The Millennium literal or symbolic?

[valiant]

The 144,000 are those who come out of Israel during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, which hasn't begun yet.

The 144000 are 'the sealed of God'. In other words they are the true church, the 'numbered church', written in Heaven, depicted as the true Israel. They have mainly already come. But in fact humanly speaking they are 'a multitude which no man can number',

The multitude which no man can count, are Gentile believers (from every tribe, people, language and nation) and those who come out of the great tribulation, which has not yet begun.

Christians through the centuries have come out of great tribulation. It is nearly ended.

Your reference to "a symbolic 1000 yrs." is implied by you.

Actually it is not symbolic, it accords with the OT use of 'a thousand' to signify an indefinite large number (compare the use in 'a thousand generations'.).

However, the scripture states that it will be a literal thousand years,

Where? Large round numbers were never used literally in the Bible,

with a literal binding of Satan in the Abyss during that same thousand years

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which ended in Rev 9

Your brand of hermeneutics is overriding the word of God.

It is IN ACCORD with the word of God,

 

[Muzungu256]

i like it how everybody got charts, and they are all different charts with the same bible verses........

 

[Ahwatukee]

The 144000 are 'the sealed of God'. In other words they are the true church

No, they are not the true church, nor are they the church at all. They are those 144,000 who will be sealed out of the twelve tribes of Israel, just as the scripture proclaims:

"Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."

See how easy that is? 144,000 from all of the tribes of Israel, exactly what the scripture says. Do you see the word church in there anywhere? The only way to make this group the church is to spiritualize them. With this kind of interpretation, you can make them anyone you want. This is a group that comes out of unbelieving Israel during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah, the first fruits to God. This is not the church, for the church will have previously been gathered.

Christians through the centuries have come out of great tribulation. It is nearly ended.

According to the Lord, the great tribulation will be in the middle of the seven years when that abomination is set up, which hasn't taken place yet. Regarding this the Lord said the following:

"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, and never shall be. And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the elect, those days will be shortened."

So according to the scripture, because of the mention of the abomination being set up, the great tribulation will begin in the middle of the seven years. It will be a time of great tribulation the likes of which the world has ever seen and never will again! And that if that time of tribulation had been allowed to continue any longer no one on earth would survive.

That said, the world has not been nor is currently experiencing that tribulation. You guys have a very weak understanding of what God's coming wrath is going to entail. And because of that, you have no idea what is still come upon this earth. You say that it is nearly ended, when it hasn't even begun.

Actually it is not symbolic, it accords with the OT use of 'a thousand' to signify an indefinite large number (compare the use in 'a thousand generations'.).

The context should always be consulted first to determine the meaning of any given word. Here in Revelation 20, there is no reason to go looking for the meaning of "a thousand years" for it is self explanatory with the verse. All that you are doing is forcing a different meaning on it. It makes me wonder what God would have had to have written it in order to get you to understand that He meant a literal thousand years, since you don't believe in what the scripture says at face value. There is no reason to look for another meaning other than what the scripture states six times. The meaning of "God owning a thousand hills" in Psalm 50:10 is specific to Psalm 50:10 and should not be applied to Revelation 20, nor any other OT scripture.

Where? Large round numbers were never used literally in the Bible

That is pure conjecture, implied by you and others. If you will believe what you are reading then you would understand that a literal thousand years is in view. Usually by the way that the scripture is written it will give the reader the understanding whether something is meant literally or symbolically. There is nothing in the context of Rev.20:1-7 that would lead the reader to look for another meaning of a thousand years other than the literal.

which ended in Rev 9

There is nothing in Rev.9 which infers that Satan's binding has ended, when it hasn't even begun yet. Satan is not bound until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. And prior to that the world would have had to experienced the revealing of the anitichrist and his seven year agreement with Israel, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments of God's wrath, with the Lord returning after the 7th bowl has been poured out. Regarding this, we have seen not one iota of these events. Your eschatology is completely in error.

 

[Locutus]

It's not exactly 144,000, and the firstfruits were of the 12 tribes that James wrote to:

James 1:1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings

James 1:18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

Rev 14:3 and they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The 144000 are 'the sealed of God'. In other words they are the true church, the 'numbered church', written in Heaven, depicted as the true Israel. They have mainly already come. But in fact humanly speaking they are 'a multitude which no man can number'...

