The Pictures of Redemption, Shed Blood, Faith and Salvation in the O.T. that Pointed to JESUS

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dcontroversal said:
Noah's faith is what saved him based upon Gods grace....and his faith was not in the ARK, it was in the message and belief that GOD was going to flood the world and like normal...you are conflating the preservation of his PHYSICAL LIFE with SPIRITUAL SALVATION.......there will be many that will not make the final cut because of conflating truths into that which the bible does not support.
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Amen! Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. Building the ark was a demonstration of his faith and not the origin of it and saved him and his family (physically) from drowning (Hebrews 11:7).
 
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Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


By faith Noah prepared the ark after he was warned by God of things not seen as yet. Noah didn't know what rain was ... no one had ever seen rain. Noah built the ark in response to God instructing him to do so and Noah built the ark to the specification given by God.

As a result, Noah's faith resulted in Noah becoming heir of the righteousness which is by faith.



 
dcontroversal

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Guojing said:
So if a Jew during the ot rejected circumcision and refused to sacrifice animals every time he sinned, and just say “I put my faith in God/Jesus”, will he be saved spiritually?
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You can go read it and find out for yourself because you have consistently proven that you have no interest in the truth when presented to you......
 
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dcontroversal said:
Noah's faith is what saved him based upon Gods grace....and his faith was not in the ARK, it was in the message and belief that GOD was going to flood the world and like normal...you are conflating the preservation of his PHYSICAL LIFE with SPIRITUAL SALVATION.......there will be many that will not make the final cut because of conflating truths into that which the bible does not support.
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no one is conflating it’s called debating, and yes Noah’s Faith was upon God, but God did not just natch him and his family from the flood nor did God build the ark for him, he was required to do some of the work to prevent him and his family would not drown.

What do you think would have happened if Noah did not work on building the ark, you probably may think God would have saved him and his family anyhow.
 
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JamOn said:
It’s clear to me Noah had to do the work for him and his family’s salvation, like you said if he sat back and didn’t take it seriously him and his family would have drowned as well.
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Did God think noah might not do it? Did He know noah would do it? Did God know Noah had true faith?
Or did noah suprise God because God was nto sure?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Did God think noah might not do it? Did He know noah would do it? Did God know Noah had true faith?
Or did noah suprise God because God was nto sure?
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That is not for you or I to know, only God knows what the next thing your going to respond if at all. but I know He already knows before you think it.
 
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Man will never know until man makes the choice to choose.

It’s almost impossible to comprehend choice yet that choice is already known.
 
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JamOn said:
That is not for you or I to know, only God knows what the next thing your going to respond if at all. but I know He already knows before you think it.
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I think God not only knows what I will say, be he also knew everything noah would do before he even asked him to build the ark.

Once again, Can you answer my question?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JamOn said:
Man will never know until man makes the choice to choose.

It’s almost impossible to comprehend choice yet that choice is already known.
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Who cares what man thinks, I did not ask what Man thought i asked what God thought
Can you please respond what God knew..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I think God not only knows what I will say, be he also knew everything noah would do before he even asked him to build the ark.

Once again, Can you answer my question?
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I already did, it is not for you or I to know, if you think you do know, I would like to hear your answer?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Who cares what man thinks, I did not ask what Man thought i asked what God thought
Can you please respond what God knew..
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if I did know you would be the last to know, would you be happy with that?
 
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JamOn said:
I already did, it is not for you or I to know, if you think you do know, I would like to hear your answer?
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Lets put it this way,

If God KNEW Noah would do everything he did, WHY did noah have to do the work BEFORE he was saved? Was he not saved the moment he had faith BECAUSE GOD KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY?
 
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JamOn said:
if I did know you would be the last to know, would you be happy with that?
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What I think is you seem to have issues. Should I move on and consider you a troublemaker. Or do you want to discuss the word?

I asked what God knew, Not what you know.

You keep trying to twist my words. Shame on you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lets put it this way,

If God KNEW Noah would do everything he did, WHY did noah have to do the work BEFORE he was saved? Was he not saved the moment he had faith BECAUSE GOD KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY?
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That is a Big NO, and I already know that is not the answer that you can respect.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
What I think is you seem to have issues. Should I move on and consider you a troublemaker. Or do you want to discuss the word?

I asked what God knew, Not what you know.

You keep trying to twist my words. Shame on you.
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I know because you look for faults in people, your a fault looker. and I’m talking about you saying I have issues why because Im not saying what you believe period.
 
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JamOn said:
That is a Big NO, and I already know that is not the answer that you can respect.
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So you do not think God knew everythign Noah would do.

thank you You answered my question.

And no I can not respect an answer that says God does not know all (omniscient) things at all times.. That diminishes the power of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So you do not think God knew everythign Noah would do.

thank you You answered my question.

And no I can not respect an answer that says God does not know all (omniscient) things at all times.. That diminishes the power of God.
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You didn’t read I said God doesn’t know all at all times, not sure where that came from?
 
JamOn

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The little snit bits of words people like to through in are mind boggling. people know exactly what it does to others that why they are used and it’s a shame.
 
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