The Law Debacle Resolved
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The discussion appears to be simple. Should we obey Jesus's commands as disciples?
The answer is yes, He commanded us to. It is sin to disobey Jesus.
If you disobey Jesus you are in sin. It was this very obedience that the apostles said confirmed their salvation and reality.
Paul described this as being free from sin and a slave to righteousness.
It is impossible to love unless God has placed that love in your heart.
So without being born again, you cannot obey Jesus. You cannot be born again without believing in Him.
So the question then comes why are people saying you do not have to obey, sinning, and still claiming they are born again?
Because love has not yet taken hold in their hearts. If it had they would not speak like this, because their hearts would have confirmed the very reality I am speaking.
Love is pre-eminent. I am just sharing scripture and what it teaches and what my heart testifies to.
Too many times I have heard people preach other gospels so I know this is the real thing because this is what the apostles preached and experienced.
A common missreading -
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Matt 7:7
This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
1 John 5:14
Salvation is for a purpose, that purpose is to purchase a people who will walk in righteousness and not sin.
Many deny this reality, and want to justify the lack of focus and constant failure, rather than ask the deeper question, do I really love from the heart?
The answer is yes, He commanded us to. It is sin to disobey Jesus.
If you disobey Jesus you are in sin. It was this very obedience that the apostles said confirmed their salvation and reality.
Paul described this as being free from sin and a slave to righteousness.
It is impossible to love unless God has placed that love in your heart.
So without being born again, you cannot obey Jesus. You cannot be born again without believing in Him.
So the question then comes why are people saying you do not have to obey, sinning, and still claiming they are born again?
Because love has not yet taken hold in their hearts. If it had they would not speak like this, because their hearts would have confirmed the very reality I am speaking.
Love is pre-eminent. I am just sharing scripture and what it teaches and what my heart testifies to.
Too many times I have heard people preach other gospels so I know this is the real thing because this is what the apostles preached and experienced.
A common missreading -
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Matt 7:7
This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
1 John 5:14
Salvation is for a purpose, that purpose is to purchase a people who will walk in righteousness and not sin.
Many deny this reality, and want to justify the lack of focus and constant failure, rather than ask the deeper question, do I really love from the heart?
i want to go home, no more tears, no more pain, no more lawlessness, just perfect peace, everyone living in harmony, honoring our Creator. But since He is being so patient waiting for us to get it together, i'll just keep waiting for His return. And will try and keep my hands out of the cookie jar, because i know He is watching.
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Can you direct me to the verse in the Bible where it states that we receive salvation through keeping the law? 
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
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I will take it that you couldn't find the verse? Nice, debate over once and for all thank you brother...
thank you brother...
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What is so hard about it.
If I have to be obedient to be saved
If I have to be obedient to maintain my salvation
If I have to be obedient or I will lose my salvation.
I am saved by my obedience (works) not my faith, and thus I am a legalist.
Now. If I AM obedient, Because I have faith in God, He saved e, And he empowered me to sanctify me. We are talking about a different thing altogether.
As Jesus said, If you love me, keep my commands (we love because he first loved us)
He also said those who obey him have eternal life. We obey because we are saved, adopted and made his children..
If I have to be obedient to be saved
If I have to be obedient to maintain my salvation
If I have to be obedient or I will lose my salvation.
I am saved by my obedience (works) not my faith, and thus I am a legalist.
Now. If I AM obedient, Because I have faith in God, He saved e, And he empowered me to sanctify me. We are talking about a different thing altogether.
As Jesus said, If you love me, keep my commands (we love because he first loved us)
He also said those who obey him have eternal life. We obey because we are saved, adopted and made his children..
Again............to remind all. Remember the worthless servant who buried the talent of gold until the Master returned. So it is with grace only folks. Gold is faith; if we do nothing with the faith given us, it is not acceptable by our Master.
That street in Heaven is paved with gold so pure you can see into it like glass. That gold is the faith of the saints.
The King's crown is made up of His saints, Isaiah. And many more references...........
That street in Heaven is paved with gold so pure you can see into it like glass. That gold is the faith of the saints.
The King's crown is made up of His saints, Isaiah. And many more references...........
But faith and love are a commandment. Commandments require obedience. It's an easy yoke, but it's still a yoke. We are under law; it's just not the law of Moses. It's the law of the spirit of life in Christ.
And this is his commandment: that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he commanded us. And the one who keeps his commandments resides in him, and he in him. And by this we know that he resides in us: by the Spirit whom he has given to us. 1 John 3:23-24
And this is his commandment: that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he commanded us. And the one who keeps his commandments resides in him, and he in him. And by this we know that he resides in us: by the Spirit whom he has given to us. 1 John 3:23-24
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see this is wrong..
Faith works, There is no such things as grace apart from faith. The one who hid his talent was shown grace, but he had no faith, only fear. Thats why he hid it.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’
I am sure you can read, how did you miss the fact this person had fear??
You give yourself to much credit JJ.. Why do you want to hand God dirty rags, when all he asks for is your faith and trust in him, to do a great work in and through you?
Faith works, There is no such things as grace apart from faith. The one who hid his talent was shown grace, but he had no faith, only fear. Thats why he hid it.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’
I am sure you can read, how did you miss the fact this person had fear??
You give yourself to much credit JJ.. Why do you want to hand God dirty rags, when all he asks for is your faith and trust in him, to do a great work in and through you?
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