The "Rapture"?

[PlainWord]

This passage is taken incorrectly all the time. Many think Jesus was telling His disciples that He was going to Heaven to build "the rooms" but the rooms where already built. They are there!! Jesus hadn't even been to the Cross yet so He wasn't talking about His return the Heaven. It is the Cross where Jesus was going and that was weighing on His mind.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

Notice the mansions (or rooms) are already there!!??!!

Where is Christ going? ANSWER: To the Cross
Why did Christ go to the Cross: ANSWER: So that we could go to Heaven when we die

Without the Cross there would be no way for us to enter Heaven where the rooms were already built. So, this deals with what Christ was to be doing and how it affects believers when they die:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

The rest of the passage deals with Christ return. He starts out by saying that since He is going to "the Cross" He will come again to receive those alive when He comes so that we all can be together.

I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

When He comes again, He will be here to reign. He makes no mention of coming to take us to heaven. There is no mention anywhere of Christ coming to gather then returning with us to Heaven. All mentions of Christ coming is to reign here on earth. You see, Christ returns and gathers us to Him. This message is consistent with Mat 24 also:

...and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect...

 

[presidente]

We need to keep in mind that terminology like 'go to heaven when you die' isn't in the Bible. Paul talks about being absent from the body and present with the Lord, and that's about the strongest evidence of 'going to heaven when you die.' I've even read where a pre-trib scholar suggested that that passage might be talking about the rapture, too.

Paul tells believers to comfort one another with words about the resurrection and rapture, and that we are not to grieve as those who have no hope.

I went to a funeral at an evangelical church about a year ago, and I noticed multiple references to the deceased dying and going to heaven. But no one mentioned the resurrection of the dead, the doctrine Paul referred to when he said to 'comfort one another with these words."

When I went to the funeral of a young man whose father went to my church. The young man had gone to a Roman Catholic college and they had a funeral for him in their chapel. This was the first RCC service of any kind I'd been to. I didn't hear a sermon on purgatory or praying to Mary. But I did hear in the liturgy several references to the resurrection of the dead. Their prayer for the dead was basically asking God to fulfill His promises about seeing the departed in the resurrection. Then they'd state their belief in the resurrection as part of the liturgy. The irony was that it seemed in a lot of ways, the RCC funeral was more Biblical, more focused on Biblical doctrine.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The Great Tribulation is NOT GOD'S WRATH, it is the massive attack on Israel by Islamic forces (and their allies) to the North. God's Wrath comes in response and comes to halt the attack, otherwise no flesh would be left alive. The Great Tribulation CAUSES GOD'S Wrath!!!

Hello PlainTruth,

In Mt.24 Jesus is describing the signs that will precede his return to the earth to end the age. If you will notice in Mt.24:15, Jesus quoting from Dan.9:27 mentions the abomination that the antichrist will set up in holy place within the temple. According Dan.9:27, this event takes place in the middle of the seven years. That being said, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments run throughout the entire seven years. It is after the 7th bowl has been poured out that Jesus will return to the earth to end the age.

According to Dan.2:31-46, God will also be dealing with the rest of the nations during that same seven years that he will be dealing with Israel. The antichrist making his seven year covenant is what initiates the seven years and everything that will be taking place, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, the setting of the abomination and the beasts reign, the time of Jacob's trouble, all take place within that seven year time period.

Prior to the great tribulation period which covers the last 3 1/2 years, the seals will have already begun to be opened, with the antichrist being that 1st seal, the rider on the white horse.

"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved."

During that last 3 1/2 years, the setting up of the abomination is not just going to affect Israel, but the entire world. That beasts reign, his authority and his mark, is going to affect every person on the whole earth. For regarding the antichrist/beast, scripture states the following:

"Also he was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given to him over every tribe and people and language and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain."

So you see, what the antichrist/beast will be doing in Israel will also affect the entire world and all its nations. By the way, the great tribulation period is indeed the wrath of God, for that last seven years will complete the seventy seven year periods that was decreed against Israel and Jerusalem (Dan.9:24-27).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ahwatukee,



The Great Tribulation is NOT GOD'S WRATH,

So this time, which jesus said, if he did not return, no flesh on earth would survive, Is not gods wrath?

Wow.. ok..

