The Return of Jews to Israel

zone · Apr 15, 2013

psssttt.....Pete.
God fulfilled His Promise.
haven't you read?

course this isn't about Jesus for you anyways...it's about L-A-N-D.

John 3:3
Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."

John 3:5
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:3
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

PeteWaldo · Apr 16, 2013

zone said:

Come on Zone, what your fellow anti-Zionist Muslim peeps are doing isn't about L-A-N-D, or Israel, but about you being joined in the Islamic conquest of the world, that you support in Israel. Perhaps you missed the post at this link: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine-22.html#post994926

wdeaton65 · Apr 16, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

Pete, Do you really believe that Zone and other like minded people are part of a islamic conquest of the world? You are just goofing around right. I have been reading and following alot of her posts and others like her. I use Zone because I think she is the best at getting information about your lies and propaganda and than she calls you on it and you skirt the issue. and start something else. So if myself and others dont support this killing and murderous idea they call the zionist movement. What does that mean? Are you saying we are your enemies? I love JESUS Yeshua I have the Holy Spirit in me I will never support the killing of anyone. My question is how can anyone support the killing of anyone group of people for any reason and call themself a follower of the Messiah? Please help me to understand why you feel this way thanks.

zone · Apr 16, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

LOLOLOLOL

you mean i get to take over the WORLD?

wow.

DRETT! this is our chance!

i'll make you Prime Minister or summink

Pete, i'd feel safer smack dab in middle of 500 muslims than 50 xtian zionists.
you don't teach anything remotely resembling christianity.

zone · Apr 16, 2013

wdeaton65 said:

Pete, Do you really believe that Zone and other like minded people are part of a islamic conquest of the world? You are just goofing around right. I have been reading and following alot of her posts and others like her. I use Zone because I think she is the best at getting information about your lies and propaganda and than she calls you on it and you skirt the issue. and start something else. So if myself and others dont support this killing and murderous idea they call the zionist movement. What does that mean? Are you saying we are your enemies? I love JESUS Yeshua I have the Holy Spirit in me I will never support the killing of anyone. My question is how can anyone support the killing of anyone group of people for any reason and call themself a follower of the Messiah? Please help me to understand why you feel this way thanks.

it's surreal.
hehehe.

PeteWaldo · Apr 16, 2013

wdeaton65 said:

There are only two sides. The Dar al Salaam (house of peace) and the Dar al Harb (house of war). If you are a Muslim you are in the "house of peace" and if you are a non-Muslim you are in the dar al-Harb or "house of war" and while you may not be at war against Islam, Islam has been at war against you for 1400 years.

Israel is just one front in the Islamic conquest of the world. There are ONLY TWO SIDES.

wdeaton65 said:

I am as serious as Muhammad's true followers that GET Islam, who are commanded to conquer the world, and subjugate you and your heirs to DISBELIEVING the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God and REJECTING His shed blood as articles of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone. .

Subjugate you and your heirs to prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.

wdeaton65 said:

We be surprised at yet another that lodges hollow accusations?

wdeaton65 said:

Why argue like a Muslim in generalities, rather than specifics?

wdeaton65 said:

If by quoting the Quran and Hadith and what Muhammad commanded his people to do, they actually consider it a holy book rather than "propaganda".

wdeaton65 said:

Again, if you don't intend to remain a coward, you will be specific about what issue(s) to which you refer.

wdeaton65 said:

Then why woudl

wdeaton65 said:

And you would be more than happy and content to have a neighbor of yours rain thousands of rockets randomly down into your neighborhood while demanding that your government do absolutely nothing about it.

wdeaton65 said:

I'll paraphrase Benjamin Netanyahu's more unfortunately politically correct statement:

"If the Muslims put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"

There are only two sides. Your disdain for Jews causes you to choose the side of the Islamic conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Israeli Christians and Israeli non-Muslim Arabs to Israeli Muslims, and conversion of Israel into just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.

