The Rapture

garee · Jul 13, 2017

I would offer.To prophesy is to declare the will of God as the word of God called prophecy .a difference I believe must be established .

Speaking of the future is one of the uses of the word of God. But the word prophecy is not restricted to that which is ahead and not that which is behind or is present. The word of God is not restricted to any time element as "I was", or "I will be" and not I Am .

The Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God is not adding to that will.. what we had in part up until the last words he put in the mouth of His prophet John , today we have the whole or the perfect .There are no laws missing by which we could know him who has no form more intimately. A warning not to add or subtract from the whole are the last new revelations spoken from heaven. It would seem today men need in some instances to go above that which is written and therefore violate the law not to .

garee · Jul 13, 2017

KJV1611 said:

All believers as a kingdom of priest typified as Levites are consdiered prophets. Prophet simple declare the word of God.(prophecy) God sends them out even today two by two as apostles, just as he sent out the apostle Moses or David to declare the will of God, the gospel of our salvation

iamsoandso · Jul 13, 2017

garee said:

I would offer.To prophesy is to declare the will of God as the word of God called prophecy .a difference I believe must be established .

Speaking of the future is one of the uses of the word of God. But the word prophecy is not restricted to that which is ahead and not that which is behind or is present. The word of God is not restricted to any time element as "I was", or "I will be" and not I Am .

The Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God is not adding to that will.. what we had in part up until the last words he put in the mouth of His prophet John , today we have the whole or the perfect .There are no laws missing by which we could know him who has no form more intimately. A warning not to add or subtract from the whole are the last new revelations spoken from heaven. It would seem today men need in some instances to go above that which is written and therefore violate the law not to .

see Revelation 14;6 and ponder how you have believed this whole time that you in fact already had the everlasting gospel and a messenger is going to preach it when you already believe you have it.

maverich · Jul 13, 2017

kjv1611 i am always one to back check
prophesy by definetion is God talking to 1 of his prophets or a revelation to man
i only say this because Peter by definetion is a prophet.
Flesh and blood did not reveal this Simon Peter but my Father in Heaven.
incidentally it is the first time God spoke directly to man since Malachi
hence the next verse upon this Rock, what rock, the rock is a foundation and upon the fact that my Father God is now speaking to man I can build a gathering.

KJV1611 · Jul 13, 2017

iamsoandso said:

A prophecy is a noun meaning something has been said that will come to pass in the future.

Prophesy is a verb meaning to speak about something that will come to pass in the future.

KJV1611 · Jul 13, 2017

garee said:

I would offer.To prophesy is to declare the will of God as the word of God called prophecy .a difference I believe must be established .

Speaking of the future is one of the uses of the word of God. But the word prophecy is not restricted to that which is ahead and not that which is behind or is present. The word of God is not restricted to any time element as "I was", or "I will be" and not I Am .

The Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God is not adding to that will.. what we had in part up until the last words he put in the mouth of His prophet John , today we have the whole or the perfect .There are no laws missing by which we could know him who has no form more intimately. A warning not to add or subtract from the whole are the last new revelations spoken from heaven. It would seem today men need in some instances to go above that which is written and therefore violate the law not to .

Excellent Garee... thank you.

KJV1611 · Jul 13, 2017

garee said:

The bible says that the prophets were until John, there are no new prophets or prophecies after John and I think you agree with that. We will prophesy the prophecies, but we wont prophesy a new prophecy... if that makes sense lol.

iamsoandso · Jul 13, 2017

KJV1611 said:

It is a tough question I'm asking and it has nothing to do with differences of words the question I am asking you is why did it cease as Paul said and if everything from Matthew to Revelation can be reconciled as a fulfilment of old testament prophecy verses a fulfilment of something new. Which is the point in that if you take these and explain them all away as fulfilments of old testament prophecies in the end you will realize you have not accounted for anything new. List the things from the new and don’t neglect if you have already stated they were an fulfilment of the old.

