The Holy Spirit convicts of sin

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Why do you have to continually do this proselytizing with copy/pastes from that website? Why don't you communicate from what's inside you?

I communicate all the time about things from the inside of me. The reason I use articles as they explain things out and I don't have to type them out. I believe the same thing as the article so I post it.

Also - a very good thing is that people ask questions at the bottom of the article and I find that useful for people that have legitimate questions and are seeking the truth about things.

I post for the viewers that are interested in the subject as people have talked back and forth endlessly with each other here so the articles are not for those types of people.

The main thing is that they refute what is being said in a clear and concise way in order for people to decide what is actually being said.

There are people on here that are a master sat "baiting" people and taking them on "rabbit trails". This stops that from happening too and the endless back and forth which sometimes produces absolutely nothing and it ends up being just a total waste of time.

So, those are all the reasons why I sometimes use articles from other places.
 
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You guys did more than I thought you would, with only *Stunnedbygrace* getting close. LOL

In your rush to show the pretty damning legal derivative of convicting, rebuking, and refuting, etc., you totally missed the fact that that same, one, single word is used in that passage to describe how "righteousness" is also handled. Are we, then, "rebuked" and "refuted" for being the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus?
 
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I communicate all the time about things from the inside of me. The reason I use articles as they explain things out and I don't have to type them out. I believe the same thing as the article so I post it.

Also - a very good thing is that people ask questions at the bottom of the article and I find that useful for people that have legitimate questions and are seeking the truth about things.

I post for the viewers that are interested in the subject as people have talked back and forth endlessly with each other here so the articles are not for those types of people.

The main thing is that they refute what is being said in a clear and concise way in order for people to decide what is actually being said.

There are people on here that are a master sat "baiting" people and taking them on "rabbit trails". This stops that from happening too and the endless back and forth which sometimes produces absolutely nothing and it ends up being just a total waste of time.

So, those are all the reasons why I sometimes use articles from other places.
IMO what you're doing is against forum rules. Whether they choose to enforce them or not is their business.

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You guys did more than I thought you would, with only *Stunnedbygrace* getting close. LOL

In your rush to show the pretty damning legal derivative of convicting, rebuking, and refuting, etc., you totally missed the fact that that same, one, single word is used in that passage to describe how "righteousness" is also handled. Are we, then, "rebuked" and "refuted" for being the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus?
I already explained that the holy spirit convinces the world of Christ's righteousness.
 
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You guys did more than I thought you would, with only *Stunnedbygrace* getting close. LOL

In your rush to show the pretty damning legal derivative of convicting, rebuking, and refuting, etc., you totally missed the fact that that same, one, single word is used in that passage to describe how "righteousness" is also handled. Are we, then, "rebuked" and "refuted" for being the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus?
Willie could you refresh my memory of which verses you look at to say, I am the righteousness of God? I've never quite gotten it.
 
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Here are some scriptures that talk about the righteousness we have now because we are on with Christ and are in fact in Christ. Our spirit is joined to Him by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....we have a great salvation in our Lord bought by His blood...believe the gospel of the grace of Christ and receive all that He has for us. He's a good, loving Father and a great Lord and Savior!
 
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Oh..I forgot these ones..they are absolutely beautiful!

Folks - if we do not understand that we have become the righteousness of God in Christ because of what Jesus did for us - the gospel and the new creation in Christ will be a mystery and a blurr to us.

I really encourage you to find out about what the Lord Jesus has done for us so that we can become established in the things of the kingdom of our Lord and start to grow up in Him!

Isaiah 54:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
 

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Amen! Romans 10:3 - For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
This seems to fit here :rolleyes: Thank you, Dan :)
 
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I already explained that the holy spirit convinces the world of Christ's righteousness.
But only ONE word is printed on your page in your Bible, describing what the Holy Spirit did there.... and you came running back with a copy/paste of what you say that ONE word (there are NOT two or three different words there) means in that single context.

You cannot say it means two things when it is only one word, used in one place. That is why I said to perhaps benefit from a TRANSLATION study of that word, NOT just a lookup of a Strong's "word" meaning.
 
