The Satanic Statue Being Made for Oklahoma's Statehouse Is Coming Along Nicely

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oldthennew

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1JOHN 5:19-20-21.

We know that we are of God and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

We know that The Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding,
that we may know Him that is True, even in His Son Jesus Christ.
This is the True God, and Eternal Life.

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
 
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kaylagrl

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Ah see now we're getting somewhere. Do you think it's more effective to show those who feel the need to get an abortion love? To offer them help in their our of need? To show them the gift that is inside them? Or to stand in a large group, shouting about how they're murdering children? It all comes back to free will and condemnation, really. The greater testimony of God's work would be for those who put it up to decide of their own free will to take it down. Not for a group of christians to demand it be done, or to vandalize it. Also, fun fact, the statue has not even been agreed to be put up. They are merely building it in HOPES that it will be put there. They still haven't settled the lawsuit brought against the 10 Commandments monument. So they can't even approve it yet. There is still time for it not to go through. So, we could be praying that the hearts of these men are softened and redeemed through their wickedness as we speak, see? We can't limit god. We know where the true power is. So maybe the prayer we ought all to have on our hearts is how to combat this on a spiritual plane. We know God turns all things to good. For all we know, he may even allow this to be built to show that the reach of Satanic and Occult practice has now come full on out of the darkness in our country. This may just be the little "sign" some people need to wake up and smell the Book of Revelations, you know? I know it's hard to imagine. In short, I'd just hate to see mighty men and women of God to be afraid or even provoked to anger over this act which, if anything, shows the childishness of that faith. Lol I'm reminded of the Men's movement directly following the "burning bra" era of feminism. It's just a sad, public "....Oh, yeah? Well... we can do it too so *playground hand gestures*". This act is encouraging to me. Why? Because if tomorrow, the tribulation started, and every monument, church, or place of worship were demolished, I would STILL praise him and be filled with His Holy Spirit.
*selah*

Our God is too powerful to depend on symbols and Idols or even buildings to be praised in. But you know who isn't? Satan.. he needs these things. He needs deception, he needs idols, HE needs symbols. And I laugh in his face for it. Lol. He just wants to be God soooo badly. The poor, miserable creature that he is. So, as for me, I will continue to praise God and watch His will be done. Statue, or no statue.

Bless you sister. I think this discussion has been an eye opener for us all. And I pray that we each meditate on his word and will for our actions and reactions in these matters.

I dont know how I feel about standing outside an abortion clinic.I know people who have but I dont know that I think it does any good.I know it must seem Im on both sides of the issue.I guess maybe I am. I dont believe the statue holds power,I dont necessarily think the law could or should do something about it.Maybe it just surprises me that in a Christian country this can be done. Maybe its the generation I grew up in compared to yours.I grew up in the hell fire,brimstone so hot you could smell the sulfur generation.I dont think that was always the best way.I guess it all comes down to balance.Am I making any sense at all? :(
 
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hannahbeth1124

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I dont know how I feel about standing outside an abortion clinic.I know people who have but I dont know that I think it does any good.I know it must seem Im on both sides of the issue.I guess maybe I am. I dont believe the statue holds power,I dont necessarily think the law could or should do something about it.Maybe it just surprises me that in a Christian country this can be done. Maybe its the generation I grew up in compared to yours.I grew up in the hell fire,brimstone so hot you could smell the sulfur generation.I dont think that was always the best way.I guess it all comes down to balance.Am I making any sense at all? :(
Of course you are, sister. Of course. It's alright to be bothered by these things. But we know where to find comfort, don't we? :) We have that advantage. I will pray for God's peace to wash over you in all things. I do understand where you're coming from. My mother was raised in that generation as well. And only recently through delving into the Word has she realized just how little man's action has to do with His plan. Heck I had a moment like this days ago when the Muslim Praying over congress happened. But I came to realize through a wonderful conversation with a dear friend, and prayer to His name, I came to realize something... The bible even tells us this world is fallen. And that the closer we get to the end of days, the more these things will be done right out in the open. What once was considered right will be "wrong", and the sixth trumpet will sound. But we get the incredible gift of understanding and discernment in even these little matters. Peace, sister. Ask for peace. :)
 
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kaylagrl

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Of course you are, sister. Of course. It's alright to be bothered by these things. But we know where to find comfort, don't we? :) We have that advantage. I will pray for God's peace to wash over you in all things. I do understand where you're coming from. My mother was raised in that generation as well. And only recently through delving into the Word has she realized just how little man's action has to do with His plan. Heck I had a moment like this days ago when the Muslim Praying over congress happened. But I came to realize through a wonderful conversation with a dear friend, and prayer to His name, I came to realize something... The bible even tells us this world is fallen. And that the closer we get to the end of days, the more these things will be done right out in the open. What once was considered right will be "wrong", and the sixth trumpet will sound. But we get the incredible gift of understanding and discernment in even these little matters. Peace, sister. Ask for peace. :)
Yes I felt the same way about the Muslim praying in congress.I think that the world is changing so fast it is hard for the church to keep up with it.I do know that this world will get worse though I shudder to think how much worse it could get when I look at this world right now. Still as Christians I think there are things we need to stand up for.But I also agree that it is the spiritual realm where the battle is won.Years ago I read some books by Frank Peretti,fictional but talking about what goes on in the spiritual world as we are living our everyday lives.The battle that happens that we dont see.Very enlightening.
 