KJV1611 · Jul 13, 2017

maverich said:

Luke 16:16 KJV
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law ended at John, the prophets ended at John. Ever since John, the prophecies about the coming of the kingdom of God have been coming true and preached to the world. I think you will agree.

maverich · Jul 13, 2017

not 1 jot or tittle will pass away till all is fulfilled Jesus did it. that is why when the boys looked Jesus was their alone. Moses(the law) and Elijah(the prophet) gone. God said it best, "this my beloved son LISTEN TO HIM"
Paul said we should all pray to be gifted with prophecy. Here Jesus and repeat what he says.

little side thing the spoken word has power when reading an interesting scripture of when Jesus would speak to you directly, speak it out looud for their is a great chasm between the heart and the mind, your mind has to hear it for your brain to receive it

Ahwatukee · Jul 13, 2017

VCO said:

Hello VCO,

There are many that interpret that scripture as God shortening the last 3 1/2 years, but I have always interpreted it the same as you have, i.e. "if those days were allowed to go on any longer than what has been prophesied, then no one on the earth would be left alive." This is why I am continually telling these people who think that God will be protecting the church during his time of wrath, that they don't understand the severity of God's coming wrath. Regarding this, by my estimation, there will be less than 10% of the earths population left by the time the Lord returns to end the age and even that may be generous.

garee · Jul 13, 2017

iamsoandso said:

Hi thanks for the reply. I see that a little differently

The messenger warns of those who say we need more than he has revealed. They violate the warning no to add or subtract from the whole or perfect. Do we need more than he has revealed to know him more intimately?

I would think it is how we try the spirits to see if they are of God. All prophets who say they have received new prophecy like that of Mohamed or any other like Charles Russell or Jim Jones etc have violated the warning thye are shown as false prophets God sends a strong delusion to those so that they can beleive the lie that God is still adding to his now perfect word

The messenger in Revelation 14 was not adding to the everlasting gospel.. its what it was preaching to the chaste virgin bride of Christ, the church.

These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Rev 14:4

garee · Jul 13, 2017

KJV1611 said:

I would offer perfect sence comng from the perfect word... no longer having it in part.

KJV1611 · Jul 13, 2017

iamsoandso said:

What did Paul say ceased? Prophecy? Are you talking about 1 Corinthians 13:8? Paul said prophecies will FAIL not cease.

1 Corinthians 13:8 KJV
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

iamsoandso · Jul 13, 2017

KJV1611 said:

your avoiding the point and looking for translations that word this differently but the question still stands if you account for the old testament prophecies being fulfilled from Matthew all the way through Revelation and have accounted for all of the things as an fulfilment of old testament prophecy then you still need to show the new prophecies given in Acts 2 and explain them. The thing is you are all out of scriptures...

VCO · Jul 13, 2017

Issachar92 said:

MORE INFO ON THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE TEMPLE THAT SOLOMON BUILT, and it appears to be just South of the Old City in the City of David.

The Jewish Temple That May Prevent World War III

Dr Martin, Bob Cornuke Temple Location Disputed

KJV1611 · Jul 13, 2017

iamsoandso said:

You're not getting this at all. All of the old testament prophesies WERE NOT FULFILLED between Matthew and Revelation. There are still many prophecies left to be fulfilled, the rapture, the second coming, the milennial reign, resurrection and more. These things weren't fulfilled between Matthew and Revelation.

What I said was that there are no NEW prophecies MADE between Matthew and Revelation. Anything talked about from Matthew to Revelation was ALREADY prophecied in the old testament.

VCO · Jul 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

I agree whole heartedly.

It is scary to even think about how many will die horrible deaths during that time, BUT THANK GOD, I know I will be at the Wedding of the Lamb at that time.

