Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Let's start over. OP as follows.
This is a type of quiz just for the sake of "investigation edification."
We all know love is the fulfilling of the law of God.

There are three other things in God's law, in addition to the love commandments, that Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees that they missed due to their self righteous smug attitude. Because of missing those things, this was one thing of several that Jesus called them out on, identifying them as hypocrites. (pretenders)

What are those 3 things that Jesus defined (scripture quoting Jesus), and where can we find them in the Old Covenant law that God gave to Israel via Moses?

Spiritual understanding is necessary, and there is more than one way to approach the true answer on this matter.

Please do your best not to derail or cause conflict. I present this strictly for edification sake.
Let us converse in a respectful and peaceful manner as our Almighty God, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ would have us to do.


May God bless us with further understanding of each other, and of God's holy word, as His truth impacts us to the very core of our heart, soul, and mind.
 
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Anyone one who can not keep the laws of God are not born of the Spirit, No one can keep the laws of God perfectly or at all times, ; But it is a general statements that the Bible makes of Born again ,children of God : they love and keep God's laws. hoffco
Thanks be to GOD that we are able in Christ to keep the two greatest commandments, which fulfill the righteousness required by all 10 commandments (as well as the rest of the law).
 
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[SUP]30 [/SUP]Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law(Romans 3:30-31).

As far as the law goes,we establish the law,which are the moral laws,and laws of love.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin(Romans 7:12;14).

The law is spiritual,not physical,and since it is spiritual it must be obeyed.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh(Galatians 5:16).

A Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,and will live up to the law,which love is the fulfilling of the law.The 10 commandments are laws of love.



[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law(Galatians 5:19-23).

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law(Galatians 5:18).

If you are led of the Spirit you are not under the law,because a Spirit led life will fulfill God's law of love,and obey all the moral laws of God,therefore the law cannot touch you for prosecution.

I do not understand what people mean when they say we do not follow the law,when we have to establish the law,which we can do by the Spirit.That is the purpose of having the Spirit so we can live according to God's moral laws,which include the 10 commandments,but we do not go by the physical ordinances of Israel.
 
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Jaume has me on ignore...that is his version of mercy under the law.:)
What I find interesting, tragic and hilarious at the same time are the few who push the law, works and self for salvation...they are the ones who usually put people on ignore....as much as I cannot stand about three or four of the workers for salvation on this site and their heretical stance, how much they twist what I say and or ignore and reject the truth, verb tense etc...I will not place them on ignore regardless of their idiocy....and or hypocrisy!<====MERCY!
 
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Thanks be to GOD that we are able in Christ to keep the two greatest commandments, which fulfill the righteousness required by all 10 commandments (as well as the rest of the law).
Do you love all unconditionally, without bias and equally? If you don't then you do not keep the law!
 
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It seems to me that the scribes and Pharisees were content with doing the easy parts of the law such as tithing but when it came to the weightier (barys) - the more burdensome, severe, stern matters of the law - they were ignoring. They should have been doing them all - the whole law - these judgment, mercy, and faith should have been done along side the tithing . . leaving nothing undone.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10 . . . Therefore even their tithing was wrong.
 
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What I find interesting, tragic and hilarious at the same time are the few who push the law, works and self for salvation...they are the ones who usually put people on ignore....as much as I cannot stand about three or four of the workers for salvation on this site and their heretical stance, how much they twist what I say and or ignore and reject the truth, verb tense etc...I will not place them on ignore regardless of their idiocy....and or hypocrisy!<====MERCY!
They don't want to hear what condemns them.

At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, Acts 7:57
 

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“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Even though I have BenFTW and eternally-gratefull on my ignore list, I took the opportunity to open their posts to see if they had defined my original question. So far, Ben was the only one that mentioned the scripture that quotes Jesus' definition of what makes them a hypocrite by excluding something from the law either intentionally or forgetfully. It seems the Pharisees were so busy justifying themselves by the law, that they totally forsook the more vital parts thereof.

I think all the comments posted explained each individuals understanding quite well, but none gave wdefinition as to where we are able to find judgment, mercy, and faith in the original commandments, found in the OT law, that those hypocrites had access to as we do we all.

