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The way you are writing, it appears that you have a problem with reading comprehension and I say this respectfully. Just one question, do you bow down to other images? If you don't you are obedient to the law of God, you are walking a righteous walk and I did not say that it makes you God's righteousness, we are made God's righteousness in Yeshua and us being obedient to the law of God just state that we are obedient because the righteousness of Yeshua is in us, we are made God's righteousness in Yeshua.
Before you respond read carefully otherwise don't respond.
The way you are writing, it appears that you have a problem with reading comprehension and I say this respectfully. Just one question, do you bow down to other images? If you don't you are obedient to the law of God, you are walking a righteous walk and I did not say that it makes you God's righteousness, we are made God's righteousness in Yeshua and us being obedient to the law of God just state that we are obedient because the righteousness of Yeshua is in us, we are made God's righteousness in Yeshua.
Before you respond read carefully otherwise don't respond.
You said that you are under the law of Yeshua, didn't you, so why you are quoting Deuteronomy 19? In Mark 12:30-31, Yeshua confirms the two commandments and there is no other greater than the two he mentions, why? Because back to the teacher of the law and Yeshua, the teacher of the law understood that KEEPING these to commandments will fulfill the law righteousness of the law, but we must walk after the Spirit because it is the Spirit of God that makes this happen. So, how can you say is the law of Yeshua you live it when it is the same law that God spoke of?
In Deuteronomy 19, he is talking to Israel and it is concerning land, we are talking about what commandments fulfills the law and as you can see from Mark 12:30-31 there is none greater than those two because with those to you can divide the Ten Commandments into two parts, loving the Lord God will pertain to the first part and loving thy neighbor as thyself pertains to the second part.
I am not here to change your view, I am here to put it on the table and it is the Spirit of God who will enlighten one eyes to see what God made clear when he first spoke. I am writing so that one in elementary can understand because it is the way we need to go to scriptures to understand what God made clear when he first spoke, we come to him as children. If you cannot see it the way I am presenting it according to the Scriptures, it is telling me that you are so stuck in your view that you will not weigh what I am telling you truthfully because you are impressed with your views depriving yourself for seeing what God made clear when he first spoke. Everything that I stated, you need to reading look at it fairly, making sure I am speaking according to the Scriptures asking God that his Spirit enlightens you with the truth of his word, what he made clear when he first spoke.
Most important, I appreciate you putting your view on the table in a respectfully manner. I did away with two people because instead of responding accordingly they make false accusations that were not said.
In Deuteronomy 19, he is talking to Israel and it is concerning land, we are talking about what commandments fulfills the law and as you can see from Mark 12:30-31 there is none greater than those two because with those to you can divide the Ten Commandments into two parts, loving the Lord God will pertain to the first part and loving thy neighbor as thyself pertains to the second part.
I am not here to change your view, I am here to put it on the table and it is the Spirit of God who will enlighten one eyes to see what God made clear when he first spoke. I am writing so that one in elementary can understand because it is the way we need to go to scriptures to understand what God made clear when he first spoke, we come to him as children. If you cannot see it the way I am presenting it according to the Scriptures, it is telling me that you are so stuck in your view that you will not weigh what I am telling you truthfully because you are impressed with your views depriving yourself for seeing what God made clear when he first spoke. Everything that I stated, you need to reading look at it fairly, making sure I am speaking according to the Scriptures asking God that his Spirit enlightens you with the truth of his word, what he made clear when he first spoke.
Most important, I appreciate you putting your view on the table in a respectfully manner. I did away with two people because instead of responding accordingly they make false accusations that were not said.
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Moses when he gave the law said literally every jot and tittle must be obeyed perfectly
Deuteronomy 27:26 (NKJV): 26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
Paul in Galatians confirmed this requirement
Galatians 3:10 (NKJV): 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.
