The word Allah does not always refer to a false God

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kentappel

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I like to make posts that are thought provoking. Consider that the word Allah often carries with it a negative connotation of the false God of Islam but the word itself can be used to describe the true God of the Bible. The word Allah simply is the word for God in the Arabic language and it is the word Arab Christians and even Arab Jews, yes there is such a thing as an Arab Jew, would call God. An Arabic Bible would call God Allah in this language and it would not be describing the God of Islam and an Arabic Bible is just as legitimate of a Bible as any other Bible.

So Arab Christians and Arab Jews would have called God by the word Allah about 600 years before Muhammad was even born when the Muslim religion didn't even exist yet. On the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 there were Arabs among the devout Jews who heard the gospel in their own language, refer Acts 2:11 below, who were to become some of the first Christians and they would have called God by the word in their own language, Allah, and they would not have been referring to the false God of Islam.

Before anybody reacts to this post and points out that Allah is the moon God I am not saying that is who God is at all but, again, simply that the word Allah is the word for God in Arabic. It is the Muslims who have in effect taken over the word but it really isn't theirs to take, they don't own the word.


Acts 2:1-11
James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]1[/SUP] When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[SUP][a][/SUP] in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, [SUP]11 [/SUP]Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
 

crossnote

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Popular usage is Allah refers to a god who has no son. So in that sense Allah is different from who we consider God to be.
 
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I like to make posts that are thought provoking. Consider that the word Allah often carries with it a negative connotation of the false God of Islam but the word itself can be used to describe the true God of the Bible. The word Allah simply is the word for God in the Arabic language and it is the word Arab Christians and even Arab Jews, yes there is such a thing as an Arab Jew, would call God. An Arabic Bible would call God Allah in this language and it would not be describing the God of Islam and an Arabic Bible is just as legitimate of a Bible as any other Bible.

So Arab Christians and Arab Jews would have called God by the word Allah about 600 years before Muhammad was even born when the Muslim religion didn't even exist yet. On the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 there were Arabs among the devout Jews who heard the gospel in their own language, refer Acts 2:11 below, who were to become some of the first Christians and they would have called God by the word in their own language, Allah, and they would not have been referring to the false God of Islam.

Before anybody reacts to this post and points out that Allah is the moon God I am not saying that is who God is at all but, again, simply that the word Allah is the word for God in Arabic. It is the Muslims who have in effect taken over the word but it really isn't theirs to take, they don't own the word.


Acts 2:1-11
James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]1[/SUP] When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[SUP][a][/SUP] in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, [SUP]11 [/SUP]Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”


Any Jew or Christian that uses the term Allah when referring to the God of the Holy Bible, uses the term as a translation of the original Hebrew and Greek, only.
 
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Hoffco

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To Kentappel. To prove your point, for me, you must quote the Arabic Bible, which I am assuming is the translation of The Hebrew Bible, Old Testament and the New Testament, translated into Arabic language. Show us that the Arabic Bible, translated from the Hebrew Bible into Arabic, uses Allah in place of the Hebrew name of God. The Koran is soooo infirior to the Jewish Bible from God. the koran can not to understood by even the Arabs. It is a bunch of garbage. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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Hoffco

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I am told ,the Arab can memorize the Arabic Koran and never understand a word of it. Love Hoffco
 
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This may be feasible it is my understanding as well that the modern arabic version of Bible uses word Allah for how they say God in their tongue.

If I were to forge a counter-point though I would say Allah is a shortened version of the more proper word al-Ilah that the ancient arabs of the apostle's time probably used. Perhaps going back to this version of the arabic language for arabic speaking Christians be helpful to make distinction between Islam and The True God would be useful just to avoid the confusion in today's time. Nevertheless good points!
 
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Hoffco

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to GodIsSalvation, This is my point, To Kenkappel, please quote the old and new Arabic translations of the Hebrew and Greek Testaments of the reaL Bible. The Jewish Bible. Salvation is of the Jews and of No Gentiles nation. love Hoffco
 

posthuman

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if i spoke Arabic, i would use the word Allah with a much different connotation.

our words are symbols of things, persons and ideas, and don't always mean the same thing to different people.
when a Mormon says "Jesus" he isn't talking about the Christ that i know, too.
 
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Show me that name in the Judeo/Christian Bible!

The one true God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not take that name and it is OBVIOUS that the God of Heaven is not associated with the God of the Muslims and or any other Ethnos associated with said name!
 
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rtfgirl

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You are grossly mistaken!!!!!!!!! All the names and titles of God are in the bible and Allah is not one of them! islam is born of satan and their greatest enemy is the jew, and since Jesus is the King of the Jews, and the King of Kings, all true Christians whether Jew or Greek (Gentile) are of the greatest disdain to islam.
 
