To comfort those who speak in tongues

[ladylynn]

Before being baptised in the name of Jesus, these disciples were only baptised in the name of John -- these disciples and new believers did not become filled with the Holy Spirit until being baptised in the name of Jesus Christ. The blood of Christ is the key to receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

?? and??? I agree. Not sure what your point is? I was saved in 1982 and did not receive the baptism of the HolySpirit till this year. I was saved and had the HolySpirit and was sealed until the day of redemption before but did not know about the baptism of the HolySpirit. I did not seek after nor want to have any thing to do with the gifts of tongues.

 

[KennethC]

Before being baptised in the name of Jesus, these disciples were only baptised in the name of John -- these disciples and new believers did not become filled with the Holy Spirit until being baptised in the name of Jesus Christ. Christ is the key to receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Well not quite in that order because being baptized (baptizo/immersed in water) in Jesus name is how one is made a disciple of Christ. This is what Matthew 28:19-20 is saying, which is why Peter says in Acts 2:38 repent (1st) be baptized in the name of the Lord (2nd) and then you will receive the Holy Spirit.

KEY: Acts 10-15 are not be used to change the order of Acts 2:38

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Which part are you referring to because it says in Acts 8:12 after Apostle Philip preaching the kingdom of heaven to them they believed and got baptized.

Thanks for the correction, Kenneth. You're right on the Acts 8 story, for those new believers were baptised in the name of Jesus prior to Peter and John's arrival.

This gets a bit out of my realm of knowledge because it is dealing with the early Church practices of the apostolate (I am not a scholar). The main idea is that in this early Church, the Apostles were to be the governing power of the early Church -- this gets into the rite of "confirmation" (Acts 19:5, Hebrews 6:2).

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

?? and??? I agree. Not sure what your point is? I was saved in 1982 and did not receive the baptism of the HolySpirit till this year. I was saved and had the HolySpirit and was sealed until the day of redemption before but did not know about the baptism of the HolySpirit. I did not seek after nor want to have any thing to do with the gifts of tongues.

I'm not trying to make any points -- only trying to discern.

I do not understand what you mean by stating that you had the Holy Spirit, yet you didn't receive the Holy Spirit until this year.

 

[ladylynn]

I'm not trying to make any points -- only trying to discern.

I do not understand what you mean by stating that you had the Holy Spirit, yet you didn't receive the Holy Spirit until this year.

There are few things more controversial in the body of Christ than the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gifts.Much of modern-day Christianity sees the born-again experience as all there is to salvation. Many Christians oppose the belief that there is a separate experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit, and they especially oppose the validity of the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today’s believers.

 

[KennethC]

Thanks for the correction, Kenneth. You're right on the Acts 8 story, for those new believers were baptised in the name of Jesus prior to Peter and John's arrival.

This gets a bit out of my realm of knowledge because it is dealing with the early Church practices of the apostolate (I am not a scholar). The main idea is that in this early Church, the Apostles were to be the governing power of the early Church -- this gets into the rite of "confirmation" (Acts 19:5, Hebrews 6:2).

I did some good background study on baptism from the OT standard to the NT standard because I kept hearing so often that people don't have to be baptized, and then also the other thing they try to do is make the baptism in Christ's name be the Holy Spirit baptism when actually the one leads to the other.

In the OT both water and blood were used in sanctification, and again we see that carry over with John the Baptist and Jesus baptism and then Jesus commanding baptism to continue in His name (Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:16).

Continued as a command by the Apostles in Acts.................

We also must look at things in the spiritual sense, and when looking at Jesus on the cross what came out of His side:

John 19:34
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Is it possible, that baptism of the Holy Spirit (as a secondary experience to salvation) may occur more than once in a person's lifetime? For example, someone who was once filled with the Holy Spirit begins to turn their back to God and later returns.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Is it possible, that baptism of the Holy Spirit (as a secondary experience to salvation) may occur more than once in a person's lifetime? For example, someone who was once filled with the Holy Spirit begins to turn their back to God and later returns.

Like "plugging back in" ...

 

[ladylynn]

Is it possible, that baptism of the Holy Spirit (as a secondary experience to salvation) may occur more than once in a person's lifetime? For example, someone who was once filled with the Holy Spirit begins to turn their back to God and later returns.

Not about salvation PW, I was saved and sealed by the HolySpirit in 1982 and if I died, would have gone to heaven because I accepted Jesus as Savior.

 

[KennethC]

Is it possible, that baptism of the Holy Spirit (as a secondary experience to salvation) may occur more than once in a person's lifetime? For example, someone who was once filled with the Holy Spirit begins to turn their back to God and later returns.

Who do you think is the one that drew them to return to the Lord ???

The Holy Spirit once received never leaves, we can grieve Him by our choices and choose not to follow His guidance, but He will always be around to pull you back in the arms of the Lord.

This is why God said I will never leave you nor forsake you, because He sent His helper to guide us to stay in the faith.

Hebrews 6:4-6 shows that some will not heed to that guidance and still fall away, and those who do this is impossible to get them to come back and repent. They would rather stay in their ways of darkness then stay in the light.

 

[KennethC]

Not about salvation PW, I was saved and sealed by the HolySpirit in 1982 and if I died, would have gone to heaven because I accepted Jesus as Savior.

Biblical proof please for this below????

Separating the baptism of the Holy Spirit from the filling of the Holy Spirit !!!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Biblical proof please for this below????

Separating the baptism of the Holy Spirit from the filling of the Holy Spirit !!!

This is the part I'm not understanding -- the separation, some people see (or understand).

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

This is the part I'm not understanding -- the separation, some people see (or understand).

I tried to imagine it like a renewal or revival; kinda like the Holy Spirit is in you -- but you're not putting God first in your life, and so the gifts of the Spirit are remaining dormant. Until you turn your eyes back on Jesus -- and ask to be renewed.

