Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

[just-me]

Why do you think it is that some professing Christians would do everything they can to keep this truth from being posted?

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all thejudgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
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Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. Exodus 15:13

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 12:6

And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. Exodus 26:34

Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations. Psalm 100:5

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
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Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God,the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deuteronomy 32:20

And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 1 Samuel 2:35

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the justshall live by hisfaith. Habakkuk 2:4

And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Mark 4:40

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22

And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luke 5:20

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Paul asks us to do the same

Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 1 Corinthians 4:16

All things in the law and prophets point to Christ. Christ didn't say to follow the law to be perfect, but to follow him.

 

[gb9]

Why do you think it is that some professing Christians would do everything they can to keep this truth from being posted?

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all thejudgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
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Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. Exodus 15:13

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 12:6

And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. Exodus 26:34

Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations. Psalm 100:5

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
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Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God,the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deuteronomy 32:20

And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 1 Samuel 2:35

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the justshall live by hisfaith. Habakkuk 2:4

And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Mark 4:40

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22

And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luke 5:20

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23[/QUOTE

o.k., I was quoting 1st Corinthians 13 3 in my earlier post, so if some of ya'll don't like it, take it up with Paul. just me, this is a lot of verses just plucked out. really should not do that. do not make the Bible say stuff it is not trying to say.

 

[gb9]

All things in the law and prophets point to Christ. Christ didn't say to follow the law to be perfect, but to follow him.

and this makes me think of: I am the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. now, see any law in there??

 

[just-me]

Why do you think it is that some professing Christians would do everything they can to keep this truth from being posted?

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all thejudgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
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Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. Exodus 15:13

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 12:6

And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. Exodus 26:34

Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations. Psalm 100:5

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
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Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God,the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deuteronomy 32:20

And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 1 Samuel 2:35

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the justshall live by hisfaith. Habakkuk 2:4

And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Mark 4:40

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22

And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luke 5:20

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23[/QUOTE

o.k., I was quoting 1st Corinthians 13 3 in my earlier post, so if some of ya'll don't like it, take it up with Paul. just me, this is a lot of verses just plucked out. really should not do that. do not make the Bible say stuff it is not trying to say.

It has everything to do with the OP. Any other scriptures you would like to add without fighting against these quoted words of God?

 

[just-us-2]

and this makes me think of: I am the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. now, see any law in there??

Yes, but you wouldn't understand it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

and this makes me think of: I am the way, the truth, the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. now, see any law in there??

Exactly. "I am the door to the sheepfold. Anyone who tries to enter another way (e.g. via works of law) is a thief and a robber."

 

[gb9]

I am not fighting against the quoted word of God. I AM fighting against the improper quoting of Scripture. one should not have a pre-conceived thought, then just pluck out verses to back up that thought. and that is what we have here. let me quote something to you I heard a pastor say: the Bible is a mirror to look at yourself when you read it. it IS NOT a window to look at everyone one else. think about that.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Paul worshiped by believing everything in the law and the prophets.

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14

The uproar started after Paul explained how the Lord met him on the road to Damascus and the Lord told him that he was to be sent far away to the Gentiles (Acts 22:1-21) . . 22) The crowd listened to Paul UNTIL he said this. Then they raised their voices and shouted, Rid the earth of him! He's not fit to live!" . . . The commander of the barracks wanted Paul flogged and interrogated in order to find out why the people were shouting at him like this, but Paul was a Roman citizen and had not been found guilty. (23:1) Paul was then sent to the Sanhedrin . . . (23:6) stood on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead . . . then another dispute broke out between the Sadducees and the Pharisees because the Sadducees believe there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits but the Pharisees believed all these things. . . .there was a great uproar . . . At the end of chapter 23 Paul was being kept guard in Herod's palace.

My accusers did not find me arguing with anyone at the temple, or stirring up a crowd in the synagogues or anywhere else in the city. And they cannot prove to you the charges they are now making against me. However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. . . .

Paul did not WORSHIP things written in the Law and the Prophets - he worshipped the same God as his fathers - BELIEVING all things written in the Law and the Prophets . . . It's plain in just reading that scripture - Why do you keep bringing it up? We all worship the same God as the "ancient fathers" and we all BELIEVE the things written in the Law and the Prophets. . . .

Endless, endless chatter . . . And how many times have you started this thread over? And why?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is only one way to obey these commandments and that is to accept them in your heart. These things are rejected eventually by those that have no faith in God's Complete Word. All of it, not just part of it. They refuse to see the validity in God's complete Word. This is the epitome of being "stiffnecked."

Jesus must have missed the memo.

He said the only way to obey the commands was to follow the first two. To love God, and any man woman or child you come in contact with (neighbor)

Sad you would rather follow some law. And not jesus.

 

[just-me]

Why do you think it is that the same professing Christians (all know who they are by now) would do everything they can to keep this truth presented in this thread from being posted?

It's obvious that this is a ploy, and happens over and over, because these people are posting things that are argumentative in order to stifle edification, the intent of the thread, and the truth of God's holy word. Do these people have the same agenda as the Pharisees who constantly stalked Jesus trying to bait Him into a trap? Jesus called them hypocrites. Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you actually endorsing that the Apostle Paul was a hypocrite? Wow!

How was he a hypocrite? Did he keep on teaching following laws? (actually he spoke against it) So you tell me.

Did he preach grace and forgiveness, or law living?

