Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

[just-me]

I know that the instructions given to us to exact (demonstrate) the love of God toward Him and others are given in the law as well as the New Testament. As we take to heart, studying both together, because of variations that point to the same identical outcome, I have received a more definitive understanding of God's love that is incorporated into our hearts by His word that works in coordination with His Spirit.

In times past, I have had a difficult time putting Jesus and God the Father together knowing they are of One mind, but that truth didn't really take hold until just a few years ago. I think that difficulty was enhanced by what I was taught during my childhood in Sunday school. God was so harsh, and Jesus was so kind.

I'm positive that God's judgment, His mercy, and his faith that Jesus told the Pharisees they were missing (not having the New Testament writings) also work in this coordinated scenario. So where are they found? It might be beneficial to quote some laws (there are more than one) concerning love along with judgment, mercy, and faith as Jesus taught. It appears that these 3 things Jesus mentioned to the Pharisees are a substantial part of what “hangs” on the law of love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know that the instructions given to us to exact (demonstrate) the love of God toward Him and others are given in the law as well as the New Testament. As we take to heart, studying both together, because of variations that point to the same identical outcome, I have received a more definitive understanding of God's love that is incorporated into our hearts by His word that works in coordination with His Spirit.

In times past, I have had a difficult time putting Jesus and God the Father together knowing they are of One mind, but that truth didn't really take hold until just a few years ago. I think that difficulty was enhanced by what I was taught during my childhood in Sunday school. God was so harsh, and Jesus was so kind.

I'm positive that God's judgment, His mercy, and his faith that Jesus told the Pharisees they were missing (not having the New Testament writings) also work in this coordinated scenario. So where are they found? It might be beneficial to quote some laws (there are more than one) concerning love along with judgment, mercy, and faith as Jesus taught. It appears that these 3 things Jesus mentioned to the Pharisees are a substantial part of what “hangs” on the law of love.

And again I wil ask you.

How did Abraham and Noah understand mercy, judgment and faith. They had no law. so what gave them such insite to Gods mercy and grace?

I am sorry your church gave you the father vs son form of teaching, They are one, and they are perfect judges as well as perfect lovers. (Jesus will prove this when he returns to earth)

 

[just-me]

And again I wil ask you.

How did Abraham and Noah understand mercy, judgment and faith. They had no law. so what gave them such insite to Gods mercy and grace?

I am sorry your church gave you the father vs son form of teaching, They are one, and they are perfect judges as well as perfect lovers. (Jesus will prove this when he returns to earth)

I didn't start this thread to define the patriarchs listed in Hebrews 11. As the OP states, there are 3 weighter things of the law that we should endeavor to identify. Jesus didn't say that they were the weighter things of the patriarchs belief even though we all know they were in the attributes that they outwardly manifested. Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean according to God's will.

Obviously God needed to reiterate after 430 years in Egypt. So your question has nothing to do with the thread's purpose. The purpose is identifying the righteousness of God, that Jesus said were written in the law in difference to the self righteousness of the Pharisees who omitted these 3 things from the law, despite the Pharisees outwardly esteeming of Abraham.

I first asked the questions that I desired to be answered in the OP. Please respect that and try not to derail the intent of the thread title any further.

 

[JaumeJ]

I am well aware of the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I am not aware of what you have in mind as the right answer. You are not very sincere in your approach in relating what you want. How many times will you pump me for the words you want to hear. everyone knos Jesus Christ could do noting without doing as the Father willed. Now, there are many ways and words for the Word to answer your question, but you seem to have just one answer inmind. I am not a mind reader, but I am a follower of Jesus Christ.

Now I ask you. I confess teh Blood of Jesus Christ as my salvation. Will you please make the same confession here for all to know where you stand, because I do not find any love in your approach, just arrogance to your brother in Chris, and your elder.

The next time you wish to teach and correct and harass an elder, first send a private message, and do not carry on a pantomime of caring on line in the forum and in public. It is against the teachings of the Word. Of course, you already know this, and those like you do too.

Because they answer, when seen and accepted as our example, can set you free. What was Jesus explanation for the way He lived?

 

[just-me]

From the OP I quote

Please do your best not to derail or cause conflict. I present this strictly for edification sake.
Let us converse in a respectful and peaceful manner as our Almighty God, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would have us to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't start this thread to define the patriarchs listed in Hebrews 11. As the OP states, there are 3 weighter things of the law that we should endeavor to identify.