James makes it clear. We can keep the law perfectly yet stumble in one point. We are guilty
James 2:8–10 (NKJV): 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
so in your example
if I do not bow down to an idle. Yet commit this other sin. I am a transgressor of the law not a keeper (ie perfection is required)
This is a bible discussion forum. I know what you said. Before you tell me to do something I suggest you read what I am saying
I did not misunderstand you
Deuteronomy 27:26 (NKJV): 26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
Paul in Galatians confirmed this requirement
Galatians 3:10 (NKJV): 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.
James makes it clear. We can keep the law perfectly yet stumble in one point. We are guilty
James 2:8–10 (NKJV): 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
so in your example
if I do not bow down to an idle. Yet commit this other sin. I am a transgressor of the law not a keeper (ie perfection is required)
This is a bible discussion forum. I know what you said. Before you tell me to do something I suggest you read what I am saying
I did not misunderstand you
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You walk in obedience to the law of God and you are walking righteous before God because or your obedient. What Part of the statement you have a problem understanding? Obedient is better than sacrifice, why?
Are you obedient the the law of God where it say "thou shalt not make any graven images, nor bow down to them? You are guilty if you bought to them and if you don't you are obedient to the law of God, what God ask you not to do. I guess this is to profound for you to understand. But please answer, yes or no, are you obedient the the command of God I mentioned, yes or no?
You are missing the point, our obedience to the law of God confirms that we are made God righteousness in Yeshua, not that we are made God's righteousness by the law. I suggest you read the Gospel according to Luke where Zacharias and his wife, they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Let me put it down in elementary level... walking righteously before God and being made God's righteousness is two different thing. You are made God's righteousness, but are you walking a righteous walk? Have the scale from your eyes dropping?
You walk in obedience to the law of God and you are walking righteous before God because or your obedient. What Part of the statement you have a problem understanding? Obedient is better than sacrifice, why?
Are you obedient the the law of God where it say "thou shalt not make any graven images, nor bow down to them? You are guilty if you bought to them and if you don't you are obedient to the law of God, what God ask you not to do. I guess this is to profound for you to understand. But please answer, yes or no, are you obedient the the command of God I mentioned, yes or no?
You are missing the point, our obedience to the law of God confirms that we are made God righteousness in Yeshua, not that we are made God's righteousness by the law. I suggest you read the Gospel according to Luke where Zacharias and his wife, they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Let me put it down in elementary level... walking righteously before God and being made God's righteousness is two different thing. You are made God's righteousness, but are you walking a righteous walk? Have the scale from your eyes dropping?
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Why don't you read my response to posthuman, you are throwing verses out of context. Question, if God said to you, keep my commandment is he stating that it can be kept? If he say keep the Sabbath and some got stone for not keeping it, did those who did not get stoned did they keep the Sabbath?
See, you will never answer my questions because you are impressed with what you been taught, you follow the doctrine of man!
Why don't you read my response to posthuman, you are throwing verses out of context. Question, if God said to you, keep my commandment is he stating that it can be kept? If he say keep the Sabbath and some got stone for not keeping it, did those who did not get stoned did they keep the Sabbath?
See, you will never answer my questions because you are impressed with what you been taught, you follow the doctrine of man!
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You totally ignoring everything I have said
the law says break one command your guilty
Does the law lie?
Jesus told us how to keep the law
did Jesus lie?
paul told us the purpose of the law. Did Paul lie?
if your going to continue to play games I will stop.
If you will not read what I said and try to understand what I am saying then there is no need to continue
the law says break one command your guilty
Does the law lie?
Jesus told us how to keep the law
did Jesus lie?
paul told us the purpose of the law. Did Paul lie?
if your going to continue to play games I will stop.
If you will not read what I said and try to understand what I am saying then there is no need to continue
Im Torah Observent, the besr I can. Truthfully, its mostly dietary laws for me becauae im alone in my walk. I dont want to be martyred by Muslims if im wearing tzit tzit tassels, and such.