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Hoffco

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to kenteppel, Are you saying there is salvation in the Koran? Because the Arabic bible is just as good as the Hebrew Bible? Or, are you saying, the Arabic TRANSLATION of the Jewish BIBLE is as good as the English translation orSwedish, etc, Bible translation. ? Love Hoffco
 
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Hoffco

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Every language, tribe, tongue, has OR will have the Jewish Bible in their tongue; In REV. we are told God will send an angel to preach the Gospel to all tongues at the END time. Love Hoffco
 

kentappel

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to kenteppel, Are you saying there is salvation in the Koran? Because the Arabic bible is just as good as the Hebrew Bible? Or, are you saying, the Arabic TRANSLATION of the Jewish BIBLE is as good as the English translation orSwedish, etc, Bible translation. ? Love Hoffco
As I said in my first post, Islam is a false religion. All I am saying is Arab Christians, speaking in their native language would call God the word Allah but they would not be talking about the false God of Islam. There is no salvation in the Koran and an Arabic Holy Bible is not the Koran and yes the Arabic Bible is as good as any other translation. We are to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to the whole world and the whole world includes Arabs who would read the Holy Bible in their own language. The Arab Holy Bible would have the same information as the English Holy Bible, the Spanish Holy Bible, the German Holy Bible, etc! etc! etc! And that information is that Jesus Christ, the one and only Son of God, Emmanuel, God with us, died to take away the sins of the world to save us, sinners who cannot save ourselves, Arabs included, and that He rose again on the third day!
 

kentappel

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Let me make it perfectly clear, I never said Islam is the truth and I am not defending Islam as, I have pointed out three times I believe it is a false religion. All I am saying is Allah is merely a word for God in Arabic and Muslims don't own this word. Hoffco do you realize that Arabs were there on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2?
 
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Kerry

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Allah is a false God. Could you see Allah( if this imaginary god was real) killing people that will not enter into Islam? Islam will kill you if you do not submit. And their bible gives them the right to do so and even say's that they can lie in negotiations if it means the propellant of Islam .

That is why peace negotiations are a moot point, They will lie and hide their weapons in the children bedroom and cry foul when it's blowed up with their children. I am a father and I love my children and I would never use them as shield. That is the cowards of Hamas and yes they are cowards and not men.
 

kentappel

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You are grossly mistaken!!!!!!!!! All the names and titles of God are in the bible and Allah is not one of them! islam is born of satan and their greatest enemy is the jew, and since Jesus is the King of the Jews, and the King of Kings, all true Christians whether Jew or Greek (Gentile) are of the greatest disdain to islam.
I agree, so what word would you have Arab Christians call God in their language? Again, I have said, now four times, that Islam is a false relgion. I don't know how I could make it any clearer!
 
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Kerry

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I agree, so what word would you have Arab Christians call God in their language? Again, I have said, now four times, that Islam is a false relgion. I don't know how I could make it any clearer!

Jesus, in their language.
 

kentappel

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Allah is a false God. Could you see Allah( if this imaginary god was real) killing people that will not enter into Islam? Islam will kill you if you do not submit. And their bible gives them the right to do so and even say's that they can lie in negotiations if it means the propellant of Islam .

That is why peace negotiations are a moot point, They will lie and hide their weapons in the children bedroom and cry foul when it's blowed up with their children. I am a father and I love my children and I would never use them as shield. That is the cowards of Hamas and yes they are cowards and not men.
I agree, I have never said Islam is the truth and now, this is six times I have said, it is false religion and there is no salvation in it at all. Allah is merely a word in the Arabic language that isn't the sole property of Muslims.
 

kentappel

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Show me that name in the Judeo/Christian Bible!

The one true God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not take that name and it is OBVIOUS that the God of Heaven is not associated with the God of the Muslims and or any other Ethnos associated with said name!
So should we rewrite Bibles written in Arabic? So the God of heaven is not associated with some of His children the whole ethnic group known as Arabs? You are sadly mistaken if you think this is the case. You do know that in places like Eygpt that there are Christian brothers and sisters risking everything to practice their faith who are persecuted by radical Muslims and those brothers and sisters in Christ are Arabs and God does associate with them!
 

stefen

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In Hindi Bible, the word GOD is translated as parameshwar which means the character Shiva in Hindusim.

I feel that the names / words does not matter here. In whom we keep our faith / hope matters. The name Jesus is translated as Yeshu, Yesu, Jesu, Yeshua, etc.. But does it matters here? God listens all our prayers while we pray in the name of Jesus Christ. The faith matters here, not the language.

Be blessed.