The Free Gift of Salvation

[jag1977]

I am reminded of an AWeSoMe song by your post...I share...

Well I seem to be
Haunted by these g-hosts
And I can't decide
Which ones grieve me most

Not wanting to remember
Still, I can't forget
I am dusty
With these old regrets

There are some days
I just wanna cry
There are some ways
I "YOU"s to get by

Well YOU got YOUR cross
And YOUR hymnal too
And YOU say YOUR prayers
Like YOU are supposed to do

And YOU tell ME it's
This thing called 'grace'
Well, I believe YOU,
I see it in YOUR face

There are some days
I just wanna cry
There are some ways
I "use" to get by

.... Ray Wyle Hubbard, there are some days

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unable to do what?

to do ANYTHING for God. period!

how can a person dead in sin do a thing for God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Like you are doing here?

oh do tell.

How am I adding any work of myself to gain salvation?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You do not have to understand anything to be lead by the Spirit.

oh, so you do not need to read the bible? you do not need to be tested, to learn how to grow your faith and your perseverance. God just makes you smart and knowing all things th emoment you are saved?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As you can see I have proved no matter what you do.

You are going to give to God in return for His salvation.

Or you are going to be with those who did not, in the lake of fire.

Whether it be willingly or unwillingly.

you have not proved anything,

If your going to try to do something to earn a gift, you are not going to be in heaven, God will not accept filthy rags (our work) as payment for sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The more I see myself in Christ the more I see myself in the Glory of God.
There is no failure in Christ.

I feel sorry for you. Even paul saw how much of a sinner he was, Calling himself a wretched man.

Maybe one day you will see yourself as that? And maybe then God can help you grow.

 

[cjordan38]

Do you believe this is going to deliver you, out of the hand, of your own words?

Its not my words, for I cannot deliver myself, only the Lord can. Selah

 

[Jabberjaw]

you have not proved anything,

If your going to try to do something to earn a gift, you are not going to be in heaven, God will not accept filthy rags (our work) as payment for sin.

That is a bold statement, Christ was able to do what we could not, he completed the work of the law to perfection, would you say God accepted Christs "filthy rags"?

 

[SeaBass]

you are trying to earn it.

You did the work. not God. thus YOU get the credit, NOT GOD.

You still do not get it.


So according to you, Naaman earned his cleansing and it was not of grace.

 

[SeaBass]

Works cannot produce life. God's Holy Spirit creates life in the soul that is dead. It is God's work in us to produce works. Which works and how many are at God's discretion not yours.

You see as a man sees. God sees as only He can. Where you see nothing God sees a precious child depending on Him in a way that delights only God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You say "works cannot produce life" but yet but doing nothing can produce life? James plainly said by "works a man is justified". Doing nothing produces nothing.

 

[SeaBass]

'Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure,
having this seal, "The Lord knoweth them that are His."
And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.'
(2Tim. 2:19)

Hi Seabass,

Everyone that names the name of Christ should depart from iniquity. They should behave in a manner which honours the Lord Who bought them at such cost. Yet the Lord knows those that are His: and where there is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ there is salvation; there is life through His Name.

There may not be a reward for faithful service, which can be forfeited: but salvation by grace is assured to all who believe unto salvation. That is their 'standing': and it is sure, for it is based on the promises of God in Christ Jesus. Their 'state' is another matter, and they can suffer 'loss', but their life is hid with Christ in God - how sure is that!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi,

You posted "...but salvation by grace is assured to all who believe unto salvation

1) what does the bible mean by the word "believe"? It is not talking about a dead belief only, but a living, viable obedient belief that must be sustained until death, Rev 2:10.

2) what if one does not sustain his belief, will he be saved anyway? No.

 

[SeaBass]

The work GOD is talking about is not physical work,but it is spiritual.

Work before salvation is not acceptable to GOD,because it would not be perfect

For us to be able to have a relationship with GOD,sin had to be punished and that means we had to be pure and in truth.The inward man.

JESUS is pure,but man was weak.The spirit(mans spirit) was willing but the flesh was weak

That sin was punished in the body of JESUS.

Now we have a mediator(those who have faith)in his Finished work.

so when you say nowhere in the bible does the gift of salvation has no condition.Are you talking about physical work or spiritual work?