 

[Ahwatukee]

This passage is taken incorrectly all the time. Many think Jesus was telling His disciples that He was going to Heaven to build "the rooms" but the rooms where already built. They are there!! Jesus hadn't even been to the Cross yet so He wasn't talking about His return the Heaven. It is the Cross where Jesus was going and that was weighing on His mind

It is amazing to me, that when we have such clear scriptural information, such as with the Lord's promise to go and prepare a place for all believer's, which is specified as being in the Father's house where Jesus was going and yet there are people who will circumvent the truth instead of admitting to what the scripture is literally saying and that because it doesn't fit with the teachings that they have adopted.

"In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."

The scripture above is clear in that, Jesus was speaking about what would happen after he ascended to heaven after his resurrection. That he was telling his disciples that he was going to his Father's house, which is indisputably heaven, and he was going to prepare places for not only for the disciples, but for all believers within the church. Consequently, Jesus never returned to fulfill that promise to the disciples, which means that it has yet to be fulfilled. The Lord's words, "I will come again" is in reference to 1 Thes.4:13-18, when the Lord comes again and the dead are raised and the living are changed and caught up, where Jesus will then fulfill his promise and take the whole group back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he has prepared for us. This is the clear meaning of that scripture PlainTruth. The only reason that you circumvented it is because it demonstrates that the Lord is going to take the church back to heaven, to the Father's house, first. The church/bride is seen following Christ out of heaven riding on those white horses wearing fine linen, white and clean as described in Rev.19:6-8, 14. This demonstrates that the church will have already been in heaven prior to Christ's return to the earth to end the age.

 

[Ahwatukee]

So this time, which jesus said, if he did not return, no flesh on earth would survive, Is not gods wrath?

Wow.. ok..

Hi eternally-gratefull,

The above is what PlainWord said, not me. The great tribulation is most definitely apart of God's wrath. In fact, the entire seven years and all of the events that take place within it are God's wrath. PlainTruth is just attempting to circumvent scripture.

 

[presidente]

God's wrath is God being angry. It's not a time period or tribulation. It's wrath.

 

[abcdef]

If I may offer this,

Brothers and Sisters, we are walking down the road to the Holy city, the new Jerusalem.
We are all on the same highway to that glorious city, that ends at the Throne of Perfect Love.
We all share the same burdens, carry the same guilt, pain, and shame in our souls for the things we have said and done while in the flesh.
We all need a Savior.

Perhaps, as we walk down the King's highway, we can pick up a stone and throw it out of the way, or throw some gravel in a pothole, to make it easier for who follow us. Remember they are crippled and weak from sin, maybe not as strong as you and I. Wasn't Jesus there when you were weak and stumbled?

For thousands of years, our brothers who came before us, studied and wrote countless books to help us understand the map that shows the road to the Holy City.

They removed mountains of false teachings, built bridges of understanding, and paved the way that led to the freedom we have today to read, study, and share the things that we have learned about God and His wonderful love.

Someday you will know everything about me and I will know everything about you. The day we knee in front of Jesus at His Throne of Perfect Love. Every thought, every motive of our heart, every corner and hidden place in our souls will be laid bare before Him. There will be no flesh to hide who we are then.

When things become clear, when we understand it all, there will be many, many, "I'm sorry my brothers" heard.
"I didn't understand like I do now."

And then, "I am sorry my too my brother, I didn't understand either,"

And perhaps a Voice will be heard from the Throne, saying "Father forgive them, because they didn't really understand what they were doing.
And then from the Holy Place where Jesus poured out His precious blood for the salvation of our souls, in the Heart of God, the Holy Father will say "I forgive them."

" Happy day, Happy day, When Jesus Washed My Sins Away"!!

In light of this, what kind of people should we be?


Let us speak to each to each other in the melody of love.
Let us speak as we would if Jesus were beside us, because He is. He will always be with us, Amen.

I believe this world will be over soon, maybe not for the same reasons you do, that's OK, we'll talk about it.
Men seek God (Love), but it is God who chooses to reveal Himself to us.

Someday we will sit beside the River Of Life (love) that flows from His throne, singing His praises, but for now we must walk down this rocky road of pain and heartbreak.

Let the Love and mercy of God (Holy Spirit) flow through us to the people of this world,

But especially our brothers and sisters.

 

[Ahwatukee]

God's wrath is God being angry. It's not a time period or tribulation. It's wrath.

