The Law Debacle Resolved

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eternally-gratefull

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I'm out of this. This is nothing but confusion and I know who fathers that

mind if I ask what is so confusing?
we do not want that.
 
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Do what Jesus teaches and did.





Above is what is given in the OP as the resolving of the grace and obedience-grace only disputing. I have changed it from law-grace because detractors keep reading it as being under the law. It should make no difference since obedience is doing what God says, not what traditions and doctrines of man say.

My point in this post is that even with this simple solution there are people who hate obedience so much they will distort the meaning of the resolution.

If it is wrong to suffer with Christ, then I am wrong, and all who share in His Example by trying to be as much as He was walking the earth as is possible..

Stop..........all who do this, telling the obedient children to be disobedient for they all share the righteousness of God through the gift of faith.
you folks who want to do what Jesus did....you didn't die for me...and the way you throw insults around, I don't think you are doing what Jesus did

you 'sound' like a platitude possibly in your own ears, but you make other believers cringe with your holier than thou attitude

you write about obedient vs disobedient

what you really mean, is YOU vs those who disagree

My point in this post is that even with this simple solution there are people who hate obedience so much they will distort the meaning of the resolution.
those people are going to hell

believers are not going to hell

you need to see past your own version of the gospel, which is intolerant of any view but your own and no more like Jesus than Jim Jones

you are not Jesus...we are not Jesus...only Jesus is Jesus and you can only do some of what He did...He has forgiveness of sins and all the righteousness we will need already covered

don't fall off your high horse
 
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Finding more fault in the teachings of the Word? I think you are the one being the fancy vocabulary......
I am finding it needful to resort to a colloquialism, get real, and do your nit-picking where it is truly necessary. We are expect to "pick up or cross" and follow Him. What will you ask next? "Where are the crosses?"
you are not a teacher

you fancy yourself a teacher, and would like to put on the robes of a teacher

however, you keep tripping on the outfit

you fancy yourself a teacher in your own eyes...shall we call you Rabbi?

you need to be taught cause you don't have an understanding of the finished work of Christ and worse, you believe you will finish it for Him!
 

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Remember the worthless servant. Do not be such. In our faith we ae motivated to do good works as we die daily with our blessed Jesus. We pick up our cross and walk with Him. Some are gifted with one gift, others another, and we use them during our walk, working out our salvation.

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Again............to remind all. Remember the worthless servant who buried the talent of gold until the Master returned. So it is with grace only folks. Gold is faith; if we do nothing with the faith given us, it is not acceptable by our Master.

That street in Heaven is paved with gold so pure you can see into it like glass. That gold is the faith of the saints.

The King's crown is made up of His saints, Isaiah. And many more references...........
 
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Remember the worthless servant. Do not be such. In our faith we ae motivated to do good works as we die daily with our blessed Jesus. We pick up our cross and walk with Him. Some are gifted with one gift, others another, and we use them during our walk, working out our salvation.

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one only buries his gold when he is scared. One must fear for his life to do this..


One who has faith does not fear. he trusts.. He does not have to worry about failing, He has a father that loves him and will help him next time,
 
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This is why I'm confused. People accusing those who obey God of legalism. Like I said before God can't use a person that is not willing to do His work. That's what I see. People telling God how they are not gonna do anything, yet expect heaven
well, you are no more confused then others here who cannot seem to grasp grace or faith

you are not actually God's little helper...He can get it done without your help

the things is, certain of you are believing that your help provides a better salvation than what God has already given

anyone would be confused believing that as that is the opposite of what scripture teaches

so, maybe you all should lay it down at Jesus feet

People telling God how they are not gonna do anything, yet expect heaven
please provide the member names who have stated what you write above

 

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Yup, what part of FREE don't you all understand?

Romans 5:15-18 KJV
[15] But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. [16] And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. [17] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [18] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 

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"...present... your members as instruments of righteousness to God" (Romans 6:13). In obeying God is on my side, so that the grace of God and my obedience are in perfect agreement. Obedience means that i have completely placed my trust in the atonement, and my obedience is immediately met by the delight of the supernatural grace of God. Beware of human holiness that denies the reality of the natural life-it is fraud.
Yes we are to act like God's children because we are His Children...not to become His children.
 

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The gift of faith is treasure to our Father, and of course to all who receive it.

