The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

[Willie-T]

Let us step back a bit and look at what is at stake here. Sin is evil. It is destructive and a rebellion against the creator.
Man is doomed to destruction because of sin. The only hope is when God send messenger to warn the people of their destination because of their behaviour. The response acceptable to God is repentance, humbleness and asking God for forgiveness while commiting yourself to stop sinning.

Time after time incidents are played out in scripture, Jonah being the classic example.
Jesus preached the same, and the apostles.

But now all of this is not of God. If this is true the God ladylynn is following is not Jesus.
Your righteousness has to be greater than that of the pharisees and sadduces or your behaviour has to be better.
If you do not know what this means, I suggest you learn before you find yourself on the wrong side of the Lord.

Now I am supposed to be talking to christians, but this is a long way from simple Jesus reality.

I honestly cannot believe you attained the years you have without ever learning what that verse means. I'm really flabbergasted.

To start with, there is no "righteousness" to what the Pharisees thought they were practicing. There is only "rule-keeping." Jesus plainly told us that "No one, no not one is righteous." But here you are, at 56 trying to be righteous by behavior. (Hey, you just said it, yourself.)

What Jesus meant was that by keeping even more rules than the Pharisees, and acting even better than them, every minute of every single day, we STILL would not attain righteousness. (Remember that He told us NO ONE is righteousness.) But He is. That's an important point to catch. If you will notice that I claim to be RIGHTEOUS in the last line of my Signature. But "HOW?" It states there, "IN CHRIST JESUS."

Jesus was telling us that "righteousness" is attained ONLY through our relationship with Him. You keep pushing that it is somehow our own efforts in "living right" and demonstrating "good behavior." that we are made righteous. That cannot be, or else we are saying that Jesus was wrong when He said none of us are righteous.

It is only in giving up that belief in our own efforts, and believing something different (this is "repenting"), a TRUST in Him, that righteousness is applied to us.

We have to face it..... We either trust Jesus, wholly, or we are believing in something else. And it is usually, our own efforts.

 

[phil36]

The cross. Exactly what Jesus purchased with His blood and now in Him we are able to walk in (i.e, victory). I think that is what is missing and why there is such an emergence of grace teachings/theology. Too many fall under a gospel that still comes with condemnation, and their sins continue to be a stronghold in their lives and walk.

This is all due to a lack of renewing the mind and an understanding of His grace. An ignorance, if you will, of all that was accomplished at the cross and what happens once we place faith in Jesus. The reality, spiritual, that we have now as children of God in the covenant of grace. No condemnation, set free from sin's dominion, and eternally secure in Jesus, our High Priest who intercedes on our behalf.

You ask what traditional Christianity has wrong (in the eyes of those with a grace persuasion), and if Jesus Christ isn't emphasized it would be their foundation. Again, the complete and total understanding of what was accomplished at the cross (total forgiveness of sin, it has been dealt with) and the veil being broken. Reconciliation made to our heavenly Father and sin is no barrier to because Jesus paid for it already (I.e, no condemnation).

As I've read somewhere before, "Jesus broke the veil and religion is trying to sow it back up." That is at the forefront of the issue, the foundation that is Jesus Christ and ignorance (said respectfully) of what He accomplished on our behalf. That is, our total and complete forgiveness that gave the Apostle Paul the boldness to say, "Consider yourselves dead to sin." This is why I subscribe to hyper-grace theology because it is the Gospel truth and it breaks yokes of slavery.

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Thanks Ben,

Atleast you have tried to explain your standpoint truthfully. It still leaves you with some problems as to what you think christians have always believed.. we certainly believe there is now no condmenation for those in christ.

The real issue here is not how one gets saved (initial regeneration)..but the walk of the christian his Sanctification that comes from being born again his Justification. A sin issue.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You need to check out the neo-gnostic thread. He essentially admitted that new.modern.hyper grace teachings are gnostic.

would it even matter?

What do we base our beliefs on, A group that has not been around for 2000 years. or the word of God?

Here's a sequence of posts from another thread, the latter of which expresses an indifference to the fact that new.modern.hyper grace teachings are gnostic.

 

[ladylynn]

Let us step back a bit and look at what is at stake here. Sin is evil. It is destructive and a rebellion against the creator.
Man is doomed to destruction because of sin. The only hope is when God send messenger to warn the people of their destination because of their behaviour. The response acceptable to God is repentance, humbleness and asking God for forgiveness while commiting yourself to stop sinning.

Time after time incidents are played out in scripture, Jonah being the classic example.
Jesus preached the same, and the apostles.

But now all of this is not of God. If this is true the God ladylynn is following is not Jesus.
Your righteousness has to be greater than that of the pharisees and sadduces or your behaviour has to be better.

If you do not know what this means, I suggest you learn before you find yourself on the wrong side of the Lord.

Now I am supposed to be talking to christians, but this is a long way from simple Jesus reality.

The answer (thank God) is because my righteousness IS greater than that of the self righteous pharisees and Sadducee because it's Christ's finished work I am standing in. (they are not) His righteousness is what we are standing on since He gave this "gift" of righteousness to us we are to use it daily. It is not our righteousness but it is Christ's righteousness.

It's not blasphemy to sing.... On Christ the Solid Rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand....all other ground is sinking sand... Dressed in His righteousness alone faultless I stand before the throne.

 

[ladylynn]

Well, one example might be that most Grace Churches (mine included) will welcome homosexuals, and not blast them with their sinfulness as quickly, perhaps, as most Traditional churches might think they should.

In other words, if it is the love of God that is supposed to be shown through us that will attract people, what love are they seeing if on their first or second (or even tenth) visit, they are told that they are an abomination, and that this person they came with, and "love" (I guess) is also a degenerate, and they need to cut off all association with them.

