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JohnB

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I wasn't referring to worship in church. I was referring to personal worship. And works in the verses you speak of wasn't what kept these people out of heaven, but the fact that they had no intimate relationship with God...I never knew you.

Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ Matthew 25:42
 

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You are viewing heaven from an earthly perspective. This is why you don't view earth from a heavenly perspective.
 

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Once again....explain how it's my fault....so far no one has.
I remember when I met the man who later became my husband. We looked for and took every opportunity to see each other and hang out...even if we were tired or the schedule was weird. True interest and love will cause people to sacrifice to be together.

When people here say it was your fault, I think they're saying you gave up too easily in pursuing and wooing. You can't blame God for not bringing someone to you when you refused to make an effort, even if it was difficult.

Reminds me of that story about The Drowning Man
https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-stories/popular-stories/the-drowning-man/

God seems to keep sending you opportunities but it sounds like you've dismissed them.

As an aside, have you tried meeting a Christian woman via online? I met my husband through ChristianCafe.com
 

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Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ Matthew 25:42
I'm not saying works aren't attended to by Christians. But notice...they weren't aware of their works. The works that count are those that are prepared for us as a result of being Christ's workmanship...Ephesians 2:10. That is, as we live, but not us, Christ living in and through us. This is what it means to walk according to the Spirit or being led of the Spirit.
Whatever we do in our own strength has a measure of sin in it. According to Isaiah 64:6, our righteousness is as filthy rags. But when we are moved by the Spirit, who cannot sin, we walk in righteousness. We also do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
There is a life of God hidden in Christ which I'm not sure you have experienced to much degree. I am suggesting to you that there is much more to a relationship with God than you have yet to know. And I'm suggesting that even if you are troubled by such a thought, to ask God to increase the intimacy of your relationship with Him.
 

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I'm not saying works aren't attended to by Christians. But notice...they weren't aware of their works. The works that count are those that are prepared for us as a result of being Christ's workmanship...Ephesians 2:10. That is, as we live, but not us, Christ living in and through us. This is what it means to walk according to the Spirit or being led of the Spirit.
Whatever we do in our own strength has a measure of sin in it. According to Isaiah 64:6, our righteousness is as filthy rags. But when we are moved by the Spirit, who cannot sin, we walk in righteousness. We also do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
There is a life of God hidden in Christ which I'm not sure you have experienced to much degree. I am suggesting to you that there is much more to a relationship with God than you have yet to know. And I'm suggesting that even if you are troubled by such a thought, to ask God to increase the intimacy of your relationship with Him.
"But notice...they weren't aware of their works " HUH?
 

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"But notice...they weren't aware of their works " HUH?
They asked...when did we?
At any rate, this distracts from the real point I'm making and I hope you don't miss it...God saves us that He might reveal Himself to us and through us.
 

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I remember when I met the man who later became my husband. We looked for and took every opportunity to see each other and hang out...even if we were tired or the schedule was weird. True interest and love will cause people to sacrifice to be together.

When people here say it was your fault, I think they're saying you gave up too easily in pursuing and wooing. You can't blame God for not bringing someone to you when you refused to make an effort, even if it was difficult.

Reminds me of that story about The Drowning Man
https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-stories/popular-stories/the-drowning-man/

God seems to keep sending you opportunities but it sounds like you've dismissed them.

As an aside, have you tried meeting a Christian woman via online? I met my husband through ChristianCafe.com
One story the woman moved.....you want me to leave my job and go with her? The other story I saw the woman a year later and I thank GOD I did not connect with her. GOD was making clear to step away from these women. You cannot see that?
 

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They asked...when did we?
At any rate, this distracts from the real point I'm making and I hope you don't miss it...God saves us that He might reveal Himself to us and through us.
They chose to be ignorant. You're telling me they didn't know they should be helping those in need?
 

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One story the woman moved.....you want me to leave my job and go with her? The other story I saw the woman a year later and I thank GOD I did not connect with her. GOD was making clear to step away from these women. You cannot see that?
The one who moved away I understand. The other one...the one you said didn't work out because you worked weekends? That's the one I'm talking about. If you had been truly interested you would have done more to pursue. The fact that you felt relief a year later because she changed her hair style is a whole other issue. I'm just saying, thats why people have said it's "your fault"...you've gotten an answer, even if it isn't a pleasant one.

Were those your only 2 chances that you've experienced?
 

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They chose to be ignorant. You're telling me they didn't know they should be helping those in need?
I'm saying that doing good works became to them as natural as breathing that they didn't even consider it worthy of notice. Again, a part of life hid in Christ.
 

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The one who moved away I understand. The other one...the one you said didn't work out because you worked weekends? That's the one I'm talking about. If you had been truly interested you would have done more to pursue. The fact that you felt relief a year later because she changed her hair style is a whole other issue. I'm just saying, thats why people have said it's "your fault"...you've gotten an answer, even if it isn't a pleasant one.

Were those your only 2 chances that you've experienced?
I see GOD showing me later, if I had gotten what I wanted with her, it would not have worked. I was not seeing things clearly. Time took care of that.
 

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Lets try this AGAIN.....the hostess told me, "John, I don't know why I'm telling you this. You shouldn't be with her" She told me this away from my date. That was GOD's message to me......I told GOD I don't care, I choose her. Later she tells me GOD told her to move to Denver. You seem to have made up your mind, even before you read my post.
I have a question about angels procreating.....if angels cannot procreate why do the angels in Genesis 6 have sex organs?
 

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Lets try this AGAIN.....the hostess told me, "John, I don't know why I'm telling you this. You shouldn't be with her" She told me this away from my date. That was GOD's message to me......I told GOD I don't care, I choose her. Later she tells me GOD told her to move to Denver. You seem to have made up your mind, even before you read my post.
I have a question about angels procreating.....if angels cannot procreate why do the angels in Genesis 6 have sex organs?

I already addressed this (below)...the angels in Genesis 6 are fallen.
But you are ignoring this:





Your reference to fallen angels in Genesis 6 is outside the scope of Jesus' clarification on heavenly relationships.
It never says they were fallen angels.
They were sinful. Do you deny that?
 

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I already addressed this (below)...the angels in Genesis 6 are fallen.
But you are ignoring this:
Even if they are fallen angels they were able to procreate and they were attracted to WOMEN.
 

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I see GOD showing me later, if I had gotten what I wanted with her, it would not have worked. I was not seeing things clearly. Time took care of that.
So you're not bitter about that? Cause you kinda sounded like it. Or just frustrated that you haven't found a help meet, yet?
 

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what the fornication
 

Diakonos

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Even if they are fallen angels they were able to procreate and they were attracted to WOMEN.
Yes, which means your reference to fallen angels in Genesis 6 is outside the scope of Jesus' clarification on heavenly relationships, because sinful activity will not continue in heaven.

We will be like the angels in heaven, not the fallen angels.
 

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Yes, which means your reference to fallen angels in Genesis 6 is outside the scope of Jesus' clarification on heavenly relationships, because sinful activity will not continue in heaven.

We will be like the angels in heaven, not the fallen angels.
There is nothing in the bible that says angels cannot reproduce. They were able in Genesis 6, fallen or not.
 

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There is nothing in the bible that says angels cannot reproduce. They were able in Genesis 6, fallen or not.
Angels can reproduce with human women, and it is sinful.

God punished these angels who sexually sinned. Do you deny this?
 

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People still haven't figured out John B. . . . is the smartest guy in the room. You're wasting your breath.