The Law Debacle Resolved

[KennethC]

He didn't have FAITH! Jesus' parable here is about faith, not works.

The context is what one does with the measure of faith given to them, and your claim he had no faith I would agree if you mean had no true faith.

Because the parable states that they are all His servants, it does not separate the servant given 1 talent from the others. When He comes back and the one given the 1 talent hid his faith and did not build on it and bring others into the fold, he was considered useless/unprofitable and thus cast into outer darkness !!!

 

[Utah]

The context is what one does with the measure of faith given to them, and your claim he had no faith I would agree if you mean had no true faith.

Because the parable states that they are all His servants, it does not separate the servant given 1 talent from the others. When He comes back and the one given the 1 talent hid his faith and did not build on it and bring others into the fold, he was considered useless/unprofitable and thus cast into outer darkness !!!

Sounds like you're preaching works for security. You say you don't but it sure seems like it.

 

[JaumeJ]

The talent of gold is faith. The worthless servant buried his talent until the Master returned,.

I did post before, but it is always worth repeating. Throughout the Word OT and NT, the faith of the saints is equated with gold.

The gold of the street in Heaven is so pure, you can see into it. It is the faith of the saints.

God says in Isaiah, behold I refine you, but not as gold or silver, rather in the furnace of affliction. For my own sake I do this so that you be not cut off. What value God puts on each of us. Our affliction is refining us.

Tere other direct references to gold as being our faith. Do not take my word for it, if you are so inclined, but do read it in the Word. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Really? And which one do find not true - the helping a brother or keeping God's commandments?

Jesus says that if you keep His commandments then you'll help your brother. Seems to me they are both in play.

Your string of scriptures is again one sided. I'm not saying they are wrong they are just incomplete. You completely eliminate and ignore the ones that say 'differently'. When you can put BOTH sides together, and interpret them as one, then you'll see the whole picture. But as long as you promote one set at the expense of the other, you're only seeing out of one eye.

Helping one's brother IS keeping GOD's commandments.

In the parable of the good Samaritan, the priest and Levite kept the 10 commandments, but did not do GOD's law. On the other hand, the Samaritan did do GOD's law even though none of the 10 commandments told him to have mercy on his neighbor.

 

[Utah]

The talent of gold is faith. The worthless servant buried his talent until the Master returned,.

I did post before, but it is always worth repeating. Throughout the Word OT and NT, the faith of the saints is equated with gold.

The gold of the street in Heaven is so pure, you can see into it. It is the faith of the saints.

God says in Isaiah, behold I refine you, but not as gold or silver, rather in the furnace of affliction. For my own sake I do this so that you be not cut off. What value God puts on each of us. Our affliction is refining us.

Tere other direct references to gold as being our faith. Do not take my word for it, if you are so inclined, but do read it in the Word. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

That's awesome, Brother. Thank you for sharing this wisdom and insight.

 

[JaumeJ]

Please bear in mind, by patience and long-suffering people, possibly on both ends of this discussion, are duty bound to always post what they believe for the sake of the vast majority of visitors who ae constantly coming into the discussion. If another thread pops up on the subject, will definitely do my best to be there, though these days I find it very difficult to keep up with all the posts. I will do what I consider my due to Jesus Christ. It is my way of being grateful for what He hs done for me. Praise Jesus Christ, and may He return soon, amen.

BS! No one is stupid enough to keep reading endless arguments this far into a thread except for the parties having the endless arguments. This is self-gratification.

 

[KennethC]

The talent of gold is faith. The worthless servant buried his talent until the Master returned,.

I did post before, but it is always worth repeating. Throughout the Word OT and NT, the faith of the saints is equated with gold.

The gold of the street in Heaven is so pure, you can see into it. It is the faith of the saints.

God says in Isaiah, behold I refine you, but not as gold or silver, rather in the furnace of affliction. For my own sake I do this so that you be not cut off. What value God puts on each of us. Our affliction is refining us.

Tere other direct references to gold as being our faith. Do not take my word for it, if you are so inclined, but do read it in the Word. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

Yes this goes along with what Jesus said about not hiding the Light under a basket, we are to let it shine brightly before others. The parable shows what happens if one hides that faith, which is a way of denying it !!!

 

[JaumeJ]

Yes, yes. Thank you for this wonderful reminder supporting more the teaching of our Lord, Jesus Christ, on not hiding our faith, but making it grow and shine for others so they may catch the fire of the Holy Spirit and shine on for others, never putting their light under a bushel. Oh what a praise. Thank you for this greatly edifying reminder. I love the song too, and I am going to sing it now. God bless all the family in Christ, amen.

Yes this goes along with what Jesus said about not hiding the Light under a basket, we are to let it shine brightly before others. The parable shows what happens if one hides that faith, which is a way of denying it !!!

 

[Kefa54]

PLEASE,PLEASE show me scripture that says we are saved by our self works before we are saved or after.


8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift —

9 not from works, so that no one can boast.


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Really? And which one do find not true - the helping a brother or keeping God's commandments?

Jesus says that if you keep His commandments then you'll help your brother. Seems to me they are both in play.