The Torah is to help us live in community, it teaches us to love our neighbor. Its also, simply, a spiritual object lesson to teach us the spiritual. When you look at it like that it doesnt seem bad.
My testimony, personally, is I was going through things on a weekly basis and when i studied Torah with believers in Christ, the Torah message, the laws would reflect the heart on the matter that was my issue during that week.
The problem is i thought it was wrong to keep the laws according to doctrines in the church. What really set it in place for me, was when i learnwed His set apart name, which isnt LORD. Its YHVH, and when i studied the Hebrew word pictures for each letter, i understood it was the hand of Christ leading me, because he put his Name's sake confirming it.
Im happy, praise Yah, for where he's brought me. Im focusing at what Peter wrote in his epistle. "..add to faith virtue, and virtue knowledge, and to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, and to brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness, love... "
It was a miracle for me and i cant explain it all necessarily scripturally but the main thing is good to people, understanding, first of all
Hope that shines a light on things.
Peace
The Torah is to help us live in community, it teaches us to love our neighbor. Its also, simply, a spiritual object lesson to teach us the spiritual. When you look at it like that it doesnt seem bad.
My testimony, personally, is I was going through things on a weekly basis and when i studied Torah with believers in Christ, the Torah message, the laws would reflect the heart on the matter that was my issue during that week.
The problem is i thought it was wrong to keep the laws according to doctrines in the church. What really set it in place for me, was when i learnwed His set apart name, which isnt LORD. Its YHVH, and when i studied the Hebrew word pictures for each letter, i understood it was the hand of Christ leading me, because he put his Name's sake confirming it.
Im happy, praise Yah, for where he's brought me. Im focusing at what Peter wrote in his epistle. "..add to faith virtue, and virtue knowledge, and to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, and to brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness, love... "
It was a miracle for me and i cant explain it all necessarily scripturally but the main thing is good to people, understanding, first of all
Hope that shines a light on things.
Peace
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No one is ignoring you, maybe if you seriously read what I posted to others you will have your response, the problem is that you people read on sentence and immediately conclude what I am talking about. READ READ READ then maybe you will learn something.
Does the law lie, how can the law lie, the law of God is perfect, converting the soul. It is a ridiculous question!
Yes, Yeshua told us how to keep the law, read the story of the teacher of the law who knew how to read the law and Yeshua commended him, thou readeth well (can't recall the words). Another ridiculous question!
Did the Apostle Paul die for you? I listen to Yeshua not to the Apostle Paul, but to answer your question, Paul said, does that mean that do away with the law and to his own question he said God forbid.
I am not playing game, it is people like you that cannot accept what God made clear when he first spoke therefore they immediately attack.
I read accordingly, your problem is that you do not read the full context I post, if you read you will get your answer. I read everything, if ridiculous post like the one you just wrote.
Let me say something, you do not have to respond to my post, you appear to be a young person in the way you write, did Yeshua lie, did Paul lie, preposterous questions.
Another this, read the teacher of the law and Yeshua story, read it carefully, tell God to allow the Spirit of God to enlighten your mind with an understanding of the truth of his word what he made clear when he first spoke. When you do this, empty your mind of your view and read.
Did Yeshua lie, did the Apostle Paul lie, what a childish question, I would expect that question from a child. Another thing, everyone that knows me they know that I do not play game. Again, you don't have to respond and you have not responded to anything I said just like many do, only few do and I highly respect postman because he does though we differ and some areas.
No one is ignoring you, maybe if you seriously read what I posted to others you will have your response, the problem is that you people read on sentence and immediately conclude what I am talking about. READ READ READ then maybe you will learn something.
Does the law lie, how can the law lie, the law of God is perfect, converting the soul. It is a ridiculous question!
Yes, Yeshua told us how to keep the law, read the story of the teacher of the law who knew how to read the law and Yeshua commended him, thou readeth well (can't recall the words). Another ridiculous question!