He taught the law was given ONLY to keep us in check until Christ came. so we had no excuse. (this it is still valid, and applicable until the last person alive who will ever be led by it to the messiah)

but once the one came, we no longer need a tutor.

So why do you want to reject pauls teaxhings and go back to the tutor. Which can NEVER make you righteous.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do you think it is that some professing Christians would do everything they can to keep this truth from being posted?

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all thejudgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
...........................................
Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. Exodus 15:13

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 12:6

And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. Exodus 26:34

Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations. Psalm 100:5

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
.................................................. ...........
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God,the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deuteronomy 32:20

And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 1 Samuel 2:35

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the justshall live by hisfaith. Habakkuk 2:4

And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Mark 4:40

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22

And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luke 5:20

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23

yep

Funny, Abraham knew this, Noah knew this, Adam and eve, and their children (except cain) knew this.

But for some reason. Just me needs what they never had.

Question just me, If you never had the law Are you saying you could never pass righteous judgment?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why do you think it is that some professing Christians would do everything they can to keep this truth presented in this thread from being posted?

It's obvious that this is a ploy, and happens over and over, because these people are posting things that are argumentative in order to stifle edification, the intent of the thread, and the truth of God's holy word. Do these people have the same agenda as the Pharisees who constantly stalked Jesus trying to bait Him into a trap? Jesus called them hypocrites. Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Sounds like a victim complex from someone whose words have no iron in them.

 

[just-us-2]

To those who do not believe every word that comes from God is for us today, and that some can be disregarded:

John 1:1 (NAS) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Since Jesus Christ was the Word, that would mean that disregarding any of the Words in the Bible are, in essence, is to remove some part of His body. Which parts will it be? An ear today, tomorrow an arm, later a leg?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It has everything to do with the OP. Any other scriptures you would like to add without fighting against these quoted words of God?

You misinterpreting those words as a means to try to force people to follow law. Is not helping your case. nor doing a thing to help anyone become a better Christian.

You want to follow law. You want to be a modern day pharisee. Have at it, No one can stop you.

But you think we are going to stand around while you preach your self righteous living, you have another thing coming.

 

[ember]

It's funny when I consider hypocrisy and how the world considers Christians hypocrites. Such a label can only be true if we are to live by a standard. A lot of people go out and condemn sinners, accusing them of all manner of sin and yelling at them to repent or else. They, at times, make a print out of the ten commandments and ask people which of them have they broken. We, funny enough, can't even boast that we do not sin. For us to uphold the Law and show people they fall short, we too must admit our failure.

People want to uphold the "moral law" of God that predates even the old covenant. However, as soon as we start making a list of do's and don'ts and say we are to follow this morality we then become hypocrites to the standard we can't keep. The world sees Christianity not in grace but rules and regulations. That is a problem. That is a failure of the body of Christ that the world doesn't see grace and love, but law and a whip. Its sad really, and that's why so many people oppose Legalism. Also why when there is even a hint of it in a post people will call it out. They don't want people to be in bondage when Jesus has set us free.

When I think of Christianity from the perspective of grace and not law, I realize that hypocrisy cannot even exist. The do's and don'ts aren't even there, but the ought's are. Such things as, "it is our reasonable duty." Not so much a command but a response to His great love. I realize there are commands in the NT but such obedience is not born of tyranny but loyalty and love. Not of fear but care, it comes from the heart.

PS: The three things Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees were justice, mercy and faithfulness (Matthew 23:23).

somebody give Ben a rep...I can't till I 'spread it around'

what a great post...and I don't say that lightly!

 

[just-me]

I am not fighting against the quoted word of God. I AM fighting against the improper quoting of Scripture. one should not have a pre-conceived thought, then just pluck out verses to back up that thought. and that is what we have here. let me quote something to you I heard a pastor say: the Bible is a mirror to look at yourself when you read it. it IS NOT a window to look at everyone one else. think about that.

So you believe a person can quote scripture incorrectly? Not really, but they can improperly interpret scripture according to their own false doctrine. Satan does that all the time. Jesus quoted the law to him and resisted by that truth quoted. Satan quoted partial truth and Jesus quoted total truth.

I quoted scripture without adding to it according to my own interpretations. You have a problem with that?

 

[just-us-2]

You misinterpreting those words as a means to try to force people to follow law. Is not helping your case. nor doing a thing to help anyone become a better Christian.

You want to follow law. You want to be a modern day pharisee. Have at it, No one can stop you.

But you think we are going to stand around while you preach your self righteous living, you have another thing coming.

You are the one choosing to be a Pharisee because you are the one who disregards part of scripture as no longer necessary.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do you think it is that the same professing Christians (all know who they are by now) would do everything they can to keep this truth presented in this thread from being posted?

WHAT TRUTH? THAT WE ARE TO RETURN TO LAW. AND REJECT GRACE??

THATS NOT TRUTH! THATS HERESY!

It's obvious that this is a ploy, and happens over and over, because these people are posting things that are argumentative in order to stifle edification,

the intent of the thread, and the truth of God's holy word. Do these people have the same agenda as the Pharisees who constantly stalked Jesus trying to bait Him into a trap? Jesus called them hypocrites. Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

No the ploy is your insistance to post OP AFTER OP AFTER OP OF HOW WE ARE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO YOUR PERVERTED WATERED DOWN VERSION OF MOSAIC LAW.