Now, admittedly, I think this "acceptance" can be carried way too far (in fact, I think my own church does take it a bit too far) before they BEGIN to hear some hard, truthful facts.

I know that all "T" churches aren't as bad as the Westboro Idiots, but to someone sensitive to who and what they are, I think most "T" groups broadside them way too quickly...... and succeed in only running them off. And the sad thing, to me, is that they often seem to be proud of having done something like that.

Yes, it's like EVEN before God can do any of the saving, us Christians have already been itching to get out the Tide laundry detergent and the scrub brushes and clean that sinner up!!!!! We sometimes forget that the Holy Spirit first has Gotta 'convict' that fish and get em caught in the net before we try to start to clean em up!!!!!!!!!!!! The Holy Spirit will use the preaching of the Word to minister to that "caught" fish and the change will come in HIS time, not ours.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The answer (thank God) is because my righteousness IS greater than that of the self righteous pharisees and Sadducee because it's Christ's finished work I am standing in. (they are not) His righteousness is what we are standing on since He gave this "gift" of righteousness to us we are to use it daily. It is not our righteousness but it is Christ's righteousness.

It's not blasphemy to sing.... On Christ the Solid Rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand....all other ground is sinking sand... Dressed in His righteousness alone faultless I stand before the throne.

Wait, I thought this was something new.......? Amen sister.

 

[BenFTW]

This sequence of posts happened on another thread, but I wanted to bring them here because the latter post is essentially a confession that yes, new.modern.hyper grace beliefs are identical with gnostic beliefs.

The gist of the post is that the gnostics were wrong because they believed their teachings pertained to them instead of the church, to whom such teachings rightfully belonged.

Congratulations are in order! This entry qualifies for the neo-gnostic new.modern.hyper grace Hall of Fame

Yet the Gnostics held to such a belief without Christ so theirs (righteousness), indeed, was imagined. However our right standing is based in Jesus Christ. How can you compare God's truth of grace and mercy (a righteousness that is by faith), with the belief of a group that found their salvation within themselves (self-righteous)? Seems like more mixture.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yet the Gnostics held to such a belief without Christ so theirs (righteousness), indeed, was imagined. However our right standing is based in Jesus Christ. How can you compare God's truth of grace and mercy (a righteousness that is by faith), with the belief of a group that found their salvation within themselves (self-righteous)? Seems like more mixture.

Without Christ? They thought they we the only ones who knew Christ.

 

[FreeNChrist]

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Thanks Ben,

Atleast you have tried to explain your standpoint truthfully. It still leaves you with some problems as to what you think christians have always believed.. we certainly believe there is now no condmenation for those in christ.

The real issue here is not how one gets saved (initial regeneration)..but the walk of the christian his Sanctification that comes from being born again his Justification. A sin issue.

Not a sin issue, a Son issue.

 

[ladylynn]

Time for some fun...if we are doing "things" or have attitudes like this couple on this video..we might be a bit religious....they are hilarious..I love them..it's only about 2 minutes long..

https://vimeo.com/91637264

I know them!!!!!!!

 

[Grace777x70]

That skit makes me laugh so hard every time I watch it..It's the "sin" egg!...this one shows what you have done wrong..!..that cracks me up..and then the hubby says to his wife...don't look him in the eyes..he will take "your salt away"..lol

I know them!!!!!!!

 

[Willie-T]

We did a series on inviting people to church. With each teaching, we showed a different video. This was my favorite.
[video=youtube;lzrP1DNd0L0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzrP1DNd0L0[/video]

 

[BenFTW]

Without Christ? They thought they we the only ones who knew Christ.

In relation to sin and righteousness... and them being spiritual beings. For someone so adamant on hyper-grace being re-hashed Gnosticism you really know your stuff.

 

[phil36]

Not a sin issue, a Son issue.

All christians look to Christ (Son) there is nowhere else to look for the Christian all christins believe that ..

Sanctification deals with the Son? doesnt make much sense freeNchrist?

 

[Willie-T]

This is one we did NOT use!
[video=youtube;D7_dZTrjw9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7_dZTrjw9I#t=110[/video]

 

[FreeNChrist]

We did a series on inviting people to church. With each teaching, we showed a different video. This was my favorite.
[video=youtube;lzrP1DNd0L0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzrP1DNd0L0[/video]

LOL. That is hilarious! And needed.

 

[ladylynn]

Yes. ALL my past sins have been judged and forgiven - I guess I have a problem relating "past sins" with present and future sins . . . . I see Jesus as my advocate - defense attorney - what do I need a defense attorney for if every act I commit is already forgiven?

Did you know that Jesus will forever have those prints on His hands and feet and side? That His new body will be there for us to see for all eternity? His position as High Priest is His forever on our behalf. HE LIVES AFTER THE POWER OF AN ENDLESS LIFE. We have a Great High Priest who 'cannot die' and so His continual LIFE is before us and solid-sure and eternal. He does this for us as a testimony of Who He is and what He has done.

 

[FreeNChrist]

All christians look to Christ (Son) there is nowhere else to look for the Christian all christins believe that ..

Sanctification deals with the Son? doesnt make much sense freeNchrist?

No, the Son deals with you in sanctification.

 

[phil36]

No, the Son deals with you in sanctification.

Oh I know that freeNchrist every christian believes that..did you not know that? and yet its synergistic

 

[ladylynn]

We did a series on inviting people to church. With each teaching, we showed a different video. This was my favorite.
[video=youtube;lzrP1DNd0L0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzrP1DNd0L0[/video]

I love this!!!! have seen in many times in the past and it's so adorable!!!!!! Good one Willie!!!! hahahahahaha They sure have that Mrs.Edwards down pat..."Ohhh I suppose"