Did the Apostle Paul die for you? I listen to Yeshua not to the Apostle Paul, but to answer your question, Paul said, does that mean that do away with the law and to his own question he said God forbid.
I am not playing game, it is people like you that cannot accept what God made clear when he first spoke therefore they immediately attack.
I read accordingly, your problem is that you do not read the full context I post, if you read you will get your answer. I read everything, if ridiculous post like the one you just wrote.
Let me say something, you do not have to respond to my post, you appear to be a young person in the way you write, did Yeshua lie, did Paul lie, preposterous questions.
Another this, read the teacher of the law and Yeshua story, read it carefully, tell God to allow the Spirit of God to enlighten your mind with an understanding of the truth of his word what he made clear when he first spoke. When you do this, empty your mind of your view and read.
Did Yeshua lie, did the Apostle Paul lie, what a childish question, I would expect that question from a child. Another thing, everyone that knows me they know that I do not play game. Again, you don't have to respond and you have not responded to anything I said just like many do, only few do and I highly respect postman because he does though we differ and some areas.
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Just goes to show you that I reply according if he response to another person and I have to comment I will, I read not just to my response, but when they respond to others.
Again, you continue to show me that you are young with your comment "if your going to act this way you just show your true colors". I won't ask for your age because if you are of age it would be more embarrassing in the way you question than one who is young. This is a topic of discussion and when you understand that then you know that whatever I right whether to you or anyone else, you should read all and respond according and why you disagree other than substantiated your view with the Scriptures.
The teacher of the law and Yeshua is and example, I am showing that the law is not done away with and that it can be fulfilled with two law, which has nothing to do with being made God's righteousness, which has nothing to do with a person being justified, but all to do with being obedient to the law of God. Just like Yeshua quoted the Shema to love the lord God which is a commandment, if you are obedient to this commandment you are obedient to God, nothing to do with justification and nothing to do with Salvation. You have scales in your eyes that you still won't see this truth according to what God made clear when he first spoke.
Now, tell everyone that I do not respond with you, but make sure you substantiate your accusation because everyone know I respond accordingly and never stepping aside from a question or a comment.
Just goes to show you that I reply according if he response to another person and I have to comment I will, I read not just to my response, but when they respond to others.
Again, you continue to show me that you are young with your comment "if your going to act this way you just show your true colors". I won't ask for your age because if you are of age it would be more embarrassing in the way you question than one who is young. This is a topic of discussion and when you understand that then you know that whatever I right whether to you or anyone else, you should read all and respond according and why you disagree other than substantiated your view with the Scriptures.
The teacher of the law and Yeshua is and example, I am showing that the law is not done away with and that it can be fulfilled with two law, which has nothing to do with being made God's righteousness, which has nothing to do with a person being justified, but all to do with being obedient to the law of God. Just like Yeshua quoted the Shema to love the lord God which is a commandment, if you are obedient to this commandment you are obedient to God, nothing to do with justification and nothing to do with Salvation. You have scales in your eyes that you still won't see this truth according to what God made clear when he first spoke.
Now, tell everyone that I do not respond with you, but make sure you substantiate your accusation because everyone know I respond accordingly and never stepping aside from a question or a comment.
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1. I am 54
2. Your not the first person I have discussed this with and you all say the sane thing
3 demanding I read you post to someone else when you refuser I acknowledge my posts is arrogant and childlike
Sadly. This is what I expect from people who think we can be sanctified by our attempt to follow the law
one again do you think you can follow the law yes or no
2. Your not the first person I have discussed this with and you all say the sane thing
3 demanding I read you post to someone else when you refuser I acknowledge my posts is arrogant and childlike
Sadly. This is what I expect from people who think we can be sanctified by our attempt to follow the law
one again do you think you can follow the law yes or no
Actually Yahuah told us the law isnt too hard to keep.. "Deut 30:12-19
10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
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