If we should endevour to identlify, then why did God not give them the law also.

Your whole argument is based on it is needed, How can it be needed if they did not have it. Are they lower people who did not have all God needed them to have?

Jesus didn't say that they were the weighter things of the patriarchs belief even though we all know they were in the attributes that they outwardly manifested. Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean according to God's will.

No he did not. He told arrogant people who believed they obeyed the law thus did not need Christ that they were in error. Because they watered down the law. and removed the things which took alot more work out..

His point was not that they need to do them also. His point is that they were self righteous biggots who needed jesus just as much as the sinners they condemned did.

Sadly it sounds alot like people in here.

Obviously God needed to reiterate after 430 years in Egypt. So your question has nothing to do with the thread's purpose. The purpose is identifying the righteousness of God, that Jesus said were written in the law in difference to the self righteousness of the Pharisees who omitted these 3 things from the law, despite the Pharisees outwardly esteeming of Abraham.

Sadly, You missed Jesus point altogether.

I first asked the questions that I desired to be answered in the OP. Please respect that and try not to derail the intent of the thread title any further.

Yeah I know. Another Law thread.

And you wonder why people get so angry.

 

[JaumeJ]

I am afraid truth and reason will not prevail with any who will not read the post before answering it. As is written a fool answers a question before it is asked.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From the OP I quote

lol.. So we are not allowed to ask questions?

 

[FreeNChrist]

I am well aware of the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I am not aware of what you have in mind as the right answer. You are not very sincere in your approach in relating what you want. How many times will you pump me for the words you want to hear. everyone knos Jesus Christ could do noting without doing as the Father willed. Now, there are many ways and words for the Word to answer your question, but you seem to have just one answer inmind. I am not a mind reader, but I am a follower of Jesus Christ.

Now I ask you. I confess teh Blood of Jesus Christ as my salvation. Will you please make the same confession here for all to know where you stand, because I do not find any love in your approach, just arrogance to your brother in Chris, and your elder.

The next time you wish to teach and correct and harass an elder, first send a private message, and do not carry on a pantomime of caring on line in the forum and in public. It is against the teachings of the Word. Of course, you already know this, and those like you do too.

Okie dokie then. It's your loss.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am afraid truth and reason will not prevail with any who will not read the post before answering it. As is written a fool answers a question before it is asked.

truth and reason will not prevail when someone is so heard hearted they can not see truth when it is flashed right in front of their face.

If Jesus was telling the people that the pharisee was ok in what he did, But he needed to work harder, and also do these other "weighter" parts of the law, and they would be ok, it would be a well read, and well worthy thread to discuss.

But he did not say this, That was not his point. so the whole purpose of the thread is hogwash, because it is based on a false pretense, and is just another thread to try to push law..

 

[JaumeJ]

You were asked to confess the Blood of the Lamb of God. Jesus Christ's Blood cleanses me and frees me from sin, for He is God....... Now answer me are you a brother in the Blood of Christ, please make the good confession, I pray.


If you can ask me over and over to read your mind, I believe I am entitled to ask you these two times. Where is your courtesy?

Okie dokie then. It's your loss.

 

[just-me]

If we should endevour to identlify, then why did God not give them the law also.

Your whole argument is based on it is needed, How can it be needed if they did not have it. Are they lower people who did not have all God needed them to have?


No he did not. He told arrogant people who believed they obeyed the law thus did not need Christ that they were in error. Because they watered down the law. and removed the things which took alot more work out..

His point was not that they need to do them also. His point is that they were self righteous biggots who needed jesus just as much as the sinners they condemned did.

Sadly it sounds alot like people in here.


Sadly, You missed Jesus point altogether.

Yeah I know. Another Law thread.

And you wonder why people get so angry.

So it's another law thread. Should we not take note of Jesus" words to the hypocrites seriously so we don't fall into the same hypocritical trap as they by omission? Rhetorically speaking.

Let's start over an concentrate on the OP. Here is the verse Ben referred to. Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

[JaumeJ]

There are a couple of people in here who are acting like the Sanhedrin in every manner, and in the same wicked spirit.

Talk about falling into their own trap. Of course they will never understand since they did not in the first lace. Know that I have ben praying for the one for some time, but now I need to add the other.

I wonder if they have constructed any crosses yet? They seem to be heading in that direction.