Why don't you take a minute to see how nonsensical this sounds? The Bible says that God is NOT the Author Of confusion, so why are you so confused about something which is so clear? Now please note carefully:

THE CHURCH (ALL NATIONS, KINDREDS, PEOPLES, AND TONGUES) -- REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB
These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

THE I44,000 REDEEMED JEWS FROM THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

How can any serious student of Scripture confuse and conflate these two groups?

 

[Ahwatukee]

That is correct, the story of the little scroll ends at the 7th/last trumpet. It is followed by a description of the beast that comes out of the abyss (place of the dead), who kills the people of Israel.

The little scroll is the book of Revelation which we are reading. For after John eats it (the word of God symbolically as food) the angel then tells him that "It is necessary for you to prophesy again concerning many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Further more, the Abyss is not the place of the dead, but is a place where demons are kept. Also, the scripture says nothing about killing the people of Israel. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will affect every single person on the planet, Jew and Gentile alike.

The 7 vials/bowls, run at the same time as the 7 trumpets, 96 ad until the end of the kingdom on earth and the planet.

No, the 7 bowls do not run at the same time as the 7 trumpets, for they will take place in the sequence that God put them in with the trumpets following the seals and the bowls following the trumpets, which is why everything is numbered 1 thru 7 in each set of plagues. That they are running parallel is only implied by you.

The vials are God withdrawing blessings on the iron dragon beast, primarily.

The vials complete God's wrath upon the entire earth. The result of the 2nd and 3rd bowls is the sea and the rivers and fresh waters being turned into literal blood, which again, will affect the entire earth.

Believing pre-trib is not a requirement for salvation.

Maybe not, but believing and teaching that the resurrection has already taken place is detrimental to one's eternal life. For there were those during Paul's time who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place and regarding this he said that it was godless chatter, that this teaching would spread like gangrene, that they had wandered away from the truth and that because of this teaching they were destroying the faith of some. Therefore, those who believe and teach the same today have also wandered away from the truth.

But I believe that prophecy in the Bible is what God reveals to us, to our mind.

If God has chosen not to reveal something to someone, it doesn't mean that they are not saved (Christians), it only means that God hasn't revealed it to them, YET.

Well, it can't be all different, but in agreement. And if this word hasn't been revealed to someone yet, then they should not be teaching it. That's the problem, we have people who get their information from YouTube, internet sites and hear-say and they themselves begin to teaching this junk. Remember what God's word says about those who add to or take away from the prophecy of this book of Revelation.

 

[tourist]

The millennium is a literal period of 1000 years. What would be the point of the passage quoted in the OP if it were meant to be taken as figuratively?

 

[Nehemiah6]

The millennium is a literal period of 1000 years. What would be the point of the passage quoted in the OP if it were meant to be taken as figuratively?

Well common sense was never the strong suit of the naysayers. They live in Fantasyland.

 

[Locutus]

Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

The beef on the 1001th hill are all mine - get yer hands off...

 

[Bladerunner]

They are from Israel, yes, but they were resurrected with Jesus and are seen with Him in the vision of John in 96 AD.



Yes, the 144,000 are from Israel. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.

Yes, John is shown who they are in Revelation. They have NOT, I say they are NOT resurrected. They are on earth and the seals on their foreheads protect them from harm.

No, what John sees is not just a vision...He feels, He touches, He taste, etc...... He is in Heaven. Jesus tells him to write what He seest and in rev 1:19.." Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;",




It is an assumption that the 7 churches are the 7 periods of the church in timeline, you know that.

This is a problem for all people who are preterist, etc. They just don't know what to do with Revelation so they sell their souls and call God a Liar. They tell us that God's Word changes like the sunset and so should ours. SO SAD.

The 7 churches were real at the time of the Apostles.
The letters are also talking to those seven Churches but rather all the Churches through time to 2017 and beyond.


At the end of rev.3:22...."22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
King James Version (KJV)"

Read this verse literally..." Do you have an ear. "...He is talking to you. and you are calling him a liar! So SAD!





I disagree, that John is referring to it that way. The trib is the time of the iron legs/toes Dan. 2, 4th beast, Rome, which John is a partaker of.

