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Ahwatukee

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literally this is impossible


You're just limiting God. This group will be just who scripture says they are, 144,000, twelve thousand from each tribe listed. If God was able to reserve for himself 7,000 who did not bend the knee to Baal, then why would you think that it is impossible for the Lord to reserve 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel? They may not know who they are, but God sure does and He's going to be sealing them during the first have of the seven year period. These will be those out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah.
 
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literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome.
u are saying its impossible. but whats impossible to man is possible to God.

u really think God doesnt know who the 144 000 are? He knows all the tribes to this day.
oh ye of little faith like Jesus said.
 

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You're just limiting God. This group will be just who scripture says they are, 144,000, twelve thousand from each tribe listed. If God was able to reserve for himself 7,000 who did not bend the knee to Baal, then why would you think that it is impossible for the Lord to reserve 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel? They may not know who they are, but God sure does and He's going to be sealing them during the first have of the seven year period. These will be those out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah.

[/QUOTE] ]literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. [/QUOTE]

Good Morning all
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes

A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.

Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before

Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.

Can i get an Amen
 

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literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe

first the Jews[Judah] is from the so. tribe, is only one son.
first time the word [Jew] is mentioned in the bible,
they where going to war with Israel.
 

Jackson123

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first the Jews[Judah] is from the so. tribe, is only one son.
first time the word [Jew] is mentioned in the bible,
they where going to war with Israel.
Yep to my knowledge Jews is one of the 12 tribe, the rest of remaining we do not know where are there.

So I believe 144000 is symbolic

according to this article, now there are 350000 Christian Jew alone, not to mention from other tribe.

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[h=1]How many messianic Jews are there?[/h]

Messianic Judaism is a branch of Judaism that is trying to act as a link between Judaism and Christianity. Those who follow this form of Judaism are referred to as Messianic Jews. So how many of them are there? Let’s find out.
Today, there are over 1,000 Hebrew-Christian missionary groups that spend over $300 million annually, targeting Jewish people for conversion. In recent years, these missionary groups have succeeded in converting 350,000 Jews worldwide.
 

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Yep to my knowledge Jews is one of the 12 tribe, the rest of remaining we do not know where are there.

So I believe 144000 is symbolic

according to this article, now there are 350000 Christian Jew alone, not to mention from other tribe.

Home > Articles > How many messianic Jews are there?
How many messianic Jews are there?



Messianic Judaism is a branch of Judaism that is trying to act as a link between Judaism and Christianity. Those who follow this form of Judaism are referred to as Messianic Jews. So how many of them are there? Let’s find out.
Today, there are over 1,000 Hebrew-Christian missionary groups that spend over $300 million annually, targeting Jewish people for conversion. In recent years, these missionary groups have succeeded in converting 350,000 Jews worldwide.
Please consider this,

The 144000 are called the first fruits.

They would be the first fruits of the resurrection. They were resurrected with Jesus.

(There is another group called the first fruits of the kingdom, they accepted Jesus on Pentecost, they are not the 144000)

These souls are with Jesus, seen there by John when the Rev was given. 60 ad-96 ad, about.

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The 144000 may be the actual number of souls, but the number itself is symbolic of perfection, or complete.

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abcdef

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]literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. [/QUOTE]

Good Morning all
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes

A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.

Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before

Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.

Can i get an Amen[/QUOTE]

After the 7th seal there is silence, I don't see where any trumpet blows.
 

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James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

There's the 144K first fruits to God and the Lamb being gathered in the 1st century AD - they aren't chopped liver.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Your theology has blinded you from the promise God has given to His people.

Paul spoke unto the Gentiles the following:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Thee fulness of the gentiles was not in 70 AD

I would suggest not to put everything at the pin point of 70 AD , due that those theologian that teach these theology do not comprehend God plan for His people Israel.

In hopes that you will consider the following.
 
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Dan 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that operated differently than each other,which are the 4 ways of man.Human religion,physical cruelty,human wisdom,and pushing for dominion,world domination.

Although all 4 kingdoms displayed all 4 ways,one of those ways was their chief mode of operation,with the other 3 ways in a minor role to their chief mode of operation.

Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The first beast is Babylon,which represents human religion.King Nebuchadnezzar proclaimed throughout his kingdom to acknowledge the God of Israel,for He is the greatest God of all the gods,and Babylon rode on eagle's wings.

The king died,his son took the throne,knew what his father believed,and went against it,and the eagle's wings were plucked,lost the revelation of God,and the kingdom given to the Medes and Persians.

Babylon would then be known as the kingdom of man.

Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The second beast is Medo-Persia,which represents physically cruelty.Raised itself up on one side,the Persian influence stronger.3 ribs probably 3 kingdoms they conquered 1.Babylonians 2.Lydians 3.Egyptians.

Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

The third beast is Greece,which represents human wisdom.4 wings of a fowl which might mean they flew above the common nation in higher mathematics,science,philosophy,medicine,etc.Had 4 heads,and when Alexander the Great died his kingdom was split into 4 sections,and a general ruled each section.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The fourth beast is the Roman Empire,which represents pushing for power,and world domination.

I agreed to this point. After this point I disagree with the time line.


Had ten horns which is in the future,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the beast,the man of sin,will come from the ten horns,whose agenda is it is all about people,and there is no personal God.

The little horn devastates 3 sections of the world,plucked up by the roots with nuclear weapons.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The first 3 beasts will never have physical dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,and show up at the beast kingdom in Revelation.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,which they will devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and when they fall then the saints shall possess the kingdom,which has not happened yet.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The beast kingdom has no input from God unlike the kingdoms of the past.

All 4 beast's ways of Daniel are in the beast kingdom,their chief mode of operation,and is the kingdom of man in its entirety,where in the past it was not the kingdom of man in its entirety,for all 4 ways was not in chief mode of operation,for there was an imbalance between the 4 in whatever ratio it was.

The ten horns are the physical dominion of the beast kingdom,the Roman Empire,in which their chief mode of operation is in play,for they shall tread down the whole earth,tread upon it,and break it in pieces,and the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues.

With the ways of a lion,Babylon in their chief mode of operation,human religion,people only going by their own religion,where in time past they acknowledged a God.

With the ways of a bear,Medo-Persia in their chief mode of operation,being physically cruel to take away all people that do not follow the beast kingdom not showing the love of God even in a little sense.

With the ways of a leopard,Greece in their chief mode of operation,human wisdom,people only going by their own wisdom.

All 4 beasts in their chief mode of operation,the kingdom of man in its entirety.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Heads 1.Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4.Medo-Persia 5.Greece 6.Roman Empire 7.Ten horns.

Crown on heads,Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving people,and the ten horns rule prior to the beast claiming to be God,but fail at providing peace,and hand their power over to the beast,and he gets control of the world.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Crowns on the horns,Satan in the physical realm deceiving people.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

7 kings.5 are fallen 1.Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4.Medo-Persia 5.Greece.1 is in operation at the time John wrote Revelation. 6.Roman Empire. 7.The next one in the future,and when they will operate for a short space,three and one half years.8.The beast,man of sin,who is of the 7 for the devil influenced those kingdoms,and will rule for three and one half years.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The beast does not revive from the dead,for he has 7 heads,and 1 head was as it were wounded to death,but the deadly would was healed,which a man does not have 7 heads,and Satan will appear as the man of sin.

The head that was wounded is the ten horn kingdom,the 7th head of the beast,that ruled for three and one half years before the beast claimed to be God,and ruled.

The Gentile nations will come together,and say Peace and safety,and try to establish peace on earth,and will rule by the ten horn kingdom,but the ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace,especially when a war broke out,and nuclear weapons were launched,and one third of the population of the world dies.

The 7th head was wounded,for they failed at obtaining peace and safety,and the world is devastated,and lost hope for there to be peace on earth,for when they say Peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon them,and the war of the 6th trumpet was the worse war in the history of mankind.