I choose the side of the continuation of freedom, liberty and right to self-determination and self-rule provided by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, to the benefit of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims - where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth.

God gave us all the free will to choose.
I wish you luck with your choosing to support the ONLY group that follows A FALSE PROPHET, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF WHICH is NECESSARILY ANTICHRIST as an ARTICLE OF THEIR FAITH in the false prophet Muhammad. That's 1/4 of mankind that are also required to DISBELIEVE the crucifixion of Christ, and DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood, AS ARTICLES OF FAITH in THE false prophet Muhammad. That's 1.5 billion people that are taught that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name, is to commit the single most egregious - and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN ("shirk") - as compared to child rape, or cold blooded mass murder, for example, which may be forgiven.

1.5 billion people commanded to conquer YOU and YOUR HEIRS and subjugate you to the same.

Here's the fruit of your support for Islam:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]From WND (please read the full article at the link): "'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]From WND "Christians warned: Accept Islamic law"[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Jihadia Salafiya and other Islamic movements will ensure Christian schools and institutions show publicly what they are teaching to be sure they are not carrying out missionary activity. No more alcohol on the streets. All women, including non-Muslims, need to understand they must be covered at all times while in public," Abu Asqer told WND.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza," he said.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Abu Saqer said Hamas "must work to impose an Islamic rule or it will lose the authority it has and the will of the people."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."[/FONT]

wdeaton65 · Apr 16, 2013

Zone has over and over destroyed your lies she just did and you said you were wrong that your post was a fake I dont remeber which one and calling me a coward you should watch your mouth you dont know me well enough to talk that way to me. That is the problem with the internet no accoutablity.

PeteWaldo · Apr 16, 2013

Let's see if you are capable of being honest, while actually responding to the OP of this thread.

So which is it? This goes for all you partial preterist punitive supersessionist anti-Zionists out there.

Israeli Jews VS the so-called "Palestinians" (as the godless mainstream media dupes folks into believing, using a term coined by a 2nd century ruler that was speaking for Satan in place of the New Testament term "Israel", that obscures the identities of Israeli citizens and the true nature of the conflict)

OR

Israeli MUSLIMS VS Israeli Jews, Israeli Christians and Israeli non-Muslim Arabs

Wikipedia article: "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"

If you want to pretend that Wikipedia article is exactly opposite of what the reality is, but then you would be suggesting that you believe that Israeli non-Muslim secular Arabs would prefer to live in the dhimmitude of a Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl marrying and doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.

Bukhari Book #58, Hadith #236 Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

PeteWaldo · Apr 16, 2013

wdeaton65 said:

I don't? How would you characterize someone that lodged empty unsupported accusations of lies against you, without specifics and while continuing to refuse to provide any - or repent from the accusations? A hero?
And since I don't believe scripture was pretty much all fulfilled in the first century, I can recognize what I see as fulfillment of prophecy.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

wdeaton65 said:

As you very aptly just demonstrated. Why don't you try answering the immediately prior post and actually address the subject of this thread?

zone · Apr 16, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

no Pete

...it's war-mongering xtian-zionist-dual-covenanters such as yourself who ROB JESUS AND HIS CHURCH of the Name Israel, have made this about unbelieving jews who hate Jesus - who at most are flesh israel and will not inherit - who could be saved and join us as spiritual/true Israel - BUT...YOU make it about - "the New Testament term "Israel", that obscures the identities of Israeli citizens and the true nature of the conflict".

what's that got to do with The Bible or Christ?
or anything at all?

WHAT IDENTITIES of which Israeli Citizens?

that LAND was NEVER called Israel.
it was called Khazaria.
the Land of Gog and Magog.

those Israelis?

geography why are you so hard?

PeteWaldo said:

haha....wow. oka-a-a-a-a-a-y.

deep breath.