No, No, No, The iron legs are two of them representing Rome both parts of it.. The western side died some 1000years before the other half (450AD). The other half lived on into the 1450's where the Ottoman Turk empire took over.

As you said, John wrote Revelation long after 70AD. It was the future to him and it is the future to us.





The seals and trumpets (the story of the little scroll) are against Israel and the world of Israel for rejecting Jesus and the kingdom.

The seals are from the rejection of the kingdom by Israel until the dest of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

The trumpets are from the Revelation (96 AD. approx) until the rapture/resurrection, and the end of this planet. (7th/last trumpet).

The vials are against the Roman beast, primarily.

Rome, the iron beast dragon, has persecuted Israel and the true kingdom for the last 2000 years, that is the beast dragon and the great trib.. It is all about Israel and the world/earth of Israel.

Don't look at a planet wide one world government, look at the iron legs/toes government that rules over Israel.



Hmmm, Just look at what Israel has gone through for the last 2000 yrs.

Ask a Jew about WW 2.

You don't think that it was hell on earth?


The 1000 years denotes the time of the rule of the kingdom on earth.

The kingdom has been here since Pentecost.

Jesus sits on the throne in heaven, ruling the kingdom.

A thousand years is only a day.......a time period set by God......not necessarily literal to men.

That is, the millennium, is the time of the kingdom on earth, which started on Pentecost and to this day.


The beast/dragon is Rome (7 hills), Rome has come back from the dead to become a nation again.

Israel is restored to Jerusalem.

Soon the false prophet (BoR), will deceive the nation across the Euphrates and Magog/Gog, to surround Jerusalem and kill Israel.

Then the fire/stone.


He is now released he has been restored to Roman nationhood, Vatican.


The age Jesus talked about in Matt 24 was the end of the temple age in 70 AD.

Satan was cast out of heaven on the Day of Pentecost. Rev 12:10, "..., Now is come salvation,"..."and the kingdom of our God,...".

It began on the Day of Pentecost

The judgments happened to Israel for the last 1900 years, it's not the gentile nations of the planet.

The mark is the mark of the 4th beast Dan. 7, and the 7 headed beast of Caesar and Rome.

Already happened to Israel.

This shows the kingdom and indwelling of the Holy Spirit (gift, Acts 2:38)

The beasts have the same body that they did have, but now they have the Holy Spirit of the Lamb.

When we become Christians, we receive the Holy Spirit, now the beasts are lambs in the kingdom.

Have you given up warfare in your life?

Do you, as a Christian, practice war?

Or, have you given your soul to the harvest and Jesus?

Faith or weapons? Gospel or Swords?

Perhaps you, in the kingdom, have given up the ways of the sword, and now use a plow (seeds of the gospel).

Did you think that the unbelievers, outside of the kingdom would do this?

My Brother,

Soon Iran will move to attack Jerusalem.

They will be aided by the other surrounding nations Magog.

The USA will not save/be able to save them from genocide.

We will continue to discuss these things, but as we do, keep your eyes on Jerusalem.

When Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days later, the 7th trumpet and the end of this planet.

These things will happen before our eyes.

There won't be a second times of the gentiles, there will be no escape, no fleeing to the wilderness of the gentiles.

From the rest of the statements above, I see you big problems that I suspect cannot be helped by anyone from this earth. Good Luck

 

[PlainWord]

According to what I have read the 1000 yrs is to restore the earth as was promised by God. Why it takes 1000 yrs is to show the devastating effects that the great trib did to the earth.

The earth isn't being restored. This is a common misconception. It is our connection with God that was restored. The separation with God occurred in the Garden. God tells Adam that on the day he eats of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil would be the day he dies. Now obviously he didn't physically die, meaning he must have spiritually died. This "death" therefore was the spiritual death, AKA separation from God, which was restored by Christ.

 

[PlainWord]

So are you saying the 144K of the 12 tribes that returned during Passover were not of the elect that were saved PL?

And it looks like you are saying there were 144k Jews that were saved and escaped the wrath?

I'm not following your logic here PL.

They were the ELECT, yes. Yes, they escaped the wrath of the Great Tribulation of Jerusalem.

