word


These are they wich follow the lamb whithersoever He goeth.

Literally the lamb or Jesus not coming to the eartlh yet, before or during tribulation after His ascention, how they literally follow Him

 

[abcdef]

so you believe first resurection is when Jesus resurect at about 30 AD, not 70AD am I correct?

Yes, 33 AD.

Jesus, the 144000, the multitude no man can count (MNMCC), the 24 elders, all are from the 1st resurrection.

The 144000 are the first fruits of the resurrection along with Jesus.

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The number 144000, is symbolic of perfection.

The walls and the city in Rev 21:14-17, are described as 144000. But the number is to be taken symbolically, spiritually, as the number is a judgement, and the city is found to be perfect.

An angel is a spirit, and the numbers are expressed as the measure of an angel v 17, so men will understand that the city is perfect.

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, 33 AD.

Jesus, the 144000, the multitude no man can count (MNMCC), the 24 elders, all are from the 1st resurrection.

The 144000 are the first fruits of the resurrection along with Jesus.

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The number 144000, is symbolic of perfection.

The walls and the city in Rev 21:14-17, are described as 144000. But the number is to be taken symbolically, spiritually, as the number is a judgement, and the city is found to be perfect.

An angel is a spirit, and the numbers are expressed as the measure of an angel v 17, so men will understand that the city is perfect.

abcdef, is this what you mean

matt 27


50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Yes there is resurrection when Jesus die on the cross, and I assumed follow by rapture after visit Jerusalem

but I need more explanation, why you think 144000 is symbolic and do you have verse that say 144000 is number of judgement?

 

[Bladerunner]

seem to me you believe the 144000 is 12 tribe that live during 7 years tribulation.

Yes, These 144,000 and all of Israel and other Jews around the world, It is the reason for the 7 Years of Tribulation as you put it...or as I put it ....Daniel's 70th week.


4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb

verse 4 seem need explatation If you think These 12 tribe are live during tribulation.
If It is literally ay attention to this word



IF you symbolize everything, then how can I expect you to know where anything is at..Answer I cannot.

I chapter 14, one half of the "tribulation"as you call it, is through. At the beginning of chapt. 14, John sees them standing on Mount Zion with Jesus.

Now if, you had studied your Bible, you will realize that Jesus pop in and out of our Realm at odd times after he had ascended and while His apostles were spreading His word. Take the Baalam and the Donkey Story to show one this is possible. So yes, Jesus will be on this earth during the 'tribulations' (as you call it) and no one except who He determines will see HIM....

Yes, they are redeemed in Verse 4, or maybe earlier in v. 3... After they heard the Song sung from Heaven that only they could hear. In v.2... we see where they are just beginning to hear something?

Look to Chapter 15,,,we have a detailed summary of what was happening. In chapter 16:1...God tells them to pour out their vials on the earth.

During this time, the two Witnesses (Elijah/ Moses..My opinion)will evangelize to the people of the earth along with the help of an Angel sent from Heaven.

If you will look to Revelation, Literally and quit listening to this symbolism ( I know it lets you think up an cocca-mammie story that feels good to you) and start reading it literally. I do not ask you to believe a word I say but rather take what I have said and research it out for yourself. Only you can do that......







These are they wich follow the lamb whithersoever He goeth.

Literally the lamb or Jesus not coming to the eartlh yet, before or during tribulation after His ascention, how they literally follow Him

As I stated before, based upon past happenings, (Baalam and the DonKey), the sighting of Jesus by the disciples after His ascension, I do believe it will happen during Daniel's 70th week. We know for sure the Holy Spirit will be here on earth even though the CHurch is gone. You cannot see HIM so why would you think it any different for Jesus????????????

 

[abcdef]

abcdef, is this what you mean

matt 27


50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Yes there is resurrection when Jesus die on the cross, and I assumed follow by rapture after visit Jerusalem

1. Jesus dies on the cross.

2. 3 days later is the 1st resurrection, at that time vs 52-53 happen.

3. Jesus ascends to the Father with the 144000, MNMCC, etc.

4. Jesus appears to many, confirming His authority.

5. Acts 1:1-11, Jesus ascends to heaven.

6. Jesus appears to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.

7. Jesus comes with clouds of Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem.

8. Jerusalem is destroyed and the times of the gentiles trampling begins Lk 21:20-24, 24. 70 AD (no resurrection in 70 AD)

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1967, Times of the gentiles trampling ends when Israel is restored to military control of Jerusalem.

The resurrection of His coming, the second time unto salvation Heb 9:28, is yet to come. (very close)

Then it is the end 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
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but I need more explanation, why you think 144000 is symbolic and do you have verse that say 144000 is number of judgement?

The sign of judgement is the angel measuring.

The number is perfection.

12 X 12 X 1000

1000 complete, all

12 is government, authority,... The 12 Apostles, The 12 Tribes, for example


Each of the 12 tribes complete, 12 X 1000 = 12,000,.......Israel complete 144000, perfect under the authority of Jesus.


It really doesn't matter that much if the number is literal or not, IT IS THE "SPIRIT" of the number that is important.

 

[Jackson123]

As I stated before, based upon past happenings, (Baalam and the DonKey), the sighting of Jesus by the disciples after His ascension, I do believe it will happen during Daniel's 70th week. We know for sure the Holy Spirit will be here on earth even though the CHurch is gone. You cannot see HIM so why would you think it any different for Jesus????????????

so It is not literally follow Jesus. If your argument is Holy Spirit Will be here, Holy spirit is omnipresent,
How you literally follow one that every where, all you do is not go any where.