The Law Debacle Resolved

[PeterJens]

The area of dispute is around righteousness & purity

Jesus preached we should obey his commands, ie do them.
We are also told if we believe in his ministry, death and resurrection, we will be saved.

But the core issue what does it mean to be a slave to righteousness.

Some have said to look at the law and think about it is legalism, rather than discovering Gods precepts as David and the prophets continually expound.

The other problem is accepting the power of love working through ones heart.
What this means is remaking emotional connections, healing hurts, changing behaviour. For some reason this is not thought by some to be part of being a christian.

I listen to a testimony of a prostitute and porn performer, who was also schizophrenic, to whom all these things happened. The key issue was trust and faith, knowing God loved her. She is now a happy mother of kids etc.

I know this is how God works in the worst cases, so maybe you have never been that far away from life or righteousness, but it still does not deny the reality.

One thing I am convinced of those who seem so certain of things, often are the ones holding on to some stability because they are scared some buried emotion will sweep it all away. The lesson I learnt, is you have to let go, and trust the Lord.

 

[Galahad]

Some of you may not know, but beware. She's about. You will be sorry! You will be. You will be.

If she can believe God has nothing but an opinion, there's no telling where she will end. IMO

 

[atwhatcost]

Not going to play this game either.

Brilliant. I never invited you to.

However, what I did ask nicely -- three times -- you didn't answer, so I guess your game is

 

[PeterJens]

How do you know you are biblical?
You are walking in love and the intent of scripture agrees with you.

So much meaning involves more than one idea, so it is easy to get things out of balance.
Liberation theology, prosperity gospel, aestheticism, the priesthood, celebacy, monks, nuns etc.

If one gets that feeling I have sussed, I know you are looking at too small an area.

I have seen to elders fall apart, fall into sexual sin, divorce, one have a mental collapse over things they were certain about but in reality had much deeper problems.

We need righteousness, purity, holiness, and the apostles say we can achieve it.
But how many of you believe the bible?

 

[atwhatcost]

Actually, Jesus Christ is not just 'king of the Jews', but King over all Israel. The title of Jew began with the small remnant of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and strangers that also took that title, that returned from the 70 years Babylon captivity back to Jerusalem. The majority of the "house of Israel" (i.e., ten tribes) were still scattered abroad and were not part of that Babylon captivity, nor return. (This per the Jewish historian Josephus who lived around 100 A.D.).

Just because our Heavenly Father did not cause the "house of Judah" to lose their heritage as part of Israel does not mean to omit the larger part of Israel ("house of Israel") that God scattered first, especially since He gave us plenty of Scripture to show the ten tribes will be gathered back with the "house of Judah" in final.

Be careful on counting on Josephus. He also said that there was a terrible plague in Egypt, so some barely-known guy name Moses brought out the survivors.

I think it's incredible that Josephus tried to tell the whole of the history without the resources we have today, but it also causes problems in what he did believe was history.

 

[Galahad]

After the Embers have ignited the fuel, the flames burned and burned. This is the aftermath. Don't listen to insults. You are valuable to the Lord God Almighty. No matter what anyone tells you.

 

[Least]

Paul did not teach from the scripture. He used scripture to prove Christ was the messiah promised by the law and the prophets.

Paul did not go around telling gentiles to observe and obey the law. He spent most of his writings teaching against this, since he had to fight with people like just-me trying to say, yes, we can be saved by grace, but we have to now live by the law.

In fact the NT goes as far to say, if you going to obey one aspect of the law. your indebted to follow the whole law (not some watered down version)

I keep seeing people say that others are telling people to obey the law rather than to follow Jesus. I can't figure out where that's coming from. Each person that I've seen address aspects of the law have taken it further than fleshy ordinances. Paul knew that there was more to it than just the natural motions.

I'm having a little trouble understanding where the contention is coming from. Sometimes it's seems that no reply will be considered sufficient for some.

Paul called the scriptures HOLY. He told Timothy to continue in them. He most certainly didn't tell Timothy to disregard any part of the written word, including the law.

2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

In the above statement to Timothy, Paul included, "knowing of whom thou hast learned them." In another passage Paul said, "If indeed you have been taught by HIM as the truth is in Christ." I have seen a lot of people say the same here on the forums while not excluding any part of the written word, Just as Paul didn't exclude any of it.


So where's all the contention coming from? I'm starting to picture people doing this:

 

[Galahad]

But it doesn't bother you that ember and her comrades are far nastier than saying "snotty" to several people in here? Wow.
"Then Kefa addressed them: "I now understand that God does not play favorites," Acts 10:34

I tried to warn you. Does Ember even realize the havoc and disturbance she's caused with her belittling of members, constant belittling and insults and rude remarks. She tops the list of such folks who do. No mercy from her.

 

[Galahad]

After the Embers have ignited the fuel, the flames burned and burned. This is the aftermath. Don't listen to insults. You are valuable to the Lord God Almighty. No matter what anyone tells you.

View attachment 137199

And that's minor damage compared to ruins left by many of her other assaults.

 

[just-me]

How do you know you are biblical?
You are walking in love and the intent of scripture agrees with you.

So much meaning involves more than one idea, so it is easy to get things out of balance.
Liberation theology, prosperity gospel, aestheticism, the priesthood, celebacy, monks, nuns etc.