It does not surprise me, but I have noticed, that we are getting more and more Scoffers, just like it was Prophesied. That war during that time kills a Third of the World's population outright, followed by post war sickness and disease killing 50% of the War's survivors. SO two thirds of the world's population are dead before GOD starts pouring out HIS WRATH, Massive Earthquakes, giant hail stones, HUGE meteorite mega storms, Antichrist beheading those who will not bow to him as god, and then the final plague of flesh rotting off the bone while they are standing; therefore I think you are right, it will be less than 10% survivors, maybe way less.

prove-all · Jul 14, 2017

VCO said:

I agree the Temple Mount today was actually a Roman building located
at the edge, but outside, of ancient Jerusalem, but this will not prevent ww3

“the worshipers of the Wailing Wall are directing their present devotions
and venerations to a Roman edifice that their ancestors in Herod’s time
held in utter contempt.”

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the accounts of the destruction of Jerusalem from several eyewitnesses.

Josephus, a historian-priest who recorded the destruction of the temple
and the city in great detail.

Titus, the Roman general who oversaw the final ruin of Jerusalem, as well
as Eleazar, a historianand leader of the last remnant of the Jewish resistance
at Masada. These eyewitnesses give a different picture of where the temple
was located compared to what people believe today.

Josephus records that Caesar gave orders to the Romans to “demolish the
entire city and temple.” He and Titus wrote that Jerusalem was completely
flattened. Josephus wrote: “t was so thoroughly laid even with the ground
by those that dug it upto the foundation, that there was left nothing to make
those that came thither believe it [Jerusalem] had ever been inhabited. …

“For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor if anyone that had
known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known
it again. But though he [a foreigner] were at the city itself, yet would he have
inquired for [its whereabouts].”

If the temple, along with all of Jerusalem, was completely destroyed, then
the massive walls of the so-called Temple Mount should not be standing.

If Josephus had been so wrong in these statements, as modern scholars
believe, he would have been thoroughly discredited anciently.

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came
to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them,
See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here
one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (Matthew 24:1-2).

Christ was talking about the temple and every single one of the temple
buildings. Christ was not discussing the end time in the first two verses.

the Greek word Jesus used to describe the temple and buildings was heiron.
That means the entire temple, including its exterior buildings and walls.”

Christ prophesied that the entire temple, including its exterior buildings
and walls, would be destroyed in the first century!

Vincent’s New Testament Word Studies says this about heiron:

“The word temple, heiron (literally, ‘sacred place’), signifies the whole compass
of the sacred enclosure, with its porticoes, courts and other subordinate buildings,
and should be carefully distinguished from the other word, naos, also rendered
‘temple,’ which means the temple itself—the ‘holy place’ and the ‘holy of holies.’”

Here is Mark’s account of this conversation: “And as he went out of the temple
[heiron], one of his disciples saith untohim, Master, see what manner of stones
and what buildings are here!” (Mark 13:1). [ pluralize building]

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“And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there
shall not be left onestone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (verse 2).

Mark 13:1-2 are talking about the a.d. 70 destruction. Christ looked directly at
the temple and the temple buildings when He gave this prophecy and said they
would be left without a single stone upon another. None of those buildings are
standing today!

As Christ wept over Jerusalem (Luke 19:41), He prophesied that the city would
be completely destroyed.“For the days shall come upon thee [Jerusalem], that
thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep
thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children
within thee; and they shallnot leave in thee one stone upon another …” (v43-44).

in the prophecies of Jesus, not only the stones that made up the temple and its
OUTER walls were to be torn down, but He also included within that destruction
the stones that comprised the totality of the city of Jerusalem.

Since the temple and all its walls were destroyed, what then is the edifice we
call the Temple Mount today? Why are those massive walls still standing?

Eleazar, the Jewish resistance leader, wrote, “Where is this city that was
believed to have God Himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to
the very foundations, and hath nothing left but that monument of it preserved,
I mean the camp of those [Romans] that hath destroyed it, which [camp] still
dwells upon its ruins ….”

Eleazar said the only thing unscathed from the war and still standing was
a facility located just beyond the border of ancient Jerusalem.

“That facility known as the Haram [or what is called the Temple Mount] was
officiallyreckoned as being beyond and outside the limits of Jewish Jerusalem.

That’s where the Dome of the Rock is today. It was not reckoned as being
part of the municipality of Jerusalem.”

Josephus said the Romans set fire to the whole city, demolishing even the walls.
Much of the destruction of the city of Jerusalem came after the war had ceased.