John 6:27-29

king james version(kjv)
[SUP]27.)[/SUP] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
[SUP]
28.)[/SUP] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[SUP]
29.)[/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Work would be something physically done as Abraham leaving his house land and kindred and offering Issac, Heb 11:8,17. Without those physical obedient works, Abraham would not be saved, but lost being disobedient/sinful.


The work of belief of Jn 6:27-29 requires you do somthing, not just think about it. You must repent, you must confess, you must submitt to baptism, Acts 26:20; Rom 10:9,10; Acts 2:38 in order to become a Christian. Then after becoming a Christian, you must do good owrks to maintain that saved position, Eph 2:10; Mt 25; 1 Jn 3:17; 1 Tim 5:8.

 

[SeaBass]

when John said

king james version(kjv)
[SUP]
27.)[/SUP] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

just in case you were thinking about asking sir
this is talking about labor not for the physical,but labor for the spiritual.

john 6:63

king james version(kjv)

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Strong's definition:

Labour - ergazomai:

1. 
   [*=left]
   to work, labour, do work​
   
   [*=left]
   to trade, to make gains by trading, "do business"​
   
   [*=left]
   to do, work out​
   1. 
      [*=left]
      exercise, perform, commit​
      
      [*=left]
      to cause to exist, produce​
   
   [*=left]
   to work for, earn by working, to acquire​

So labouring is doing something, it is not sitting still doing nothing, not a mere mental assent of the mind.

Jn 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life".

Jesus' words are spirit. Those that obey those words have life, Heb 5:9.

 

[SeaBass]

The gift is free
the terms are conditional

those who refuse to follow and obey God
do not get the free gift
they choose not to have it

Yes.

I can out of my good grace give you a free car, you did nothing to earn it. Yet to get that free car you must do the work of coming to my office to get the keys, title and car. As long as you do nothing you will never get that free car.

There are those on this forum that want the car but do not want to do the work in coming to my office to get it. They want to sit down and do nothing and put demands on me, the gift giver to bring them the car while they do nothing. They are trying to put their own conditions on my free gift.

Do we have the right to put demands on the Gift Giver God and put whatever conditions we want upon HIS free gift? No.

 

[SeaBass]

what about the thief on the cross?was he saved by faith alone?

He is not an example of NT salvation having been promised paradise under the OT law.

Also, as far as we know he may have once been a baptized disciple, Mk 1:5, that later fell away into a life of crime.

 

[SeaBass]

To receive God's free Gift of salvation, you have to give over your own will to Him and obey His will. True or false?

True.

BUt many here want to put THEIR conditions upon God's free gift. Evidently God is not allowed to put HIS condtions upon HIS free gift.

 

[Charlie4god]

This question seems to open up a can of worms. However did we recieve salvation because we were good? What did we do to deserve Christ's love?

 

[ladylynn]

Oh dear dear SeaBass, the thing is you do not know how spiritually bankrupt and retarted we are. We are so spiritually darkened and so spriritually debilitated that we can not even get our sorry selves to the Kings office to pick up the wonderful free "car". Alas, we do not have the ways or the means to do it.

Oh how we tried to go in our own strength like you keep posting SeaBass. Our flesh wanted to and at times "thought" it had arrived! - but - the flesh was too weak even when it got "serious" and got "religious" and wanted to - but it was just toooo far and difficult and impossible a journey. We couldn't follow the directions!!! It was impossible to follow because we couldn't read the writing, it was not in a language we could even understand.

Just when we thought it was a hopless situation, it was Then the KING "HIMSELF" sent HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST to pick up our sorry selves and Jesus took us by the hand and drove us to the office and He got the gift HIMSELF for us and then said to get on board!!!!
He drives the car Himself and we have been following Him ever since

 

[Jabberjaw]

This question seems to open up a can of worms. However did we recieve salvation because we were good? What did we do to deserve Christ's love?

Nothing, that is the Grace part, but obedience to Christ is our part.

 

[SeaBass]

You cannot get saved unless you willingly accept Christ. I don't care what you say. You cannot grow in the Lord unless you do so Willingly. The Holy Spirit will not override your free will.

Jn 7:17 "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine,..."

Rev 22:17 " And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

Man does have a will and must use that will to be saved.