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Here we go again.What point are people trying to make?Why to they fight so hard against someone they dont believe in?Why do they have to drive home a point? They are against Christianity,we got it.Its just funny to me that they fight so hard against someone they swear isnt there in the first place. smh
They may deny Jesus. What they may not be aware of! They may be motivated and tempted by the enemy of which the Bible speaks of. For the Scriptures teach us. We do not struggle with flesh and blood.
 

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They love evil, and most people ignore that these lovers of evil "rule" over them....

Denver International Airport “Blucifer”, “Satan’s Steed”, and, “Blue Devil Horse”

 
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hannahbeth1124

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Yes I felt the same way about the Muslim praying in congress.I think that the world is changing so fast it is hard for the church to keep up with it.I do know that this world will get worse though I shudder to think how much worse it could get when I look at this world right now. Still as Christians I think there are things we need to stand up for.But I also agree that it is the spiritual realm where the battle is won.Years ago I read some books by Frank Peretti,fictional but talking about what goes on in the spiritual world as we are living our everyday lives.The battle that happens that we dont see.Very enlightening.
He's a talented author, to be sure. I've read a lot of his works.
 
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To you and hannahbeth,respectfully,I disagree. John the Baptist called out the king in public because he was sleeping with his brothers wife.I do not believe John,Peter,Paul etc were they living today be ok with a huge statue to satan.I believe they would publicly rebuke it.If fact as someone once said I believe Peter or John etc. were they alive today,they would be thrown in prison within an hour.I grew up in a day in age with preachers on the street preaching the gospel.Now days that is forbidden.We,myself included,have been lulled to sleep with this PC nonsense.I cannot believe John the Baptist would see a gay couple being affectionate in public and not rebuke them and tell them Christ had a better way.These men were put in prison for a reason.What have we done lately to defend the gospel that would put us in prison?! Alas I convict myself in saying it.Its more than "icky" feelings about a statue.It's more than the statue is ugly,it could be the most handsome thing sculpted,my reaction would be the same.This is a statue to satan and it offends me to my very core.As it should any Christian.As I said I believe good old Peter or John wouldnt look at that and say "oh well,religious freedom" and go on their way.No sir they would not! Somewhere we take a stand for what is right.I disagree that the founding fathers didnt have the Christian God in mind when founding this country.I believe that to be revisionist history. Sorry but I disagree with you both on this one friends.
It doesn't seem you disagree with me on the sentiments actually. Everything you wrote in this post I either agree with or it isn't too far off from what I believe. You SHOULD have the right to protest this statue, just as the Church of Satan should have the right to display it. I would never tell you NOT to dislike it and I'd never dream of asking you to be proud of it. If I had children, I would protest anything that the statue represents! I would also explain to them the BLESSING and CURSE of free will and liberty. That because we have the gift of free will and liberty in this nation, we need to allow people to exercise their religious liberty too.

The real disagreement is that you want to use the law to stop being from exercising their religious liberty. That is the only fundamental difference you and I have. We both would love for it to come down; How it comes down might be different. Can you see that or do you not understand this isn't about accepting sin as much as it's about religious liberty?
 
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I should clarify, your call-to-action sounded like you wanted to use the law to stop people from exercising their religious liberty.
 
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I should clarify, your call-to-action sounded like you wanted to use the law to stop people from exercising their religious liberty.
Yes, God has set everyone free to choose which direction they want to follow; because if a person was made to obey but in their hearts, they didn't wanted to obey makes them lukewarm and God preferred us to be one or the other in order for Him to make His judgment. But that statue is just hideous to look at.

Free-will,

Revelation 22:11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”



 
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kaylagrl

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I should clarify, your call-to-action sounded like you wanted to use the law to stop people from exercising their religious liberty.
No I guess Im not really thinking about our world so much as the spiritual world. Sort of when Elijah faced the priests of Baal.Do you know where I am coming from?
 
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hannahbeth1124

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Oh, dear. That's a Mormon website, honey.
 