 

[PlainWord]

you will have to use the horizontal bar as well as vertical

and God made them all and can do with them as He will

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Yes, except this chart wasn't developed until the 1800s so there is no way Peter knew of all of these elements so there is no way Peter was speaking about these elements.

 

[Locutus]

They were the ELECT, yes. Yes, they escaped the wrath of the Great Tribulation of Jerusalem.

I didn't phrase my question correctly PL.

The question you raised in my mind is were the 144k Jews only or 144k of the 12 tribes that escaped the wrath?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yes, except this chart wasn't developed until the 1800s so there is no way Peter knew of all of these elements so there is no way Peter was speaking about these elements.

you know, in trying to sound 'smart' you just made one not very smart observation

the chart was in response to someone confused regarding the name of the Periodic Table

the picture I 'see' when reading about the earth burning up...which would INCLUDE every element known and unknown, is not metaphoric gibberish according to the Preterist viewpoint of just about everything being metaphor which comes in quite handy when a Preterist needs to find a meaning more amenable to his or her POV

if you actually think I thought Peter had the Periodic Table handy, I am truly at a loss as to how to explain that to you

as it is, I fear even this post may not help

 

[maxwel]

Periodic Table ?

Chemistry?



I thought the "periodic" table was a dispensational chart.

And... everyone had to study dispensations in chemistry class.

 

[PlainWord]

If the millennial reign of Christ is figurative then perhaps the salvation He promised is also figurative?

Reasonably certain that is not the truth.

Preterism is second only to complete unbelief.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What a completely ignorant statement. Salvation is not based on one's view of eschatology. It is based on one's repentance, belief and acceptance of Christ.

 

[Bladerunner]

The earth isn't being restored. This is a common misconception. It is our connection with God that was restored. The separation with God occurred in the Garden. God tells Adam that on the day he eats of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil would be the day he dies. Now obviously he didn't physically die, meaning he must have spiritually died. This "death" therefore was the spiritual death, AKA separation from God, which was restored by Christ.

How old was ADAM when He died. I guess was right then. I will chalk that up to simple ignorance.


Rem, God's years are 1000 to one. In this instance God is talking about that day.

 

[PlainWord]

you know, in trying to sound 'smart' you just made one not very smart observation

the chart was in response to someone confused regarding the name of the Periodic Table

the picture I 'see' when reading about the earth burning up...which would INCLUDE every element known and unknown, is not metaphoric gibberish according to the Preterist viewpoint of just about everything being metaphor which comes in quite handy when a Preterist needs to find a meaning more amenable to his or her POV

if you actually think I thought Peter had the Periodic Table handy, I am truly at a loss as to how to explain that to you

as it is, I fear even this post may not help

You missed my point entirely. Peter was discussing the 70 AD destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. He was NOT discussing every element in the universe melting. This misunderstanding comes largely from not understanding the way first century Jews talked and wrote. The transliteration was made literally into our language and in some cases to fit our way of speaking, rather than the way it was intended. This is what happens when those 1500+ years later with no concept of the the way people from another language and culture spoke are in charge of translating.

 

[PlainWord]

How old was ADAM when He died. I guess was right then. I will chalk that up to simple ignorance.


Rem, God's years are 1000 to one. In this instance God is talking about that day.

LOL. Again, ignorance is bliss. Peter's point about the "1000 years to God" is that there is no time in heaven. Time is a variable dimension based on the rotation of our planet around our sun. Time on other planets are different. Peter's point was that the Lord is longsuffering, not willing that any should perish. He is not slack based on time because for God, there is no time. Adam was in no way in focus when Peter gives this lesson.

The larger spiritual lessons in the Bible are often loss on the dispensationalist as they are trapped in carnal thinking meaning they can only relate things to the physical, observable things such as found on Earth, physical death, etc.

What was lost in the Garden was 100% spiritual, that being the closeness Adam once had with God was removed. Adam had other physical, observable consequences, such as toiling etc. but those aren't what God was talking about when He said Adam would "surely die" on that day. The REAL loss was that from that day forth when a human died, their soul was sent to captivity in Hades to await "the restoration of all things" which Christ made possible on the Cross.

Peter explains all of this in Acts 3:17-26. But for those who lack spiritual discernment will not get it because they have been programmed with so many false doctrines and interpretations.