O-O-O-O.......i-i-i-i-i-i'm......a-a-a-a-a-n......"amillennial-partial-preterist-antisemitic-punitive-antinomian-supersessionist-anti-Zionist-nazi-cessationist-supercalifragilisticexpialidociousist!"

wdeaton65 · Apr 16, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

I don't? How would you characterize someone that lodged empty unsupported accusations of lies against you, without specifics and while continuing to refuse to provide any - or repent from the accusations? A hero?
And since I don't believe scripture was pretty much all fulfilled in the first century, I can recognize what I see as fulfillment of prophecy.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

As you very aptly just demonstrated. Why don't you try answering the immediately prior post and actually address the subject of this thread?

Zone just did it again Pete BAZINGA THATS GOT TO HURT Thanks Zone

zone · Apr 16, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

Supersessionism, fulfillment theology, and replacement theology are terms for the biblical interpretation that the New Covenant supersedes or replaces the Mosaic Covenant,[1][2] the latter thus also referred to as the Old Covenant. The terms do not appear in the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, however, the view they cover is considered part of most traditional Christian views of the Old Covenant, viewing the Christian Church as the inheritor of the promises made with the children of Israel.[3][4] This view contrasts with the minority views of dual-covenant theology on the one side and abrogation of Old Covenant laws on the other.

so, Pete teaches Dual Covenant heresy.
he teaches the New Covenant did not supercede the Old.
he agrees with Therapon who says unbelieving jews are Old Testament (Covenant) Wineskin Jews who are saved by NOT having the New Wine of the New Covenant poured into them - because they would explode and perish at the Name of Jesus.

so they're saved as is.
under this other gospel, you'll actually be going against their other jesus to evangelize jews, since the jews will PERISH if they get New Wine poured into their Old Bottles.

here's what Pete teaches:

Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.

Many forms of Christianity, especially Conservative Protestants, consider this view to be heresy. Alternative Christian views are that the Law of Moses has been superseded or abrogated. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 1967, "The Law of the Gospel "fulfills," refines, surpasses, and leads the Old Law to its perfection."
wiki

apparently this needs to be continually brought forward.
for some reason this heresy just sticks like glue.
or summink worse.

zone · Apr 16, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

wha? LOL.
cough up.

where are the "unsupported accusations of lies.....without specifics"

huh? bring 'em...i've been posting specifics on your lies all along....you've been pretending to ignore me.
cowards do that Pete.

PeteWaldo said:

that passage isn't about Christians pete.
it's about muslims and jews and such.
so, no...i see no evidence you understand anything from scripture.

PeteWaldo said:

Re: The Return of Jews to Israel

most jews were NEVER in the Land of Israel - which we might as well for clarity sake call Palestine, since The Christian Church (jew and gentile) is Israel.

unless you're just into carnality 100%.
which i reckon you are..i dunno.
seems like it.

if so, what about a RIGHT OF RETURN to Israel for Arabs ethnically cleansed?

or should we just nuke 'em? or what?
what does Pamela Ghouler say?

zone · Apr 16, 2013

wdeaton65 said:

Christians consider Jesus to be the mediator of the New Covenant.[1] Depicted is his famous Sermon on the Mount in which he commented on the Law.

yes? no?

you'd think since some are sooooooooooo concerned with jews inheriting the Promises, they'd talk to you.
i reckon you don't count though...since you'd be a supercessionist?
kinda?

welcome to the apostasy, wdeaton.
buckle up.

Abiding · Apr 16, 2013

PeteWaldo is this true? Do you believe there are 2 covenants? at this time?

zone · Apr 16, 2013

Abiding said:

wdeaton65 · Apr 16, 2013

zone said:

Sis are you picking on the zionist lovers again? Dont you know those zionists are barely making it you know they only own Fed
Hollywood, Media, Puppet Governments including the US I mean come on Zone there barely making it. Dont worry about the millions they are starving in east Africa and out and out stealing everything they can. They have got to make a living to.
Those bail outs they promised they would never do that again and they said we will pay it back. All I can say is I believe them how about you.