So it's another law thread. Should we not take note of Jesus" words to the hypocrites seriously so we don't fall into the same hypocritical trap as they by omission? Rhetorically speaking.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So it's another law thread. Should we not take note of Jesus" words to the hypocrites so we don't fall into the same hypocritical trap as they by omission? Rhetorically speaking.

Yes we should take note of jesus words, INCLUDING the context of WHY he said them.

Those of us who say they are ok because they are good people have not yet come to the aving grace of God.

But I do not need the law to do this, Everyone knows they are a sinner, And I doubt I will come to a pharisee jew that I will need to show him what aspects of the law he is not following. But if I do. and I more than aware enough of the law to show him where he is lackng (of course all I need to do is prove to him he is not loving as God loved, thus he has broken the first command, and is not worthy, so he better get the animal sacrifices out, or start searching for the messiah God said would remove his sin, and hope fuly he would be led to Christ (which according to most jews in my church, and there are many, this is what broght them to Christ in the first place)

 

[FreeNChrist]

You were asked to confess the Blood of the Lamb of God. Jesus Christ's Blood cleanses me and frees me from sin, for He is God....... Now answer me are you a brother in the Blood of Christ, please make the good confession, I pray.

If you can ask me over and over to read your mind, I believe I am entitled to ask you these two times. Where is your courtesy?

And you were asked to answer one simple question and instead choose to throw up smoke screen after smoke screen in an effort to not have to deal with the truth. I have no time for such disingenuous nonsense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are a couple of people in here who are acting like the Sanhedrin in every manner, and in the same wicked spirit.

Talk about falling into their own trap. Of course they will never understand since they did not in the first lace. Know that I have ben praying for the one for some time, but now I need to add the other.

I wonder if they have constructed any crosses yet? They seem to be heading in that direction.

lol.. So we believe we are righteous by the blood of Christ, and obediene by sharing the love he gave us, and we need the cross?

It is not us who needs the cross my friend.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And you were asked to answer one simple question and instead choose to throw up smoke screen after smoke screen in an effort to not have to deal with the truth. I have no time for such disingenuous nonsense.

they can't answer simple questions, It would expose them.

 

[just-me]

There are a couple of people in here who are acting like the Sanhedrin in every manner, and in the same wicked spirit.

Talk about falling into their own trap. Of course they will never understand since they did not in the first lace. Know that I have ben praying for the one for some time, but now I need to add the other.

Sometimes the simplest things are overlooked…just because they are so simple. The ‘works’ that do not justify us, are those little ritualistic things the Pharisees added and subtracted to and from the original that made them look so righteous and pious to the public.

Since that was the only reason those works were done, the Pharisees were failures. The “Babylonian talmud” originated with a works doctrine minus faith, not being even close to the spiritual principles of original law of God for it's all regulatory, replacing God's original law with man's hypocritical regulations.

The things we do should be grounded in faith, those judgments we make should be grounded in love, and the mercy we show should be grounded in both faith and love originally revealed in the original law that Jesus said are there and hypocrites omit.
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“Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.” 1 Timothy 1:5-7

Where do we find these persuasions that the Pharisees purposefully omitted from their own self righteous doctrine, revealed in the original law of God, so we will know within our own heart that we are exceeding the righteousness of the Pharisees? According to Jesus, judgment, mercy, and faith are revealed in the law of God. But where?

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“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:20

 

[gb9]

lol.. So we believe we are righteous by the blood of Christ, and obediene by sharing the love he gave us, and we need the cross?

It is not us who needs the cross my friend.

and thus is the answer to the o.p.'s question: the Pharisees did not recognize Christ as the Messiah, and thought they could be " good enough" to earn God's favor on their own. John 9 whole chapter is a great example of this. a glorious miracle had taken place, and all they were concerned with was how did it fit within the frame of the law. so sad.

 

[just-me]

and thus is the answer to the o.p.'s question: the Pharisees did not recognize Christ as the Messiah, and thought they could be " good enough" to earn God's favor on their own. John 9 whole chapter is a great example of this. a glorious miracle had taken place, and all they were concerned with was how did it fit within the frame of the law. so sad.

What did they miss in the law that was right in front of them. Why? They certainly should have known before Jesus had to call them hypocrites because of their purposeful rejecting of those 3 things mentioned in Matthew 23:23.