 

[KennethC]

This is the part I'm not understanding -- the separation, some people see (or understand).

I tried to imagine it like a renewal or revival; kinda like the Holy Spirit is in you -- but you're not putting God first in your life, and so the gifts of the Spirit are remaining dormant. Until you turn your eyes back on Jesus -- and ask to be renewed.

That is not what I am understanding either because I have seen in studies no biblical support for that............

When you repent of your sins, get baptize in Christ (which is water immersion), then you receive the Holy Spirit (baptism given from the Lord).

From here you add His fruits and gifts to your life as you walk in the faith, but there is not a separate receiving of the Holy Spirit from the baptism.

 

[ember]

Maybe I can help?

there was a time in my life I backslid quite badly....the Holy Spirit never left me...but I sure did know He was grieved!!

it grew to a point where I could actually 'feel' the prayers of those who were concerned for me and I could no longer deny my precarious position

I have since been tempted in the same way to sin and I ran like Joseph!

I will add that once you open certain doors, you are never quite the same again but God can and does use all for His glory

 

[KennethC]

Maybe I can help?

there was a time in my life I backslid quite badly....the Holy Spirit never left me...but I sure did know He was grieved!!

it grew to a point where I could actually 'feel' the prayers of those who were concerned for me and I could no longer deny my precarious position

I have since been tempted in the same way to sin and I ran like Joseph!

I will add that once you open certain doors, you are never quite the same again but God can and does use all for His glory

Thanks for your testimony and that is pretty much what I was saying.

There is only one receiving of the Holy Spirit and not multiple, if you say your were sealed by the Holy Spirit then you had to have been baptized by Him. You can not be sealed without the receiving for that is how we are sealed is when we receive Him.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Thank you both. How then do we delicately handle testimonies such as Lynns?

?? and??? I agree. Not sure what your point is? I was saved in 1982 and did not receive the baptism of the HolySpirit till this year. I was saved and had the HolySpirit and was sealed until the day of redemption before but did not know about the baptism of the HolySpirit. I did not seek after nor want to have any thing to do with the gifts of tongues.

 

[ladylynn]

John’s baptism was a baptism with water unto repentance for the remission of sins (see note 4 at Matthew 3:11). John preached that the Lamb of God had come to take away the sin of the world (John 1:29), but he didn’t administer the baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, both John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, and Luke 3:16) and Jesus (John 7:38-39) prophesied the church age when believers would be baptized with the Holy Ghost.Therefore, these disciples were men who had been born again through hearing the good news about the Messiah having come to bear mankind’s sins, but they had not been baptized with the Holy Spirit. It amazed Paul that they had become disciples without hearing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This shows that Paul included teaching on receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit as a part of the Gospel that he shared.These disciples were most likely converts of Apollos (see note 1 at Acts 18:24). Apollos did not have the revelation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit (see note 5 at Acts 2:4) until Aquila and Priscilla (see note 2 at Acts 18:2) explained it to him in Ephesus.

 

[ladylynn]

John’s baptism was a baptism with water unto repentance for the remission of sins (see note 4 at Matthew 3:11). John preached that the Lamb of God had come to take away the sin of the world (John 1:29), but he didn’t administer the baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, both John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, and Luke 3:16) and Jesus (John 7:38-39) prophesied the church age when believers would be baptized with the Holy Ghost.Therefore, these disciples were men who had been born again through hearing the good news about the Messiah having come to bear mankind’s sins, but they had not been baptized with the Holy Spirit. It amazed Paul that they had become disciples without hearing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This shows that Paul included teaching on receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit as a part of the Gospel that he shared.These disciples were most likely converts of Apollos (see note 1 at Acts 18:24). Apollos did not have the revelation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit (see note 5 at Acts 2:4) until Aquila and Priscilla (see note 2 at Acts 18:2) explained it to him in Ephesus.

These twelve men (Acts 19:7) were born again (see note 2 at John 3:3 and note 5 at John 3:7). Otherwise, they would not have been called disciples (see note 8 at John 8:31). It was certain that they were not the Pharisees’ or anyone else’s disciples except the disciples of Jesus, or else Paul would not have asked them if they had received the Holy Ghost since they had believed. He would have known that people cannot receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost until they have first believed on Jesus (see note 27 at John 14:17).Therefore, these men had believed (Acts 19:2) in Jesus, but they were not operating in the power of the Spirit that came through the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts 19:2, see note 1 at Acts 18:24). This shows that Christians can be born again without having the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate experience from being born again (see note 6 at Acts 2:4).They heard about the Spirit baptism, believed, were re-baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 19:5), and then immediately received the baptism of the Holy Ghost with gifts of the Holy Spirit evident (Acts 19:6). This proves that there does not have to be a waiting period or tarrying for the Holy Ghost (see note 4 at Luke 24:49).

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

John’s baptism was a baptism with water unto repentance for the remission of sins (see note 4 at Matthew 3:11). John preached that the Lamb of God had come to take away the sin of the world (John 1:29), but he didn’t administer the baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, both John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, and Luke 3:16) and Jesus (John 7:38-39) prophesied the church age when believers would be baptized with the Holy Ghost.Therefore, these disciples were men who had been born again through hearing the good news about the Messiah having come to bear mankind’s sins, but they had not been baptized with the Holy Spirit. It amazed Paul that they had become disciples without hearing about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This shows that Paul included teaching on receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit as a part of the Gospel that he shared.These disciples were most likely converts of Apollos (see note 1 at Acts 18:24). Apollos did not have the revelation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit (see note 5 at Acts 2:4) until Aquila and Priscilla (see note 2 at Acts 18:2) explained it to him in Ephesus.

Just providing the source, for reference.
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