The truth of the matter is that the word of the Lord is not in the "Letter", the letter killeth and that's why we argue here. The word of the Lord is hidden underneath the text and in the shadows and patterns. Can you image a measly translator being able to translate things the right way so as to use the right words to hide the real word of God underneath the text... most translators don't even know the hidden message even exists.
The King James Only Debate
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That's why we use concordances Dan. Each English word has a meaning in Hebrew and even numbers.
Consider 4. North, south, east, west. The four corners of the earth. Or the sheep, 4 legged creatures. So much to Hebrew and greek.
As far as ascribing meaning or thought to what is exactly being said? Topical studies come into play.
Consider 4. North, south, east, west. The four corners of the earth. Or the sheep, 4 legged creatures. So much to Hebrew and greek.
As far as ascribing meaning or thought to what is exactly being said? Topical studies come into play.
How would you explain, or rather, defend the verses of modern bibles to a stereotypical ethnicity, that is critiquing the sensitive topic of slavery justifiable by scriptures? All the MAJOR changes of the KJV has been Catholic influenced from these codex "mysteriously" resurfacing from monasteries or temples being kept by monks. The same Roman Catholics who were inspired to do missionary works like the Jesuits, Crusaders, Knights Templars, Freemasons all under the Papacy.
Which influenced in owning slaves of the Africans & Indigenous people justifying them with "Christianity". That reputation has stained ALL of Christianity with minorities, now they look at Christians as racist white folks or brainwashed indoctrinated minorities all following the "white man's religion" of the blonde hair, blue eyes paintings of Jesus Christ.
Which religion do they mostly turn to now? The religion of Islam bc they feel more "accepted". With reputations as the KKK & Hitler ( who was a baptized skeptic catholic NOT christian) the subject of slavery in MOSTLY all moden bibles is a harsh topic. When in the preserved KJV version the word "slave" isn't even mention that ik of.
Ephesians 6:5 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
Titus (2:9-10) - Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
Leviticus (25:44-46) - Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Which influenced in owning slaves of the Africans & Indigenous people justifying them with "Christianity". That reputation has stained ALL of Christianity with minorities, now they look at Christians as racist white folks or brainwashed indoctrinated minorities all following the "white man's religion" of the blonde hair, blue eyes paintings of Jesus Christ.
Which religion do they mostly turn to now? The religion of Islam bc they feel more "accepted". With reputations as the KKK & Hitler ( who was a baptized skeptic catholic NOT christian) the subject of slavery in MOSTLY all moden bibles is a harsh topic. When in the preserved KJV version the word "slave" isn't even mention that ik of.
Ephesians 6:5 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
Titus (2:9-10) - Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
Leviticus (25:44-46) - Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Ok then does this fit randomness. The number 9 whether it has a 0 behind it or not represents fruit bearing. The Holy Spirit (not us) causes us to bear fruit. Pneuma is the Greek word for spirit. KJV translators know this wery well. They chose to translate the same Greek word pneuma as Holy Ghost 90 times... 9 means fruit bearing. They chose Spirit 7 other times... 7 means fulness or completeness.
Did this number pattern in the KJV occur randomly or did someone make it happen?
Did this number pattern in the KJV occur randomly or did someone make it happen?
Dan, same here. 13 represents love both good and bad. Why would the KJV translators use exactly 13 words to talk about the mother of harlot love, the NASB uses 14 words. Is this random chance?
Revelation 17:5 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH .
Revelation 17:5 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH .
It''s also done that way to hide the wisdom of God from the wisdom of the world.... also using this method, the word of God can't be "figured out", it has to be revealed by God... he has to let you see it.
Edit to add: And you can't see it if you don't believe every single word is right. I know that from experience.
Edit to add: And you can't see it if you don't believe every single word is right. I know that from experience.
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46 is the number for trials and tribulation for man, it is also the number of human DNA. A place in the bible says "ye are of your father the devil". Is it random chance that the KJV translators used exactly 46 words when they translated the words that the serpent spoke to Eve in the garden?