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But only ONE word is printed on your page in your Bible, describing what the Holy Spirit did there.... and you came running back with a copy/paste of what you say that ONE word (there are NOT two or three different words there) means in that single context.

You cannot say it means two things when it is only one word, used in one place. That is why I said to perhaps benefit from a TRANSLATION study of that word, NOT just a lookup of a Strong's "word" meaning.
The word means to expose, reveal. The word in that context means that the holy spirit reveals to the world Christ's righteousness. Because I go to the father and you see me no more. Get it? We no longer know the man after the flesh. He's in heaven. We can't see him. The spirit witnesses of his righteousness.
 
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Willie could you refresh my memory of which verses you look at to say, I am the righteousness of God? I've never quite gotten it.
I see what you hope to do here.... it happens all the time.

Are you a child of God? Of course you are. But there is no verse telling you that YOU, specifically, are a child of God.
 
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I communicate all the time about things from the inside of me. The reason I use articles as they explain things out and I don't have to type them out. I believe the same thing as the article so I post it.

Also - a very good thing is that people ask questions at the bottom of the article and I find that useful for people that have legitimate questions and are seeking the truth about things.

I post for the viewers that are interested in the subject as people have talked back and forth endlessly with each other here so the articles are not for those types of people.

The main thing is that they refute what is being said in a clear and concise way in order for people to decide what is actually being said.

There are people on here that are a master sat "baiting" people and taking them on "rabbit trails". This stops that from happening too and the endless back and forth which sometimes produces absolutely nothing and it ends up being just a total waste of time.

So, those are all the reasons why I sometimes use articles from other places.
Can I be truthful with you Grace?

I don't read most of the articles you post. I just skip over them.

I can always find something confusing in each article and I refuse to redefine a word like convict because people want it more PC for the prison convicts.

Convict is not the same as condemn, and if you switch them around..it gets too confusing for me...I like to keep it simple.
 
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Do you know of any Atheists who are convinced of Christ's righteousness?
Here it is - plain as day as to who the Lord was talking to in John 16:

Believers and the world - He said 2 different things concerning these 2 groups of people.

The "you" here in the text are the disciples whom Jesus was talking to at the time. Context is important. when looking at all scriptures. The "they" is the world.

John 16:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And He, when He comes, will convict the world ( unbelievers ) concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] concerning sin, because they ( unbelievers ) do not believe in Me;

[SUP]10 [/SUP] and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you ( believers ) no longer see Me;
 
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Do you know of any Atheists who are convinced of Christ's righteousness?
You're misapplying that word meaning. It simply means to show somebody something. Here.

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
ἐλέγχω (elénchō)
2. In the NT the use is restricted. With the accusative of person it means “to show people their sins and summon them to repentance,” either privately (Mt. 18:15) or congregationally (1 Tim. 5:20). The Holy Spirit does this (Jn. 16:8), as also Christ does both now (Rev. 3:19) and at the parousia (Jude 15). No one can do it to Jesus himself (Jn. 8:46). Sinners experience this exposure when faced by the prophetic call (Lk. 3:19), divine instruction (Heb. 12:5), or the law (Jms. 2:9). perí is used to denote the fault (Lk. 3:19), with hóti for elaboration (Jn. 16:9ff.). Correction as well as exposure or conviction is implied; the corresponding action is élenxis (2 Pet. 2:16) or elegmós (2 Tim. 3:16).

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains
33.417 ἐλέγχω; ἔλεγξις, εως f; ἐλεγμός, οῦ m: to state that someone has done wrong, with the implication that there is adequate proof of such wrongdoing—‘to rebuke, to reproach, rebuke, reproach.’
ἐλέγχω: ὁ δὲ Ηρῴδης ὁ τετραάρχης, ἐλεγχόμενος υ’π̓ αυ’τοῦ περὶ Ηρῳδιάδος ‘Herod the tetrarch was rebuked by him because of Herodias’ Lk 3:19; μᾶλλον δὲ καὶ ἐλέγχετε ‘but rather rebuke them’ Eph 5:11.
ἔλεγξις: ὃς μισθὸν ἀδικίας ἠγάπησεν ἔλεγξιν δὲ ἔσχεν ἰδίας παρανομίας ‘who loved the money he would get for doing wrong and was reproached for his transgression’ 2 Pe 2:15–16.
ἐλεγμός: πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος καὶ ὠφέλιμος πρὸς διδασκαλίαν, πρὸς ἐλεγμόν ‘all Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for rebuking’ 2 Tm 3:16.

