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what about the thief on the cross?was he saved by faith alone?
Yes but his faith manifested itself in this way...'sight' would have said, ''I'm not putting my trust in this person, no matter who he says he is, he's dying in front of my eyes...no way!''
But by faith he looked beyond what he saw and believed what he heard this dying man said and believed Who He was, ''LORD, remember me when you enter into paradise.''
Remarkable faith.
 
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Kerry

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You can read everything I typed and posted. It is what it is. Your conception of the God of the bible has nothing to do with me. Nor am I going to try to change it.
I see, your one of those, I should have picked up on it sooner. My apologies. May God bless you. If believe in God that is.
Hey Cycel wants to Go to an atheist church, maybe you can help him out.
 
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I was forced to accept the will of God for my life. It was either that or hell.
And the truth is I didn't even get to decide that.
It was decided for me.
Its clear from your statement you have not accepted God. Saying you were forced means you havent accepted God. Its a choice thing. The Word clearly states whosoever will let him come. You either come willfully or you dont. Choose ye this day who ye will serve. This is another attack from satan to make God seem less than he is. I shake the dust from my feet, for a testimony against you. For it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of the Lord.
 

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I think it is funny how some try to say they were forced to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Actually its quite sad !!!

Nobody is forced to do anything, even Jesus told His disciples when He sent them out to give the good word not to force it on others. If they listen stay and talk awhile, if not dust your feet off and keep moving.
Are you referring to the following verses?

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Why would the lost sheep of the house of Israel need to hear that the kingdom of heaven is at hand?

Because Jesus said, Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

What else does the New Testament say about the "house of Israel"?

Act_2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act_7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

At the time of Jesus ministry, who is the house of Israel?

Can you make a parallell from "lost sheep" to the "house of Israel"?

We are not the church, separate from Israel...we are Israel, spiritually and grafted in or adopted or original. The assembly is the church and the church is the assembly from the wilderness.

Act 7:31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him,
Act 7:32 Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.
Act 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.
Act 7:34 I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt.
Act 7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
Act 7:36 He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church[SUP]G1577[/SUP] in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

G1577
ἐκκλησία
ekklēsia
ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

H4721
מקהלה מקהל
maqhêl maqhêlâh
mak-hale', mak-hay-law'
From H6950; an assembly: - congregation.

H6950
קהל
qâhal
kaw-hal'
A primitive root; to convoke: - assemble (selves) (together), gather (selves) (together).

LXX related word(s)
G4863 sun ago
G4867 athroizo
G4921 sun istemi
G4867 sun athroizo



Psa 26:12 My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations[SUP]H4721[/SUP] will I bless the LORD.

Psa 68:26 Bless ye God in the congregations[SUP]H4721[/SUP], even the Lord, from the fountain of Israel.

1Ch 16:7 Then on that day David delivered first this psalm to thank the LORD into the hand of Asaph and his brethren.
1Ch 16:8 Give thanks unto the LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the people.
1Ch 16:9 Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works.
1Ch 16:10 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
1Ch 16:11 Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.
1Ch 16:12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
1Ch 16:13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
1Ch 16:14 He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
1Ch 16:15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
1Ch 16:16 Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
1Ch 16:17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
1Ch 16:18 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;
1Ch 16:19 When ye were but few, even a few, and strangers in it.
1Ch 16:20 And when they went from nation to nation, and from one kingdom to another people;
1Ch 16:21 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes,
1Ch 16:22 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
1Ch 16:23 Sing unto the LORD, all the earth; shew forth from day to day his salvation[SUP]H3444[/SUP].
(H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.

LXX related word(s)
G4990 soter = G4990
σωτήρ
sōtēr
so-tare'
From G4982; a deliverer, that is, God or Christ: - saviour.



1Ch 16:24 Declare his glory among the heathen; his marvellous works among all nations.
1Ch 16:25 For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods.
1Ch 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.
1Ch 16:27 Glory and honour are in his presence; strength and gladness are in his place.
1Ch 16:28 Give unto the LORD, ye kindreds of the people, give unto the LORD glory and strength.
1Ch 16:29 Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come before him: worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.
1Ch 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
1Ch 16:31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.
1Ch 16:32 Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof: let the fields rejoice, and all that is therein.
1Ch 16:33 Then shall the trees of the wood sing out at the presence of the LORD, because he cometh to judge the earth.
1Ch 16:34 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.
1Ch 16:35 And say ye, Save us, O God of our salvation, and gather us together, and deliver us from the heathen, that we may give thanks to thy holy name, and glory in thy praise.
1Ch 16:36 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel for ever and ever. And all the people said, Amen, and praised the LORD.

Why did David make emphasis that the LORD God is LORD God of Israel? Because that is who is to be saved!! We must come and accept being grafted in or adopted into "Israel". We are not separate from the God of Israel or His Son who said He only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In the end, we will each be told which of the 12 gates we are to enter and exit from at the temple.

The whole Bible is the story of Israel and her redemption. All of the Bible is relevant today for all believers. God always had a provision plan for non-Israelites to join Israel.

Exo_12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num_15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Num_15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Sorry to be so long, but the true gospel is really much more amazing and less confusing than the separation of Israel and the church traditional man-made doctrine.

Time is almost up. Time to "Come out of her, my people." Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
 
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I see, your one of those, I should have picked up on it sooner. My apologies. May God bless you. If believe in God that is. Hey Cycel wants to Go to an atheist church, maybe you can help him out.
Is this how you deal with rejection?
 
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Its clear from your statement you have not accepted God. Saying you were forced means you havent accepted God. Its a choice thing. The Word clearly states whosoever will let him come. You either come willfully or you dont. Choose ye this day who ye will serve. This is another attack from satan to make God seem less than he is. I shake the dust from my feet, for a testimony against you. For it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of the Lord.
Do you believe this is going to deliver you, out of the hand, of your own words?
 
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You all do not know, that you, do not know. I know that, which you do not know, that you do not know. I enjoy the conversation with you. Thank you.
 

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You all do not know, that you, do not know. I know that, which you do not know, that you do not know. I enjoy the conversation with you. Thank you.
So is this a god delusion? Claiming to know what another does not know. Can we put that to the test?
 
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One thing I love About God's Spirit. No matter how much of it I have. There is always more. I am addicted to the Spirit of God.
 
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Well, I am waiting on you. Put me to the test. I love tests. Because when you do good on them you get a reward. I love to be reward by God. I live for it.
 

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Well, I am waiting on you. Put me to the test. I love tests. Because when you do good on them you get a reward. I love to be reward by God. I live for it.
You already failed the test, exchange of posts 108-110. Sorry.
 
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Today, has been an extremely prosperous day, in the Lord. It seems like they are all getting to be like that. Thank you for your time.
 
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danalee

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Today, has been an extremely prosperous day, in the Lord. It seems like they are all getting to be like that. Thank you for your time.
Praise God. I was sent home from my shift until morning - and I'm not well tonight...so I was just dreading and actually fearing my critical patient would be compromised because I missed the cut off point for calling in sick. God already knew. :)
 
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danalee

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Praise God. I was sent home from my shift until morning - and I'm not well tonight...so I was just dreading and actually fearing my critical patient would be compromised because I missed the cut off point for calling in sick. God already knew. :)
I should explain, it was accidentally double staffed. And that never happens, usually it's understaffed. A small miracle indeed...