Genesis 3:1-5 KJV
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? [2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. [4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: [5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:1-5 KJV
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? [2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. [4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: [5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Problem is you will take the KIng James as "scripture" but nothing else but I agree with what you say that Gods fingerprint is on the Bible, but as I read the NIV etc and see it says the same thing, it is same word of God.
If you think that the King James has unique numerology contained within it, then please share that and give me an example please.
Let's fling some slander... that will add so much to this conversation! (umm, no.)
This is a category error. "Lying" is knowingly presenting something known to be false as truth. Presenting as truth something that is not true, but which is not known to be untrue, is not lying, but error or ignorance. A preschool child might state, "2 + 2 = 5" and not be "lying". One who has not done enough research, or who has done their research too narrowly, may make a similar mistake.
This is a category error. "Lying" is knowingly presenting something known to be false as truth. Presenting as truth something that is not true, but which is not known to be untrue, is not lying, but error or ignorance. A preschool child might state, "2 + 2 = 5" and not be "lying". One who has not done enough research, or who has done their research too narrowly, may make a similar mistake.
I agree with most of what you're saying.
now, if we all use the kjv, I think there will still be times when people will understand the text differently... partly because the kjv contains dark sayings
PROVERBS 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
now, if we all use the kjv, I think there will still be times when people will understand the text differently... partly because the kjv contains dark sayings
PROVERBS 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.
I believe the KJV is inerrant and I am KJV only FOR ME. Unfortunately I get lumped into the KJV only cult because of my belief. I agree there is a KJV only cult and I am not a part of that group. No group or pastor made me KJV only, I became KJV only on my own by studying it.
If you can get things out of the NIV then that's great, I read the NIV for 15 years but I couldn't get any of this from the NIV. I would like to give you an example of why I'm KJV only. Please look it over and see the point I'm trying to make.
The KJV is clearly talking about David's DNA and the body of Christ in Psalm 139. I will talk about David's DNA but not the body of Christ (the church).
In the KJV God saw David's substance (body parts), yet being unperfect (not formed); and in God's book (David's book of DNA) all David's members (hands, feet, eyes, hair) were written. Which in continuance were fashioned ( the book has been written since the foundation of the world) when as yet there was no David.
Psalm 139:16King James Version (KJV)
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
tThe NIV may say the same thing but I can't get that out of NASB. To me it looks like the book in the NASB is the number days ordained for David.
Psalm 139:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
If you can get things out of the NIV then that's great, I read the NIV for 15 years but I couldn't get any of this from the NIV. I would like to give you an example of why I'm KJV only. Please look it over and see the point I'm trying to make.
The KJV is clearly talking about David's DNA and the body of Christ in Psalm 139. I will talk about David's DNA but not the body of Christ (the church).
In the KJV God saw David's substance (body parts), yet being unperfect (not formed); and in God's book (David's book of DNA) all David's members (hands, feet, eyes, hair) were written. Which in continuance were fashioned ( the book has been written since the foundation of the world) when as yet there was no David.
Psalm 139:16King James Version (KJV)
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
tThe NIV may say the same thing but I can't get that out of NASB. To me it looks like the book in the NASB is the number days ordained for David.
Psalm 139:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
there are tons of number patterns in the kjv... or any book... possibly your mind latched onto this particular one and rejected other meanings that could be attached.
for example
1 SAMUEL 4:15 Now Eli was ninety and eight years old; and his eyes were dim, that he could not see.
ninety means Eli was full of the fruit of the spirit, and eight is the number of completion, so Eli was completely full of the spirit.
for example
1 SAMUEL 4:15 Now Eli was ninety and eight years old; and his eyes were dim, that he could not see.
ninety means Eli was full of the fruit of the spirit, and eight is the number of completion, so Eli was completely full of the spirit.