Faith is likened to gold throughout he Word.

Our God teaches us that He refines us, but not as gold or silver, rather in the furnace of affliction. He goes on to say He does this for His own sake that we not be cut off. His reason is not our reason,.

In the parable about the servants being given talents of gold to administer while the Master was gone away, the gold is the gift of faith.

When we receive the gift of faith, it is our talent of gold. One may work to increase his talent of gold in sharing with others this faith increasing his talent by one, two, three, or many more. When the Master returns He is pleased with the servants who increased the number of talents, that is the faithful.

But the servant who buried his talent, and did nothing was considered worthless by the Master and was cast out into th e outer darkness.

So servants who do something with the faith given them will be rewarded, but those who do nothing will be cast into the outer darkness,.

Are you doing anything at all with your faith? The mere fact that ou are working in these forums tells me you are, but if you rest on receiving the gift of faith and doing nothing, well, you know the consequences of this non-action,. Even worse to encourage other to do nothing is producing more worthless servants. If you are a servant of the Mos High Go in Jesus Chrsit yo will do and not just talk a lot.
 
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Mathew 5:6, Mathew 5:10, Matthew 6:33, Luke 1:75, Acts 10:35, Acts 13:10, Romans 1:17, Romans 6:13, Romans 6:19-20, 1 Corinthians 15:34.
 
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The gift of faith is treasure to our Father, and of course to all who receive it.

Faith is likened to gold throughout he Word.

Our God teaches us that He refines us, but not as gold or silver, rather in the furnace of affliction. He goes on to say He does this for His own sake that we not be cut off. His reason is not our reason,.

In the parable about the servants being given talents of gold to administer while the Master was gone away, the gold is the gift of faith.

When we receive the gift of faith, it is our talent of gold. One may work to increase his talent of gold in sharing with others this faith increasing his talent by one, two, three, or many more. When the Master returns He is pleased with the servants who increased the number of talents, that is the faithful.

But the servant who buried his talent, and did nothing was considered worthless by the Master and was cast out into th e outer darkness.

So servants who do something with the faith given them will be rewarded, but those who do nothing will be cast into the outer darkness,.

Are you doing anything at all with your faith? The mere fact that ou are working in these forums tells me you are, but if you rest on receiving the gift of faith and doing nothing, well, you know the consequences of this non-action,. Even worse to encourage other to do nothing is producing more worthless servants. If you are a servant of the Mos High Go in Jesus Chrsit yo will do and not just talk a lot.

The one who hid his talent HAD NO FAITH, HE HAD FEAR.

What part of NO FAITH do you not understand?

That person did not get sent to hell because he di dnot do any work, he went to hell because he did not believe.


As Jesus himself said, He who believes HAS eternal life, He who does not believe shall never see life but the wrath of God abides in him.
 
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Mathew 5:6, Mathew 5:10, Matthew 6:33, Luke 1:75, Acts 10:35, Acts 13:10, Romans 1:17, Romans 6:13, Romans 6:19-20, 1 Corinthians 15:34.
Non of those passages tell us to work to earn eternal life. or to keep our salvation.

 
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I understand what folks are discussing....Following the law is Self empowerment.

I prefer to rest in Jesus and his grace. Have the spirit empower me and give me strength and discernment. I am sure the spirit knows the law and how to counsel me.


Kefa
 

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I disagree, when you say it is required, you are placing a person under law.

when you say it is of faith and love, A person willingly wants to obey, and learn, Because he has an abba father not a dictator.
no matter, the word promise' is not in their vocabulary.
 

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The Master has given us faith, and faith leads to grace. If we bury our talent, out faith, it is not leading to grace, it is dead.

I understand what folks are discussing....Following the law is Self empowerment.

I prefer to rest in Jesus and his grace. Have the spirit empower me and give me strength and discernment. I am sure the spirit knows the law and how to counsel me.


Kefa
 
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no matter, the word promise' is not in their vocabulary.
if only they knew what type of God they worship. Does an Abba makes promises he will not keep?? Or is he an unconditional lover of his children who keeps his word. because it is his reputation on the line,
 
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The Master has given us faith, and faith leads to grace. If we bury our talent, out faith, it is not leading to grace, it is dead.
Yep. but no loss of salvation, You can not lose something you never had.
 
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