Your string of scriptures is again one sided. I'm not saying they are wrong they are just incomplete. You completely eliminate and ignore the ones that say 'differently'. When you can put BOTH sides together, and interpret them as one, then you'll see the whole picture. But as long as you promote one set at the expense of the other, you're only seeing out of one eye.

 

[KennethC]

PLEASE,PLEASE show me scripture that says we are saved by our self works before we are saved or after.


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I know this if for RickyZ but this is exactly what I just got done saying, reading into what another said and making it say other then what the person actually stated.

I do not believe nor do I see RickyZ saying self works save, but what I do see him saying is that works of the faith are a product of proof of one who is saved through Christ.

 

[Kefa54]

Will you share scripture to back up these claims?


Kefa

Really? And which one do find not true - the helping a brother or keeping God's commandments?

Jesus says that if you keep His commandments then you'll help your brother. Seems to me they are both in play.

Your string of scriptures is again one sided. I'm not saying they are wrong they are just incomplete. You completely eliminate and ignore the ones that say 'differently'. When you can put BOTH sides together, and interpret them as one, then you'll see the whole picture. But as long as you promote one set at the expense of the other, you're only seeing out of one eye.

 

[JGIG]

The Law Debacle - Resolved by GRACE \o/


An excerpt:

The choice isn't really Law or Grace;

the choice is really Law or LIFE \o/!
​

Grace brings us to Life;

Grace enables us to walk in Life;
​

Walking in the Life of Christ produces His Fruit, which we bear.
​

(See Rom. 7, Gal. 2 and 5, Tit.2)​

Law arouses sin;

​Law accuses and brings death;​

Walking in Law produces fruits of the flesh.
​

(See Rom. 7, Gal. 2 and 5, Tit.2)

​

Grace and peace to you all,
-JGIG

 

[Kefa54]

I am getting the impression here that we are talking about 3 different things and getting the conversations mixed up.

Kefa

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I am not avoiding nothing, as all I am doing is showing what the bible says as the 10 Commandments have never been done away with, only in the written ordinance form it has been done away.

Instead of accusing me and trying to push falsehoods on me go do a study on this and then come back and we will talk, until then do not respond to me if you don't want to hear what the NT says and shows.

Revelation 9:20-21

And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,

that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: <-----1st and 2nd Commandments

Neither repented they of their murders, <------6th Commandment

nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, <----7th and 10th Commandment

nor of their thefts. <----8th Commandment

This is speaking of during the tribulation so if they exist then and they existed before, you can be assured they exist now !!!

Kenneth, You're a funny man. You talk like you what you're talking about, but you really don't.

 

[JaumeJ]

If your point here is to respond to the actual OP, go and read it. I fyou are going off on your own , then go ahead, but do not post as though your are responding to the OP. Lef folks know you are on a new subject.

As for your stating "Law or Life," consider the curse of the law, death, has ben abolished by Jesus Christ on the Cross, making the law something no longer to fear for it cannot kill anymore, not those who are truly in Christ.. God bless you.

The Law Debacle - Resolved by GRACE \o/


An excerpt:

The choice isn't really Law or Grace;

the choice is really Law or LIFE \o/!
​

Grace brings us to Life;

Grace enables us to walk in Life;
​

Walking in the Life of Christ produces His Fruit, which we bear.
​

(See Rom. 7, Gal. 2 and 5, Tit.2)​

Law arouses sin;

​Law accuses and brings death;​

Walking in Law produces fruits of the flesh.
​

(See Rom. 7, Gal. 2 and 5, Tit.2)

​

Grace and peace to you all,
-JGIG

 

[Kefa54]

Ephesians 2

From Death to Life
2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins

WE were dead our trespasses and sins. Our works would have been of self. Such as filthy rags.

 

[MarcR]

This OP is to discuss the resolution of learning and doing what Jesus Christ teaches, and attempting our best to live as He lived. This is the OP.

I saw your OP statement. I say again that there is no consensus on what Jesus taught; or even general agreement on what He did. If there were such agreement, this thread would never happen.

 

[JaumeJ]

We are warned in the Word not to take away nor to add to God's Word; it is a sin. Yes, even for those living in grace, sin still exists.

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth, You're a funny man. You talk like you what you're talking about, but you really don't.

I do know what I am talking about thanks be to the Holy Spirit of God, as I have over 6 years of in depth bible study and over 20 years all together. Including that of early church history and some doctrinal starting points, and am currently in the third year of prophecy studying.

I am still learning new things everyday as we all are but to deny the morals of God would mean that people could live however they want including to continue to be deliberately sinful and still end up with eternal life. The Word of God completely refutes that kind of thinking and says anybody who teaches the gospel or grace to allow lewdness is in apostasy.

Therefore if God's grace and the gospel of Christ does not allow lewdness, then there are morals that apply and love is the greatest and even mentioned greater then faith by Paul. Because all hangs on love !!!

 

[KennethC]

Ephesians 2

From Death to Life
2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins

WE were dead our trespasses and sins. Our works would have been of self. Such as filthy rags.

Exactly as this is speaking on before being reborn in the Spirit !!!