If one gets that feeling I have sussed, I know you are looking at too small an area.

I have seen to elders fall apart, fall into sexual sin, divorce, one have a mental collapse over things they were certain about but in reality had much deeper problems.

We need righteousness, purity, holiness, and the apostles say we can achieve it.
But how many of you believe the bible?

It's all or nothing. There is no middle ground. If all would be humble enough to know all of God's word applies to all Christians, then we could begin to walk together as should be. At the beginning we know very little, but that should never be an excuse to not believe in all of God's word.

"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things." 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

Recently, we can all see that the division is widening.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How do you know you are biblical?
You are walking in love and the intent of scripture agrees with you.

So much meaning involves more than one idea, so it is easy to get things out of balance.
Liberation theology, prosperity gospel, aestheticism, the priesthood, celebacy, monks, nuns etc.

If one gets that feeling I have sussed, I know you are looking at too small an area.

I have seen to elders fall apart, fall into sexual sin, divorce, one have a mental collapse over things they were certain about but in reality had much deeper problems.

We need righteousness, purity, holiness, and the apostles say we can achieve it.
But how many of you believe the bible?

Me wonders how many of those so called elders would still be walking if they lived under the guise of grace and not legalism. Where they could confess their thoughts to brothers or sisters in christ before that temptation led to sin, because they were to afraid to tell anyone they were weak..

God does not want stand alone Christians.

 

[Galahad]

Wow! Jesus said, It's better to give than to receive.
Ember? Are you there. Direct from her profile page:


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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Wow! Jesus said, It's better to give than to receive.
Ember? Are you there. Direct from her profile page:


Likes Received (2957)

Likes Given (1014)

Please go away.

 

[atwhatcost]

I keep seeing people say that others are telling people to obey the law rather than to follow Jesus. I can't figure out where that's coming from. Each person that I've seen address aspects of the law have taken it further than fleshy ordinances. Paul knew that there was more to it than just the natural motions.

I'm having a little trouble understanding where the contention is coming from. Sometimes it's seems that no reply will be considered sufficient for some.

Paul called the scriptures HOLY. He told Timothy to continue in them. He most certainly didn't tell Timothy to disregard any part of the written word, including the law.

2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

In the above statement to Timothy, Paul included, "knowing of whom thou hast learned them." In another passage Paul said, "If indeed you have been taught by HIM as the truth is in Christ." I have seen a lot of people say the same here on the forums while not excluding any part of the written word, Just as Paul didn't exclude any of it.


So where's all the contention coming from? I'm starting to picture people doing this: View attachment 137198

It's from 3-4 weeks of two sides slamming each other. One side thinks the other side believes they're saved by the law. The other side thinks those people think they are saved by anarchy. It IS children bickering, instead of adults listening.

I came to this post because I'm sure Jaume isn't on either side too, but now that one post where most of the bickering was happening has been closed, the bickers have chosen to come here to keep snarling.

I'm just reporting the children now in hopes we can get back to remembering we're grownups.

 

[Least]

It's all or nothing. There is no middle ground. If all would be humble enough to know all of God's word applies to all Christians, then we could begin to walk together as should be. At the beginning we know very little, but that should never be an excuse to not believe in all of God's word.

"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things." 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

Recently, we can all see that the division is widening.

Only way to make certain things fit some doctrines is to use a pair of these to make revision...I guess.

 

[Galahad]

Please go away.

No. Now what?

 

[Galahad]

Please go away.

You must have been one of the few who've received a like from Ember! What an honor.

 

[PeterJens]

Wow! Jesus said, It's better to give than to receive.
Ember? Are you there. Direct from her profile page:
Likes Received (2957)

Likes Given (1014)

I hate to suggest it is becoming too important to you. My experience about people is anyone can appear to agree with the obvious. It is the difficult issues, when there is conflict you see peoples fruit.

She really got to you. You can plant in yourself a root of bitterness, and it can be fed.
Jesus talked about rising above, love your enemy, love your fellow believers, even in their crazy words or accusations or miss-reading etc. I remember something once really got to me, but it was because I wanted somehow to be recognised a particular way, and it bugged me if I wasn't. My enemy took this and played with it, until I resolved it within myself, and the issue was done with. We all have these issues, sounds like she touched one in you.

I am not preaching I am just sharing as one poor sinner as vulnerable as anyone to my own weaknesses and ego.
I hope this is helpful.

 

[Galahad]

I hate to suggest it is becoming too important to you. My experience about people is anyone can appear to agree with the obvious. It is the difficult issues, when there is conflict you see peoples fruit.

She really got to you. You can plant in yourself a root of bitterness, and it can be fed.
Jesus talked about rising above, love your enemy, love your fellow believers, even in their crazy words or accusations or miss-reading etc. I remember something once really got to me, but it was because I wanted somehow to be recognised a particular way, and it bugged me if I wasn't. My enemy took this and played with it, until I resolved it within myself, and the issue was done with. We all have these issues, sounds like she touched one in you.

I am not preaching I am just sharing as one poor sinner as vulnerable as anyone to my own weaknesses and ego.
I hope this is helpful.

PeterJen,
You are good. You are. Blessings upon you.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No. Now what?

You've been reported for causing trouble.