The word Allah does not always refer to a false God

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notuptome

notuptome

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kentappel said:
Exactly! So just because Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses use the word God when referring to their false God does not mean English speaking Christians should use another word for the true God.
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Often difficult to distinguish and when ever possible you must clearly define what you are endeavoring to say. I am reluctant to allow anything in the way of Allah to creep into the conversation as a name of Jehovah God because it will over time lead to more confusion. Reminds me of Catholics calling themselves Christians. English is such an imprecise language.

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didymos

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notuptome said:
(...) I am reluctant to allow anything in the way of Allah to creep into the conversation as a name of Jehovah God because it will over time lead to more confusion.
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As if calling the Lord GOD 'Jehovah'
(or 'Yahweh' or whatever) doesn't lead to confusion. :rolleyes:
 
notuptome

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But the use of the word Allah predates Islam as Arabs used this word as Jews and Christians hundreds of years before Muhammad was even born and the false religion we know as Islam even existed. Notice that in verse Acts 2:11 below, about the Day of Pentecost, Arabs were among the devout Jews who heard the wonderful works of God. So if they called God by the word Allah in their own language, long before the advent of Islam, they would not have been talking about the false God of Islam.

Acts 2:1-11New King James Version (NKJV)

1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[SUP][a][/SUP] in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, [SUP]11 [/SUP]Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
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How are you going to support the allegation that Arabs referred to Jehovah God as Allah? The pagan Arabs would have associated the name with their moon goddess not with Jehovah God.

The children of Ishmael certainly knew who Jehovah God was even if they resented it. Isaac is the child of the promise not Ishmael.

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notuptome said:
How are you going to support the allegation that Arabs referred to Jehovah God as Allah? The pagan Arabs would have associated the name with their moon goddess not with Jehovah God.

The children of Ishmael certainly knew who Jehovah God was even if they resented it. Isaac is the child of the promise not Ishmael.


For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Roger, Allah is simply the word for God in Arabic, nothing more or nothing less and yes pagan non Christian Arabs, if they believed in the moon goddess, would have used the word for their false god. Not all of the children of Ishmael resent or have historically resented Jehovah God as many believed in Him and many continue to believe in Him. We are to take the gospel to the whole world as it is God's wish that none should perish and all should come to repentance and that includes Arabs and since you support the cause of Christ, that should be your wish as well. Would you require Arabs to rewrite their Holy Bible and change their word for God? One more thing, in the Book of Revelation there are people from all ethnic groups who speak all languages who are praising God. Jesus Christ is the Savior for all people and if He isn't the Savior for all people, Arabs included, then He is the Savior for no one. By the way, the gentiles are also not the children of the promise gave to Israel either but millions upon millions of them will be grafted into the family just Arabs who have true faith of the true God of the universe will be grafted into His family as well. Sir, let go of your prejudice towards the Arab people as the true cause of Christ includes those Arabs who believe in Him in His family.


Also, how do you explain the millions of non Arab Muslims such as those from the former Soviet republics, Indonesia, The Philippines? Again, Islam is not an ethnic group but instead it is a religion.

Sir, have you even read from Acts 2:11 that shows that Arabs were among the devout Jews who heard the wonderful works of God? Those folks did not resent Jehovah God but instead they embraced Him! I don't know how you could read the follow passages from Acts 2 and still make the statements you are making because if you dispute Arabs were included in this, then you are disputing with the Bible, the word of God and not with me!

Acts 2:1-11New King James Version (NKJV)

1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[SUP][a][/SUP] in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, [SUP]11 [/SUP]Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
 
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When I was around ten years old or so and had a stepfather added to my family he was a Roman Catholic. His bible which was written in part Latin has the word Allah in it and he would use that word when ever something went wrong, like hitting your thumb with a hammer, or needing extra strength to accomplish something that word was always used. It means God-who is the Allah of Abe Is and Jacob. I use it myself when talking to the Father on occasions. Nothing wrong with it.
 