Hi presidente,

The wrath of God will be carried out during that last seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. It is in fact a time period in which God will be pouring out his wrath, which culminates in the return of Christ to the earth to end the age. This time of wrath will be in fulfillment of "The day of the Lord," and which Jesus also referred to as "the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world to try those who dwell upon the face of the whole earth." Therefore, God's wrath will be carried out over that specific time period with Jesus returning shortly after the 7th bowl has been poured out, which completes God's wrath.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi eternally-gratefull,

The above is what PlainWord said, not me. The great tribulation is most definitely apart of God's wrath. In fact, the entire seven years and all of the events that take place within it are God's wrath. PlainTruth is just attempting to circumvent scripture.

Oh i know it was him.. I am still waiting for him to answer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God's wrath is God being angry. It's not a time period or tribulation. It's wrath.

Yep it is, Read revelation, You will see his wrath, And the great tribulation.

God uses nations to carry out his wrath all the time, In the GT, He will use the antichrist to cary out his wrath, before he destroyed him and evil from the world. and inserts his son as king.

 

[abcdef]

Brothers and Sisters, may I offer this,

Open your Bible and read Lk 21:5-38.

Lk 21:5 Jesus is at the temple

Lk 21:6 He tells them it will be destroyed

Mk 13:3 they go to the Mt of olives, Peter, James, John, and Andrew,asked Him privately. (The story is told by people who weren't there)

In Lk 21:7 They ask 2 questions, when (will the temple be destroyed), and what sign will there be of it's destruction?

Lk:8 Jesus said that (before the destruction of the temple) that there would be false teachers.

Lk:9-11 There would be wars , famine, etc. Before.

Lk:11 The great signs are the Day of Pentecost. Peter says this is the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy Acts 2:16, the "Day of the Lord" spoken of is the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem, not the final Day. Notice the imagery used to describe the event.

Mk 13:8 says at the end of this passage, these are the beginning of sorrows.

Lk 21:12-19 tells these four apostles (only) that they will be persecuted. He was speaking to them.

Lk 21:20 Jesus tells them what the sign of the destruction (desolation) of the temple is, Jerusalem is surrounded by armies.

Lk 21:21-23 Flee to the mountains, etc

Lk 21:24 It talks about the times of the Gentiles. There are 3 groups, (1/3, 1/3, 1/3) one is scattered (flee v21), one is "taken" away captive, and the other left (for dead). Read Ezek 5:12. In Lk 17:37 a parr. pass., they ask where Lord? Jesus said where the eagles are (Romans).

Lk 21:25 Sun, moon, stars, etc. Acts 2:20.
Upon the earth, Israel does not understand why God is forsaking them.
the sea- of gentiles stirring the forces of darkness against Jerusalem (the city is shown being thrown into the sea of gentiles in Rev 8:8, Israel is bitter over it.)

Lk 21:26 Powers of heaven shaken- Jesus reigns supreme, Satan thrown down on the Day of Pentecost (salvation has come, Rev 12:10)

Lk 21: 27 He shall come with clouds (of armies to destroy the city and temple), His authority to bring the prophecies He made come true. God has been shown leading armies against Jerusalem.

Lk 21:28-31 When these begin, look for redemption, Pentecost.

Lk 21:32 Jesus was speaking to just 4 apostles at this time, this generation refers to the apostle John, all these events described here except for the end of the times of the gentiles is described here.

Lk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass (Rev 6:14)

If you study the Lk passage it is easier to understand. Now take this pattern and apply it to the passage in Matt 24, You'll see that Matt 24 is about the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, and the end of the times of the gentiles not the resurrection as the pre-trib teaches.

How can you quote these passages in Lk as if they are about the resurrection, when after study we can see that they are not?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello abcdef,

"Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus had already told them about the destruction of the temple and the focus is on the other two questions 1). what will be the sign of your coming and 2). the end of the age. Everything that you are reading is regarding the time of God's wrath. The gathering of the church will have already taken place prior to those events. Though the information is being given to the disciples, those events did not take place in their life-time. There has been no seven year covenant made, no antichrist, abomination, no seals, trumpets or bowl judgments, etc.. What You need to understand is that, those signs culminate with Jesus physically returning to the earth to end the age, where every eye will see him. That hasn't happened yet. Again, this error stems from not understanding that the gathering of the church is a separate event from when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, as well as not understanding the severity of the plagues of wrath that God is going to pour out upon the earth. For there is no way that the destruction which takes place as a result of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments can be written off as already having taken place. As I continue to point out, with just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet alone, they being a fourth and third, respectively, would amount to approximately 4.5 billion fatalities of that immediate population and that is not including trumpets 1,2 and 3 nor the bowl judgments.

The great signs are the Day of Pentecost. Peter says this is the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy

"And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servantsand female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.