These are the quotes, that I thought came close to the subject of the OP, making good explanations IMO of the posters beliefs, even though the questions in OP haven't been addressed, but only in part by Ben having Jesus' quote to the Pharisees right.




Being somewhat redundant from the OP, the Pharisees were so busy justifying themselves that they had forsaken (omitted) judgment, mercy, and faith which Jesus defined as a vital part to them and the community. In particular, the Pharisees were responsible for these weightier things of the law of God because they were the religious leaders of the community. So I will quote a little of the OP to steer it back on track.


The way God sees us should have more impact on us than the way others see us. The Pharisees should have been the conduit of distributing God's judgment, His mercy, and His faithfulness to the public. Because they were more concerned about how the public saw them, instead of how God saw them, they became the epitome of pretenders (hypocrites).
I'm not reading the whole thread. But I will say, since I saw the OP say the big bolded portion above on two occasions, it needs to be addressed.

It is bad hermeneutics(Bible interpretation) to interpret the New Testament through the eyes of the Old Testament.

The New Testament writers and apostles set the standard, by interpreting everything through the eyes of the New Covenant, grace, and Christ died and risen.

The Old Testament writers were given knowledge, specific to their time. They were given laws to follow, because the truth and grace of Jesus Christ was not yet known.

That is the whole problem with everything you write, Just-Me. You have forgotten the basic structure in that the New Covenant supercedes the Old Covenants (plural, as there were quite a few covenants made between God and man!)
 

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This is a type of quiz just for the sake of "investigation edification."
We all know love is the fulfilling of the law of God.

There are three other things in God's law, in addition to the love commandments,


I don't think they missed it. Have you ever read what the Pharisees themselves said?
 

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One of the things a legalist does not recognize is that he is under a curse, while the one who walks by faith is blessed.

9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”NASB

9 So all who ·believe as Abraham believed [rely on faith; have faith; Lare of faith] are blessed ·just as Abraham was [Lwith faithful Abraham; or with Abraham, the man of faith]. 10 ·But [LFor] those who depend on ·following [Lthe works of] the law to make them right are under a curse, because the Scriptures say, “·Anyone [All; Everyone] will be cursed who does not ·always obey what [keep doing everything that] is written in the Book of the Law [Deut. 27:26].” EXPB
 

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I pray the Blood of Christ be between you and your enemies until you are able to confess His Blood saves you, amen.
He just doesn't wish to entertain your question but he is a believer in Jesus Christ and fully believes Jesus Christ's blood cleanses him from all sin. More so than others it seems... at times.
 

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I am sorry, but are you following all of the thread? I did not read your saying "he just does not want to answer your question" when this person was badgering me for whatever he fancied to have in his mind, though I answered it several times, all with valid answers based on the Word............ Thank you for being there, but I ask my self, why?

Now please stay on the thread.....I do not wish to stray any farther...............forgive me Just-Me..........
 
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13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

John 8:44-49
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

 
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I am sorry, but are you following all of the thread? I did not read your saying "he just does not want to answer your question" when this person was badgering me for whatever he fancied to have in his mind, though I answered it several times, all with valid answers based on the Word............ Thank you for being there, but I ask my self, why?

Now please stay on the thread.....I do not wish to stray any farther...............forgive me Just-Me..........
I understand completely.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 1:3
 
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Why do you think it is that some professing Christians would do everything they can to keep this truth from being posted?

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
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Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. Exodus 15:13

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 12:6

And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. Exodus 26:34

Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations. Psalm 100:5

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
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Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deuteronomy 32:20

And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 1 Samuel 2:35

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4

And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Mark 4:40

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22

And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luke 5:20

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23

 
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Jesus also directed their attention to the good Samaritan...
who kept the Spirit of the law, while they did not.
good samaritan obeyed the law of love. I doubt the law of moses was even on his mind. Thats why love does what law can't.
 
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Anyone one who can not keep the laws of God are not born of the Spirit, No one can keep the laws of God perfectly or at all times, ; But it is a general statements that the Bible makes of Born again ,children of God : they love and keep God's laws. hoffco
ok you just contradicted yourself.

Anyone who can not keep the law of God is not born of God

No one can be perfect (ie, no one can keep the law of God)