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directline2iam said:
When I was around ten years old or so and had a stepfather added to my family he was a Roman Catholic. His bible which was written in part Latin has the word Allah in it and he would use that word when ever something went wrong, like hitting your thumb with a hammer, or needing extra strength to accomplish something that word was always used. It means God-who is the Allah of Abe Is and Jacob. I use it myself when talking to the Father on occasions. Nothing wrong with it.
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Probably not, as long as you realize it is not the same Allah Muslims look to. I'd have problems using that name because of it's association.
 
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Probably not, as long as you realize it is not the same Allah Muslims look to. I'd have problems using that name because of it's association.
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You don't see also the advantage of it. You have mussies who were jealous because we have a written word of God but they didn't. So, they steal our Gods name and a few scriptures and make their own bible. That is a good thing. They now have a taste of our God, distorted, but none the less. We can talk Allah to them one on one, and use Gods true word to untwist their words. It's kind of like saying they have their foot in the door which makes it much easier to relate to them because we have someone in common. Allah-God. Their God, Their Allah is the same God, only Allah the Father don't listen to them because they don't pray to Him through Jesus the Christ. That is the only difference. Their God is old testament just like ours. Now if they had a totally different god, if would be very hard to break the barriers of understanding. But as it stands, this is a great opportunity for us to enhance biblical understanding because of it's association as you put it. But, this is what I believe. These people are not savages, I know as I used to talk to them in the otr trucking business. You and I don't see what the Spirit does as the full picture, but our belief and faith and hope is to call people to repentance and faith in Christ, and we let the Spirit do the rest. The difference between them and mormons is mors are brainwashed, mussies are mislead. I guess I better shut up before it gets turned into a book no one will read.
 
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Allah refers to the god that spoke to Mohammed and that is a false god. Allah was the chief idol worshiped in Mecca. And Mohammed adopted Allah as the god the created heaven and earth and they adopted the Christian and Jewish prophets to give Allah a bit of credibility. Don't fall for the trick allah is not God.
 
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There are some who say that Islam, Judaism and Christianity worship the same God, just because they read from the same Book, and use some of the same stories. This is false.
As religions, Jews and Muslims worship a false god. The true God is the God of the Church. If a person believes in God, then they accept Christ, and are in the Church,
but if they do not believe in God, then they reject Christ, and are not in the Church.

If a person says that they believe in God, but do not accept Christ, then they believe in a different god, or don't really believe at all.

In ministry and evangelism, I have found the similarities to be more of a hindrance than a help.
 
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As for the term Allah, it simply means God in Arabic, so to translate God in Arabic one would use the name Allah.
Our God has many names, but is also nameless in a sense. He calls Himself I AM. We serve a very mighty God whose mysteries are boundless. We call Him God, capital g, and this is fitting for what He has revealed of Himself,
but human language can never truly capture all of who God is, in any label.
 
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We still use the name Allah in arabic here and in all the middle east to refer to God for Christians because as you said, it's simply a translation in arabic to God, but in Malaysia now, Christians can't say Allah as God, because the muslims there think that's it's only a muslims word, so sad
 
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I prefer Father
 
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churchalive said:
Allah refers to the god that spoke to Mohammed and that is a false god. Allah was the chief idol worshiped in Mecca. And Mohammed adopted Allah as the god the created heaven and earth and they adopted the Christian and Jewish prophets to give Allah a bit of credibility. Don't fall for the trick allah is not God.
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How do you explain that Arabs on the Day of Pentecost from Acts 2 would have referred to God in their own language by the word Allah about 600 years before Muhammad was even born? Also, as I pointed, out Arab Christians continue to use this word and they are not talking about the God of Islam. Muslims have claimed ownership of the word for God in Arabic when the word isn't exclusively theirs.

By the way, I am not saying that just because Arab Christians, Arab Jews, and Arab Muslims would use the word Allah in Arabic as the word for God, that they worship the same God because they don't worship the same God at all.

I am betting there is a 50/50 chance that someone will not even read what I just wrote in the previous paragraph in this post and argue with me as if I said they all worship the same God even though I am not saying that at all.
 
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