In regard to the total destruction of the temple and all its outer buildings,
a Hebrew version of Josephus (known as Josippon) states that when the inner
temple was set to the flames by the Romans, the Jewsknew their end was near.
So, to prevent the Romans from desecrating the temple by erecting another
‘abomination of desolation’like that of Antiochus Epiphanes, the Jews systematically
tore down all the inner temple and all its outer buildingsand appurtenances in order
to leave nothing of the former temple for anyone to pollute.”

Here is what the history of Josippon states: “So the flames destroyed the holy
of holies. And when the [Jewish] leaders of the rebels and their followers who
were still in the city [of Jerusalem] saw that the holy of holies had been burned,
they burned the rest of the temple together with every mansion in Jerusalem,
so that the Romans should not rule over them. And they also burned down the
rest of the temple buildings,saying: ‘Now that the holy of holies has been
burned, why go on living? Why leave house or building?’”

“I heard this angel saying to the angels who held the torches, ‘Now destroy
the walls [of the temple and Jerusalem] and overthrow them to their foundations
so that the enemies [the Romans] do not boast and say, “We have overthrown
the wall of Zion and we have burnt down the place of the mighty God.”’”

the Jews themselves helped destroy the temple so that it not be polluted
is reflected in an early Jewish work called Second Baruch.

“f those rectangular walls of the Haram are those which surrounded the
Temple Mount, as we are informed by all authorities today, why did Josephus
and Titus leave out any mention about this magnificent Haram structure?
That is, where the Dome of the Rock is, and the Wailing Wall.

“The temple was especially vulnerable because the soldiers knew that was the
central treasury of the nation. Such great quantities of gold were discovered in
the ruins of Jerusalem in the sweep for riches that Josephus said the price of
that metal in the eastern empire plummeted to half its former value. …

Indeed, after an absence of about four months, Titus returned to Jerusalem
from Antioch and once again viewed the ruined city. Jerusalem was now turned
upside down without a stone left in place (just as Jesus said). Josephus states
what Titus saw. … ‘Yet there was no small quantity of the riches that had been
in that city still found among the ruins, a great deal of which the Romans dug up .’”

Even though people believe almost unanimously today that the Wailing Wall
is part of that former temple, before the 16th century “there was not a Jew in
the world who paid the slightest respect to that western Wailing Wall,”

prove-all · Jul 14, 2017

Jacob laid down on stones,
but awoke on only one stone.

Jacob, tired after a long journey, stopped for the night. “And he lighted upon
a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set;

and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows,
and lay down in that place to sleep” (Genesis 28:11).

-Notice that it says he took of the stones—plural—and put them—plural
—for his pillows, probably covered with his coat or some animal hide.

“And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the Lord is in this place;
and I knew it not” (verse 16).

-What made Jacob think that?

“And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but
the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven”(verse 17). These are profound words!

Jacob was commenting about something that had happened.
He realized God was there, and there was a gate into heaven the way he viewed that.

“And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows,
and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it” (verse 18).

Notice—now those “stones” from verse 11 are a single “stone.”
These stones became a stone! There is no other way that you can read the Hebrew.

His statement “How dreadful is this place” is a poor translation.
Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon defines the word dreadful as “to fear;
to reverence as one’s parents; to tremble for joy; stupendous;admirable; wonderful.”

Jacob was filled with wonder and joy at what had happened! He realized that God had
performed a tremendous miracle! These stones had literally become a stone:
Jacob’s pillar stone.

Thus begins the history of England’s “stone of destiny”!
What had been a pillow, Jacob turned into a “pillar.”
The word for pillar, matstsebah in the Hebrew, means a memorialstone.

What did God want us to remember about that stone?
What is it a memorial of? This was an event where God was very personally involved,
performing miracles! Jacob knew it was something to really get excited about!

Jacob changed the name of that place to Bethel, which means house of God. This stone
was called thehouse of God, and that place where the stone was located was also
called the house of God. God actually dwelled there, in that house!

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