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kaylagrl

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Oh, dear. That's a Mormon website, honey.
Lol oh my! Thats what happens when you post early in the AM. I like the picture stories for children though.Easier to understand :)
 
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hannahbeth1124

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Hahaha absolutely. I am actually looking into illustrated homeschool ruberic to help the kids I'll be working with (one day) in uganda To help them understand minus thees ans thous. :)
 
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kaylagrl

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Hahaha absolutely. I am actually looking into illustrated homeschool ruberic to help the kids I'll be working with (one day) in uganda To help them understand minus thees ans thous. :)
You are going into missionary work? I had a friend that was a missionary to Uganda,they loved the country and went back may times to do work there.I greatly admire anyone who does missionary work. Very big and giving hearts missionaries have.I know God will bless you for your obedience to His call. <3
 
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hannahbeth1124

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My mother actually purchased land for an orphanage there in a village that's very dear to our hearts. We're brainstorming on how to raise funds for a well. :D And thank you sister! I pray the same for you.
 
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It doesn't seem you disagree with me on the sentiments actually. Everything you wrote in this post I either agree with or it isn't too far off from what I believe. You SHOULD have the right to protest this statue, just as the Church of Satan should have the right to display it. I would never tell you NOT to dislike it and I'd never dream of asking you to be proud of it. If I had children, I would protest anything that the statue represents! I would also explain to them the BLESSING and CURSE of free will and liberty. That because we have the gift of free will and liberty in this nation, we need to allow people to exercise their religious liberty too.

The real disagreement is that you want to use the law to stop being from exercising their religious liberty. That is the only fundamental difference you and I have. We both would love for it to come down; How it comes down might be different. Can you see that or do you not understand this isn't about accepting sin as much as it's about religious liberty?
There was no religious freedom to worship other gods in the nation of Israel when they were faithful to God. They are to obey God's Laws. God is still the same God yesterday, today, and forever. While I am grateful for the religious freedoms I have here in the States, I know it is ultimately God that has allowed for such a thing to be so and not man. The restriction of the worship of evil is not wrong. There is only one God. Not many gods. In other words, God created laws for people's protection for their personal well being in having a relationship with them.

Nations create laws to protect their people so as to be an efficiently running nation that is strong and prosperous. But nations are not really concerned about what God wants. That is why Jesus Christ will one return to destroy all the nations when he returns. All the nations will one day literally fight Jesus Christ. But to say that we should approve of religious liberty like Satanism is not correct or right. That would be an approval of evil. For one day, the Antichrist is going to set up a one world religion where everyone is going to worship the image of the beast and take a mark. What then? Should we approve of such evil?
 
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hannahbeth1124

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There was no religious freedom to worship other gods in the nation of Israel when they were faithful to God. They are to obey God's Laws. God is still the same God yesterday, today, and forever. While I am grateful for the religious freedoms I have here in the States, I know it is ultimately God that has allowed for such a thing to be so and not man. The restriction of the worship of evil is not wrong. There is only one God. Not many gods. In other words, God created laws for people's protection for their personal well being in having a relationship with them.

Nations create laws to protect their people so as to be an efficiently running nation that is strong and prosperous. But nations are not really concerned about what God wants. That is why Jesus Christ will one return to destroy all the nations when he returns. All the nations will one day literally fight Jesus Christ. But to say that we should approve of religious liberty like Satanism is not correct or right. That would be an approval of evil. For one day, the Antichrist is going to set up a one world religion where everyone is going to worship the image of the beast and take a mark. What then? Should we approve of such evil?
I don't think anyone here is "okay" with the worship of evil. But I think allowing people the freedom to choose God, rather than forcing it upon them, is a different matter entirely. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but "taking the mark" when the sixth trumpet sounds and allowing people their freedom to come to God when they've seen the light for themselves are, again, two very different things. We know these things are coming to pass. We know. It's not guesswork. It's laid out for us, plain as day, in the book of Revelations. Our goal should not be constrained to man's laws.

[h=1]Ephesians 6:12Amplified Bible (AMP)[/h]12 For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.
 
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hannahbeth1124

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Also, take a look at Ezekiel. :) It's a good read and shows us just how far God allowed things to fall for people to see the error of their ways. It's a theme repeated again and again in the bible. The righteous men always spoke out against it, but you never see the hearts of wicked men turned by that. They're only turned when God turns them. And we can aid in that by battling this in Spirit and not by any constraints placed on us by man's law. If we all feel so strongly about it, why are we not going out and helping others find Jesus? Why are we contented in complaining over events like these? I think a few of us here may be suffering from "fat sheep syndrome". lol We've gotten so comfortable in our salvation, we forgot about our "honeymoon phase" with the Lord. We need a refreshed and renewed faith that helps us to bring others into the light. Not a "political stance", not a "protest", not "personal objection", but overwhelming love and compassion that shows WHY we believe what we do. Not condemnation, but redemption. You see my point? It's kind of a big deal in our faith. lol