But the beast convinced them that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,evolved,and will share this power with all who follow him,and he restored order,and calmed things down,and gave the world hope,and the deadly wound was healed,and they said,who is like unto the beast,and who can make war against him,believing he has the power to be able to establish his kingdom,and provide peace on earth,and no foe can stop him.
Sometimes your posts are a little long for me to respond to, but maybe that's just me. I know I have posted a few long ones myself, ha ha.

I agreed with your post until you got to the part about the 10 horns.

I always thought that when the Roman Empire fell, 476 ad, that it was the beginning of the 10 horns/toes era.

The division unto 10 symbolizes complete division, it would not be literal.

What do you think?
 

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One more thing to note , if the Fulness of the Gentiles has been completed , why are we here still ???

Why are we still going into the world preaching The Gospel .




Shalom
 
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One more thing to note , if the Fulness of the Gentiles has been completed , why are we here still ???

Why are we still going into the world preaching The Gospel .




Shalom
In thinking about the term "fullness of the gentiles", it seems that when the gentiles are "full", that's it.

I mean, the end of the gospel, the end of the planet.

When the gentiles are finally full, there will be no more conversions, because there won't be a planet left for the gospel to be preached on.

If the gospel were preached, there would be conversions.

But this word "full", seems to mean that's it, no more.
 

abcdef

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I'll tell you again,

This is it!

Jesus is coming for the kingdom!

He will be here after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies!
 

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There is no end of the planet AB - Iran got nothing to do with prophecy.
 

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There is no end of the planet AB - Iran got nothing to do with prophecy.
Oh, yes, you did post a scripture with that.

It said, The earth abides forever, Eccle 1:4.

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But you teach that heaven and earth pass away at the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

If the earth abides forever, how can it pass away at the dest of Jeru.?

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If you say that it is talking about planet earth, then the forever is fulfilled AFTER the dest of Jerusalem, it is still being fulfilled.

That would mean that not everything was fulfilled by 70 ad.

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Which way would you like to go?
 
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first the Jews[Judah] is from the so. tribe, is only one son.
first time the word [Jew] is mentioned in the bible,
they where going to war with Israel.
There is something not quit right about your allegations. Israel was a person, not a place. There was no war with Israel unless Israel was at war with himself.

Genesis32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Iacob, but Israel: for as aprince hast thou power with God, and with men, and hast preuailed.

(Deu 2:29KJV) (As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the Moabites whichdwell in Ar, did unto me;) until I shall pass over Jordan into the land whichthe LORD our God giveth us.

There is something not quit right about your allegations. Israel was a person, not a place. There was no war with Israel unless Israel was at war with himself at least as I read the scripture.

Israel was a person, not a place

as I see it :)-
 
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]literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome.
Good Morning all
Don't have much time. So i can' t take time to ask you questions that you won't think about any way. So i will risk making people angry. Here it goes

A Jew Is simply Some one from the tribe of Judah. Who are not really in Israel. Not all of them any way. They are the line of Kings. But there are still 11 more tribes. 12 If you count the Levites, But then again there inheritance is Christ him self. There will be 12,000 from each tribe that will be delivered up to Death. ( Look that one up. It not what you think ). And the Seal of God in there forehead is they are not deceived by the deception of the end times. Which is in part done by the rapture theory. Gods elect don't fall for it.

Rapture Theory
As i understand it. The Lord will return and rapture church out. Then Anti - christ comes and deceives world. Then True Christ returns. And there are many different theory on the in between things. The church you go to will direct those thoughts.
Problem with Rapture Theory is we are still in the flesh when God returns. It starts in 1 Corinthians 15:12 thru end of chapter. that when the God returns at the last trump ( Seventh Seal ) It will be the start of the Lord day of wrath. Also known as the kingdom of God and The millennium. We are all changed in the twinkling of an eye. Both believer and non believer into our new bodies, Why? Because flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. Flesh can not go into the millennium\The Lord day\Kingdom of God. Because it is corruptible and we have to put on incorruptible. Because Christ\God can't coexist with sin. And when a Baby Christian grows up and start eating the meat of Gods word. They find that God comes with the whole host of the angels because they are with him ( Not just not just believers but non believers also But after Lucifer ( the anti -chrst ) has ben locked up we have a 1000 Years of training. So that everyone has chance after they know the truth. There are those who still won't choose Christ. And those who didn't choose God in the age before

Well i have ran out of time. I will get off here now and wait for the back lash.
Remember i am not afraid of what you guy can do to me. But i am afraid of what God can do to me.
Always remember this. The angles have many names. Angel\Souls\Life force\Energy\Spirit\ and Many more. It depends on what religion you are, as to what you call them. And only God can destroy the soul.

