The Pictures of Redemption, Shed Blood, Faith and Salvation in the O.T. that Pointed to JESUS
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How dare you call them out to begin with right?? Lol
Especially if they make an accusation, then you ask them to prove it.. with evidence of someone saying what they are accusing them of.
As someone in the law thread continued to refuse to do. Then got mad and just started to attack until I had to report him.. Its crazy, how people will say they need to be righteous, yet do not practice what they preach.
Especially if they make an accusation, then you ask them to prove it.. with evidence of someone saying what they are accusing them of.
As someone in the law thread continued to refuse to do. Then got mad and just started to attack until I had to report him.. Its crazy, how people will say they need to be righteous, yet do not practice what they preach.
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Wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove 
HAHA good idea.......
One time in a machine shop I was working in managing about 10 wild youth that had never heard the truth once in their lives.....some ants had been attacking a few pieces of dog food and were decimating it and removing it for winter and as I stood there watching these ants one young kid came up and I pointed out the ants and said...You know....this is in the bible.....and he inquired and I took out a small N.T. that actually had the Psalms and Proverbs in it as well.....I showed him the sets of verses in Proverbs about 4 small things being exceedingly wise and the ants preparing their meat in due season.....this allowed me to in turn go to John chapter three and witness to this young man....
HAHA good idea.......One time in a machine shop I was working in managing about 10 wild youth that had never heard the truth once in their lives.....some ants had been attacking a few pieces of dog food and were decimating it and removing it for winter and as I stood there watching these ants one young kid came up and I pointed out the ants and said...You know....this is in the bible.....and he inquired and I took out a small N.T. that actually had the Psalms and Proverbs in it as well.....I showed him the sets of verses in Proverbs about 4 small things being exceedingly wise and the ants preparing their meat in due season.....this allowed me to in turn go to John chapter three and witness to this young man....
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Yes ... Eph 4:5 ... one faith ... (not OT faith / NT faith) ... one faith covering the whole span of time.
I love these verses in 2 Cor 3 ... 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
If we want to understand the OT, read it with our hearts turned to the Lord Jesus Christ. The whole Bible is all about HIM!!! He is the author (beginning) and finisher (end) of faith (Heb 12:2).
I love these verses in 2 Cor 3 ... 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
If we want to understand the OT, read it with our hearts turned to the Lord Jesus Christ. The whole Bible is all about HIM!!! He is the author (beginning) and finisher (end) of faith (Heb 12:2).
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There is nothing false in what was stated in response to that poster. Of course all the OT types present Christ, particularly the Brazen Serpent as mentioned by Christ in John 3. But your main point was that the OT saints were justified by grace through faith, which is also true for the NT saints.
Here's what you said: "the WHOLE bible points to CHRIST and being justified BY FAITH is woven throughout the whole BIBLE."
And that is exactly what I said.
" Therefore the basis of salvation is absolute faith in Christ alone and His finished work of redemption + NOTHING. Just as the Israelites were to simply look upon the Brazen Serpent in the wilderness and live, all sinners are to simply believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. Which also means receiving Him as Lord and Savior."
So is this true or false? If true then you need to retract what you said above.
Here's what you said: "the WHOLE bible points to CHRIST and being justified BY FAITH is woven throughout the whole BIBLE."
And that is exactly what I said.
" Therefore the basis of salvation is absolute faith in Christ alone and His finished work of redemption + NOTHING. Just as the Israelites were to simply look upon the Brazen Serpent in the wilderness and live, all sinners are to simply believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. Which also means receiving Him as Lord and Savior."
So is this true or false? If true then you need to retract what you said above.
Some believe that in the ot, there was such a place called Abraham bosom or paradise, which all the people who believed God during the ot were placed there.
They were placed there but not considered saved, until Jesus during the 3 days went there and preach to them all. It was only then that all of them went to heaven.
They were placed there but not considered saved, until Jesus during the 3 days went there and preach to them all. It was only then that all of them went to heaven.
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I need not retract anything....do you know why I said what I said.....because of the following statement which is not only false, but a broad brush stroke that ignores scripture...YOU stated the following bolded
7. Good works and righteousness must follow salvation. If they are absent, there was no genuine salvation. Just as if there is no repentance, there is no genuine salvation.
The above underlined absolutely contradicts the following truth
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
This is why I SAID FALSE x three......and this thread IS NOT ABOUT WORKS, but RATHER the FACT that faith, grace, salvation and CHRIST can be seen in the O.T.
7. Good works and righteousness must follow salvation. If they are absent, there was no genuine salvation. Just as if there is no repentance, there is no genuine salvation.
The above underlined absolutely contradicts the following truth
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness
This is why I SAID FALSE x three......and this thread IS NOT ABOUT WORKS, but RATHER the FACT that faith, grace, salvation and CHRIST can be seen in the O.T.
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Yes! Yes! Yes!
Saved by faith in the savior to come.
We believe that God has sent the Savior, they believed that God would send the Savior. All saved by faith.
Some people, as if God were bound by time and space. The God who created the Universe, and the laws that govern it. Who knows the end from the beginning.
Saved by faith in the savior to come.
We believe that God has sent the Savior, they believed that God would send the Savior. All saved by faith.
Some people, as if God were bound by time and space. The God who created the Universe, and the laws that govern it. Who knows the end from the beginning.
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