A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament
ἐλέγχω (aor. pass. ἠλέγχθην ) show (someone his) fault or error, convince (someone) of (his) fault or error; show (something) up for what it is; prove guilty, condemn; rebuke, reprove

Synonyms of the New Testament, 9th ed.
... ἐλέγχειν is a much more pregnant word; it is so to rebuke another, with such effectual wielding of the victorious arms of the truth, as to bring him, if not always to a confession, yet at least to a conviction, of his sin (Job 5:17; Prov. 19:25), just as in juristic Greek, ἐλέγχειν is not merely to reply to, but to refute, an opponent.

... ἔλεγχος implies not merely the charge, but the truth of the charge, and further the manifestation of the truth of the charge; nay more than all this, very often also the acknowledgment, if not outward, yet inward, of its truth on the part of the accused; it being the glorious prerogative of the truth in its highest operation not merely to assert itself, and to silence the adversary, but to silence him by convincing him of his error.

Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words
CONVICT (including the KJV, “convince”)
1. elencho (ἐλέγχω, 1651) signifies (a) “to convict, confute, refute,” usually with the suggestion of putting the convicted person to shame; see Matt. 18:15, where more than telling the offender his fault is in view; it is used of “convicting” of sin, John 8:46; 16:8; gainsayers in regard to the faith, Titus 1:9; transgressors of the Law, Jas. 2:9; some texts have the verb in John 8:9; (b) “to reprove,” 1 Cor. 14:24, RV (for KJV, “convince”), for the unbeliever is there viewed as being reproved for, or “convicted” of, his sinful state; so in Luke 3:19; it is used of reproving works, John 3:20; Eph. 5:11, 13; 1 Tim. 5:20; 2 Tim. 4:2; Titus 1:13; 2:15; all these speak of reproof by word of mouth. In Heb. 12:5 and Rev. 3:19, the word is used of reproving by action. See FAULT, REBUKE, REPROVE.
 
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In your rush to show the pretty damning legal derivative of convicting, rebuking, and refuting, etc., you totally missed the fact that that same, one, single word is used in that passage to describe how "righteousness" is also handled. Are we, then, "rebuked" and "refuted" for being the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus?
Could you clarify?
 
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Can I be truthful with you Grace?

I don't read most of the articles you post. I just skip over them.

I can always find something confusing in each article and I refuse to redefine a word like convict because people want it more PC for the prison convicts.

Convict is not the same as condemn, and if you switch them around..it gets too confusing for me...I like to keep it simple.
Hi Ariel,

It's ok if you don't read them - I understand. I have had many people Pm me and thank me for those articles and videos as it has helped them to grow in the Lord. Because of that I will continue to post them but I do understand if some people do not want to read them. No problem!....:)
 
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I see what you hope to do here.... it happens all the time.

Are you a child of God? Of course you are. But there is no verse telling you that YOU, specifically, are a child of God.
The Spirit himself confirms to our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16
 
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Hi Ariel,

It's ok if you don't read them - I understand. I have had many people Pm me and thank me for those articles and videos as it has helped them to grow in the Lord. Because of that I will continue to post them but I do understand if some people do not want to read them. No problem!....:)
Might want to pm a mod and make sure it's not breaking any rules. Or report your own post and ask if it okay or if you need to stop....
 
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Can I be truthful with you Grace?

I don't read most of the articles you post. I just skip over them.

I can always find something confusing in each article and I refuse to redefine a word like convict because people want it more PC for the prison convicts.

Convict is not the same as condemn, and if you switch them around..it gets too confusing for me...I like to keep it simple.
But, you are not keeping it simple. If God remembers your lawless deeds no more, how are you "convicted" of them? You are reminded that what you may have just done an hour ago is not who you are, nor what the Father wants for you, but you are not put down or guilt-laden or shamed about your short fall. You are (or at least, I am) reminded that our Father will help us do better.