Peter should not have included the rest of the scripture that I have emboldened above and that because that part of the prophecy had not taken place during that time and in fact its fulfillment is still future. What Joel is referring to regarding "the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood," this is in reference to the 6th seal judgment, which is then followed by the 7th seal, the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgments, with Christ returning sometime after the 7th bowl has been poured out. None of these events have yet taken place.

Do a study on the armies who are following Christ out of heaven riding on white horses in Rev.19:14 and identify who they are by looking at Rev.17:14 and 19:6-8.

Lk 21:32 Jesus was speaking to just 4 apostles at this time, this generation refers to the apostle John, all these events described here except for the end of the times of the gentiles is described here.

abcdef, this is a well known false teaching, which I have debated many times and which you are just repeating. When Jesus said, "this generation" he was not speaking about the generation that he was living in. Here is the entire scripture:

"And he told them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. As soon as they come out in leaf, you see for yourselves and know that the summer is already near. So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all has taken place."

So, according to the scripture above, in the same way that one can know that summer is near by seeing the trees blossoming, in the same way when those signs begin to appear, then you can know that the end of the age is near. Therefore, to be grammatically correct, "this generation" would have refer to the generation where those signs begin to appear and not Jesus' generation. Mt.24 is a summary of the end-time events, where the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments in Revelation is a detailed account of those signs. Anyone who thinks that the plagues of Revelation have already taken place, does not understand the severity of the coming wrath.

 

[abcdef]

Hi brother Ahwatukee,

In Matt 24 they ask 3 questions, in Lk 21 they ask only 2. When will these things be and what is the sign?
The four apostles asked when will the temple be destroyed and what will be the sign of it's destruction? yes?in LK. 21.
Just as a starting place, isn't Lk 21:5-24 just about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad?
If not, where does he answer (in Lk) the two questions about the destruction of Jerusalem?

Peter said acts 2:16 says that THIS IS the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel.
I agree with you that this is a picture of the sixth seal, because it is a picture of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad,
the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem, not the final Day of the Lord v 20. The event was only 35-37 years away, it was his future not ours.

The end of the temple age,70 ad.

The signs do appear, Peter said so in Acts 2: 16-21, If he didn't mean what he said he wouldn't have continued.

Certainly the apostle John was still alive in 96ad, so he did see all these things.

It says when these things begin to happen Lk 21:28, surely the Day of Pentecost was the beginning according to Acts 2.

 

[PlainWord]

Hey
Ahwatukee,

Hello PlainTruth,

In Mt.24 Jesus is describing the signs that will precede his return to the earth to end the age. If you will notice in Mt.24:15, Jesus quoting from Dan.9:27 mentions the abomination that the antichrist will set up in holy place within the temple. According Dan.9:27, this event takes place in the middle of the seven years. That being said, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments run throughout the entire seven years. It is after the 7th bowl has been poured out that Jesus will return to the earth to end the age.

One of the problems many have is they equate Dan 9:27 with Mat 24:15. These verses are not linked at all. In fact the events are nearly 2,000 years apart. The Abomination of Desolation is not found in Dan 9:27. It is found only in Dan 11 and 12.

Dan 9 says this: and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate...

Overspreading of Abominations DOES NOT EQUAL Abomination of Desolation. I think I went over this with you before. Daniel's 70 weeks ended at the Cross at week 69.5. There is no 2,000 year break. None is taught, none is found. This false assumption has lead many to misread the passage. 70 weeks are determined. There is no break there.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression...

"The Transgression" is the "Killing of Messiah." Notice this:

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks.

Messiah the Prince arrives as Messiah when John the Baptist announces it at the start of His ministry. This event marks the end of Week 69. Week 70 was to last 7 years but Messiah was cut off at week 69.5.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

It was after week 69 that Messiah is cut off but before week 70 comes. Thus the 70 weeks are over at week 69.5, finished, DONE!!

So the 70 weeks are over then we are told this: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The Prince to come was Titus, not the AntiChrist. A flood of Roman solders destroyed the city in AD 70 (37 years after the end of Daniel's 70th week). Until the end of the Roman war of 67-73 AD, desolations of Jerusalem were determined. Daniel then goes back in verse 27 to give more detail just as he does in Dan 12. Dan 9:27, the first part is discussing Week 70 back in AD 30-33.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease..