Can i get an Amen[/QUOTE]

After the 7th seal there is silence, I don't see where any trumpet blows.[/QUOTE]


You must think this GOD thingy you keep poking fun at is funny.....Or you would not blatantly call GOD a out and out liar. you said:"literally this is impossible
12 thousand pure bread Jews from each tribe - i don't think so. But if it has a prophetic or symbolic meaning i do see the possible outcome. "


Rem this your soul has to go to one place or the other...There is NO third choice!

 

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Oh, yes, you did post a scripture with that.

It said, The earth abides forever, Eccle 1:4.
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But you teach that heaven and earth pass away at the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

If the earth abides forever, how can it pass away at the dest of Jeru.?
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If you say that it is talking about planet earth, then the forever is fulfilled AFTER the dest of Jerusalem, it is still being fulfilled.

That would mean that not everything was fulfilled by 70 ad.
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Which way would you like to go?
Nice try AB baby......


You know very well that the "heavens and earth" Jesus spoke of was figurative and that he was not speaking of the planet and that the "heavens and earth" of old passed away with the dest of the temp and the sack of Jeru.

John used "heavens and earth" in his revelation when he stated that in the new "earth" there was no more "sea" which represented the Gentile nations as against the "earth" of the physical nation of Israel when the final blow was made that removed the distinction between Gentile and Jews.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Jesus called Israel the "earth":

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Does the planet need salt...maybe a bit of pepper?......
 

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Please consider this,

The 144000 are called the first fruits.

They would be the first fruits of the resurrection. They were resurrected with Jesus.

(There is another group called the first fruits of the kingdom, they accepted Jesus on Pentecost, they are not the 144000)

These souls are with Jesus, seen there by John when the Rev was given. 60 ad-96 ad, about.

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The 144000 may be the actual number of souls, but the number itself is symbolic of perfection, or complete.

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I do not understand what you say

so you believe there are some resurrection?

first resurrection is 144000 and when it happen

when is second resurrection happen?
 

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One more thing to note , if the Fulness of the Gentiles has been completed , why are we here still ???

Why are we still going into the world preaching The Gospel .




Shalom
Because the Last person to become 'saved' has not happened yet. With each one saved, it is getting closer. It serves one other purpose(s). It keeps Satan off Balance. He is one to mimic what God does and He would mimic a Rapture if He knew when it was going to take place. Another purpose is the Great HOPE keeps people looking to heaven. If you and anyone not looking when Jesus Does come back to the CLOUDS, Guess what would probably happen?????

It is very foolish to doubt the sovereignty of God. Millions and Millions of people over the years have come to the bad side of HIM and the Bible tells us what happened to them...

Never mind, the Rapture... Your rapture could be at any time. It is "imminent" Nothing has to happen to cause it to happen. Know what it is.....It is your Death! Yes, when you die, you automatically go to Heaven or you go to Hell (a holding place until the Great WHite Throne).

What many are doing is the same as having a 44 cal. pistol loaded (with the rest of their days in its chambers) to their head and each day pulling the trigger. ONE DAY it will not just CLICK and you will instantly know it?

SLeep tight tonight??????

 
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There is no end of the planet AB - Iran got nothing to do with prophecy.
lets play ur game then.
no end of the planet which is not true but ok.
what about death being the last enemy to be destroyed? all creation is groaning for Jesus' return. rev 21 hasnt been happened yet. u will probably just spiritualize it to mean some spiritual death or whatever.

this is horrible deception. u expect me to believe im in heaven when im in pain?

what about those brethren in the faith who are dealing with serious health issues, some even confined to a wheelchaiir. and u come along and tell them this is new heaven and new earth? horrible