PeteWaldo · Apr 17, 2013

wdeaton65 said:

Exhibiting again that you are unable to provide an answer. The trouble with truth, is that once you divert from it you are left unable to answer even to simple truth. It trashed your phony Roman Church styled doctrine and has rendered you a zombie parrot. You and Zone are certainly two peas in a pod. Quoting posts and then dithering on in wasted words completely unrelated to the content of even that which you quoted. Zone characterized here: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61157-prayer-renunciation-16.html#post993771
You falsely accuse, and then rather than repent and apologize, leave your false accusation unsupported. But it isn't me that you are going to be answering to, my friend. Perhaps if I had included a little more of the passage:

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was. 10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of [them] all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

You see? Your empty, unsupported, unanswered false accusation, is simply a sign of the times and a testament against yourself. And bear in mind that only a moral reprobate would characterize another Christian's legitimate difference of opinion on a doctrinal question, or difference in interpretation of scripture, as a lie, if that's what you were going to suggest.

And simply wishing you or Zone had replied to a post, does not constitute a reply. You failed to answer the above quoted, that you even quoted, as well as the prior post in which I asked:

And of course abject failure to reply to the content of the post at the following link, because you cannot deny, any more than Zone can, that you are joined with Muslims in the conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Israeli Christians and Israeli non-Muslim Arabs to Muhammad's followers.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-14.html#post995234
I praise the Lord I will not be standing in your shoes at judgment.

PeteWaldo · Apr 17, 2013

Abiding said:

No. I believe the old covenant waxed away just like scripture says. Jesus fulfilled the old covenant.

Now please indulge me with a straight forward answer to a question (unlike the other posters in here who have been exposed and left unable to reply). Do you believe that a remote tribesman that was never brought the Gospel, or a mentally retarded person, or even someone that is too young to understand the Gospel, would be condemned to hell in the event of their death, because they have not been born again?

PeteWaldo · Apr 17, 2013

wdeaton65 said:

Those are your peeps conquering Africa. I'll add bracketed helper words to help you see through the smokescreen of the political correctness of an Islam coddling media:

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, [Muslim] rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed [Muslim] Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the [Muslim] militia attacks are horrifying. "They (Muslims) killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five [Muslim] militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they (Muslims) abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they (Muslims) would find any [more] women, they (Muslims) would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

True followers of Muhammad, completing the sex act in rape, as commanded and exampled by Muhammad: Bukhari Book #62, Hadith #137: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."

Muhammad's true followers, that you support, in their Islamic conquest of Israel as well. The fruit of YOUR efforts:

From WND: "'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."
"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."

From WND "Christians warned: Accept Islamic law"
Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."
"Jihadia Salafiya and other Islamic movements will ensure Christian schools and institutions show publicly what they are teaching to be sure they are not carrying out missionary activity. No more alcohol on the streets. All women, including non-Muslims, need to understand they must be covered at all times while in public," Abu Asqer told WND.
"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza," he said.
Abu Saqer said Hamas "must work to impose an Islamic rule or it will lose the authority it has and the will of the people."
"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."

wdeaton65 said:

It's their job, in the mold of their "messenger" before them.

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners (the females, as sex slaves, after beheading the innocent young Jewish farm boys and their dads and grandpas of the Banu Qurayza). And He made you heirs of their lands, (theft of their real estate) their houses, (theft of their homes) and their goods, (theft of the fruit of the labor of generations of Jews) giving (stealing) you a land which you had not traversed before(which belonged to someone else). And Allah has power over all things."
http://www.brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

The false prophet Muhammad's self-serving alter-ego "Allah" awarding him 1/5 of all the property stolen, just like a Mafia Don: Ishaq:465 "Then the Apostle divided the property, wives, and children of the Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah's Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders - giving the horse two shares and the rider one. A Muslim without a horse got one share of the spoil. It was the first booty in which lots were cast."

YOUR PARTNERS IN GLOBAL CONQUEST.

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