The above describes Christ. Christ confirms the new covenant of His body and blood with many (Believers) for the one week but in the middle of the week, He is cut off at the Cross. This causes the sacrifices and oblations (bread and wine) to cease because after this point He was our sacrifice, and our bread and wine (body and blood) and no other sacrifice was recognized or accepted.

and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Because of the flood or overspreading of evil of the Jewish Pharisees, Christ will make the Temple desolate (37 years later with Titus). Guess what? The temple (on earth) remains desolate until after the Wrath, which is the consuming fire, is poured out on the "Desolate." This "desolate" are the Muslim invaders of Jerusalem during the Great Tribulation. Paul calls them the "desolate."

Gal 4:27 for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

The Desolate, or followers of Islam, Children of Hagar, have many more children than the Jews, those with a husband.

Again, Dan 9:27 does not mention any PLACING of the Abomination of Desolation in any Holy Place as Jesus tells us in Mat 24. Therefore study it's use in Dan 11 where it is discussed.

 

[abcdef]

Brother PlainWord, Just a thought,

Could it be that the seventy weeks ended in 70 ad? The numbers add up don't they?

 

[Ahwatukee]

One of the problems many have is they equate Dan 9:27 with Mat 24:15. These verses are not linked at all.

That is just another circumvention on your part PlainWord.

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[SUP][/SUP] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him" (Dan.9:27)

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." (Mt.24:15)

I'll let the readers decide for themselves whether or not Jesus is quoting Dan.9:27.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello abcdef,

In Matt 24 they ask 3 questions, in Lk 21 they ask only 2. When will these things be and what is the sign?

This is exactly why we have the gospels, so that by reading each of them we can get a full picture of what took place. For example, in Mark when those demonic beings collectively called "Legion" meet Jesus, it states that they begged Jesus not to send them out of the area. Where in the Matthew, they said "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” In Luke's version however, it states that Legion said, "and they begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss." By reading all of the gospel versions, we can get a complete picture of the events contained in them.

In Matthew is states that his disciples asked "Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” We know that Jesus answer to them was focused on the signs leading up to his return to end the age. The end of the age takes place when the Lord returns to the earth where leading up to that time the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will dismantle all human governments as depicted by Nebuchadnezzar's dream of his statue in Dan.2:31-45, the last kingdom/government being that ten-toed kingdom of iron and partly baked clay. The Rock (Jesus Christ) falls on the feet of the statue and breaks it into pieces like chaff on a threshing floor and where it is blown away by the wind never to be found again, i.e. the end of all human government. Then the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth, i.e. Christ's millennial kingdom.

I agree with you that this is a picture of the sixth seal, because it is a picture of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad,

My point was that, the 6th seal hasn't taken place yet and therefore, it could not have taken place at the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. In order for the 6th seal to take place, we would first have to have the 4th seal take place, which results in a fourth of the earth's population being killed, which would be approx. 1.75 billion people. Needless to say, the world has not seen that magnitude of fatalities, not even at the destruction of the temple. And prior to that seal, the 2nd seal would have had to have been broken, which is the rider on the red horse, the results being that he is given authority to take peace from the earth so that mankind kills each other. Suffice to say, even though we see many commotions in the world, there is still peace. When this seal takes place, all peace will be removed world-wide.

When interpreting end-time events, it is imperative to pay attention to all of the details. The day of Pentecost was when the apostles and new believer's received the promise of the Holy Spirit falling on them and they speaking in languages and prophesying. It was the truth of the gospel being demonstrated by the power of the Holy Spirit to distinguish it from all other religions.

The last seven years will commence when that ruler establishes his seven year covenant, that ruler being the antichrist who is also the rider on the white horse, the first seal. Until that first seal is opened, none of those events of wrath that follow will take place, for they all follow in chronological order seals 1 through 7, followed by trumpets 1 through 7, followed by bowls 1 through 7. After that the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. But, before the 1st seal is opened, the Lord will descend from heaven and gather the church dead and living and take us back to the Father's house prior to the first seal being opened, which initiates God's wrath.

 

[abcdef]

Hi Brother Ahwatukee,

I don't want to jump around too much, it clouds the specific understanding.

I would ask you, if you would please, for a short interpretation of Lk 21:5-33. Especially v20-24.

I did take the time to give you mine. Thank You.

 

[Crustyone]

Cheers.

Seriously. Eschatology makes me tilt my head like a puppy listening to an off-balance dryer. Pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib, millennial kingdom, anti-Christ, Daniel's 70-week prophecy, the number of the beast.

*woosh* Right over my head. All of it.

To clear it up you might try End Times Signs- Rapture Prophecy- Timelines Explained.