Torah Observant Christians.

[SUNDOWNSAM]

So let’s get this straight
do you think you can keep the law? Yes or no

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First, keeping the law has nothing to do with justification, nothing to do with being made God's righteous, but all to do with being obedient to God, we walk obedients to God law, whether the Ten Commandment, or to abstain from certain food, we are obedient to God's law.

We are discussing here the Ten Commandments, not the sacrifices for Yeshua fulfilled them once and for all. I do not go around saying keep the law, the Scriptures tell us if we walk after the Spirit the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law, why is it fulfilled? Because the two laws (love God and love they neighbor) is the only way the Ten Commandment can be fulfilled which is why I said to read carefully the story of the teacher of the law and Yeshua, Yeshua commended him because he new how to read the law.

Question to you keep the command to obstain from eathing blood, do you? I certain you will say yes, which mean you kept it, but it all has to do because you are being obedient to God's commandment, right? That is what I am saying about the Ten Commandment and when you are obedient to God's commandments you are walking and are like Zacharias and Elizabeth righteous before God, not that it made you God's righteousness for we know that we are made God's righteousness in Yeshua at the cross.

So, to answer your question, obedience to the Ten Commandment means that the law is part of you, but remember it only can be kept if if walk after the Spirit, the Spirit will fulfill it as we are seeking first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.

I hope you weigh this fairly, it is on the table and you can disagree, I have no problem with that, but through most of my post I brought the Scriptures showing what God made clear when he first spoke.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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Correction in paragraphs... Paul said, does that mean (remove "that") to do away with the law, I read everything even (not if) ridiculous post like the one you just wrote, another thing (not another this).

Yes he did

You establish the law by faith in Christ it’s intended purpose.
Again
do you think you can follow the law or not

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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First, keeping the law has nothing to do with justification, nothing to do with being made God's righteous, but all to do with being obedient to God, we walk obedients to God law, whether the Ten Commandment, or to abstain from certain food, we are obedient to God's law.

We are discussing here the Ten Commandments, not the sacrifices for Yeshua fulfilled them once and for all. I do not go around saying keep the law, the Scriptures tell us if we walk after the Spirit the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law, why is it fulfilled? Because the two laws (love God and love they neighbor) is the only way the Ten Commandment can be fulfilled which is why I said to read carefully the story of the teacher of the law and Yeshua, Yeshua commended him because he new how to read the law.

Question to you keep the command to obstain from eathing blood, do you? I certain you will say yes, which mean you kept it, but it all has to do because you are being obedient to God's commandment, right? That is what I am saying about the Ten Commandment and when you are obedient to God's commandments you are walking and are like Zacharias and Elizabeth righteous before God, not that it made you God's righteousness for we know that we are made God's righteousness in Yeshua at the cross.

So, to answer your question, obedience to the Ten Commandment means that the law is part of you, but remember it only can be kept if if walk after the Spirit, the Spirit will fulfill it as we are seeking first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.

I hope you weigh this fairly, it is on the table and you can disagree, I have no problem with that, but through most of my post I brought the Scriptures showing what God made clear when he first spoke.

I will no longer play this game

I am not talking about justification. If you read my posts you would know that

do you think you can follow the law or not. Yes or no

it’s a simple question

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Yes he did

You establish the law by faith in Christ it’s intended purpose.
Again
do you think you can follow the law or not

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I just answered you on my previous post and I first wrote something for you to get an understanding before I if my yes. But you have not answer my question, if God tells you to keep the Sabbath, does that mean that the Sabbath can be kept? I will also add, if God says do not committed adultery and you do not commit adultery did you keep the law by being obedient to God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I love it when you ask a yes or no question and get a book written in response
red flag alert

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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I just answered you on my previous post and I first wrote something for you to get an understanding before I if my yes. But you have not answer my question, if God tells you to keep the Sabbath, does that mean that the Sabbath can be kept? I will also add, if God says do not committed adultery and you do not commit adultery did you keep the law by being obedient to God?

Yes or no

Is it that hard?

you said I misunderstand you. Prove it by your answer.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I will no longer play this game

I am not talking about justification. If you read my posts you would know that

do you think you can follow the law or not. Yes or no

it’s a simple question

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Apparently, you did not read my post as I stated, you are not into reading, if you read the end I gave you the answer you are looking for, but I will give it do you again, we keep the Ten Commandments because of our obedience to God. Do you keep the commandment to love the Lord God? If so, you KEPT IT because of your obedience to God, but it goes to show that people like you do not like to read, just what answer to pull verses out of context to fit your view.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Yes or no

Is it that hard?

you said I misunderstand you. Prove it by your answer.

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Again, I answered you, but my question to you, are you reading my post because if you are you would have the answer, the yes you are looking for. I just gave you the answer and we keep it because of our obedience to God's what he asks us what to do and what to refrain from.

 

[Think4Myself]

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Again, I answered you, but my question to you, are you reading my post because if you are you would have the answer, the yes you are looking for. I just gave you the answer and we keep it because of our obedience to God's what he asks us what to do and what to refrain from.

Oviously

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Yes or no

Is it that hard?

you said I misunderstand you. Prove it by your answer.

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Let me answer you with a question because 3 or 4 times I gave you the answer. Are you reading what my response to your question?

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

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Again, I answered you, but my question to you, are you reading my post because if you are you would have the answer, the yes you are looking for. I just gave you the answer and we keep it because of our obedience to God's what he asks us what to do and what to refrain from.

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Most likely he will not respond anymore, people like him will away follow the tradition of men. I encourage members of congregations to question in privacy leaders that are preaching on the pulpit doctrines that the Scriptures do not teach and if it is a discussion in a respectful manner put it on the table, he might not accept it, but those around hopefully will go back to the Scriptures to see what God made clear when he first spoke.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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Apparently, you did not read my post as I stated, you are not into reading, if you read the end I gave you the answer you are looking for, but I will give it do you again, we keep the Ten Commandments because of our obedience to God. Do you keep the commandment to love the Lord God? If so, you KEPT IT because of your obedience to God, but it goes to show that people like you do not like to read, just what answer to pull verses out of context to fit your view.

So your answer is yes

thank you, you just proved I did not misunderstand you as you just proved you believe exactly what I said you did

I do not expect an apology. Because I never get them. That’s up to you

Ps.....your wrong

1 we can’t keep the ten commands I proved that to you in the words of Moses Paul and James A post you ignored

2. We obey Jesus by following the law of love. When we do this went bractice do no break commands

3. The human issue. We do not love perfect or all the time. Hence the reason we can not follow the law

Don’t tell me I misunderstood you again. Doing so would be you breaking the command do no bear false witness

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

If you knew it all the time, why did you continue to ask? I even made it clear to you and everyone that read my post. Because you do not read you did not know, so your respond that you knew it all the time is your cover up to not look foolish, but everyone know the game of a childish person. You need to GROW UP!

You were looking for an apology, for what, you childish game? Only children look for apologies, so GROW UP!

Let me show you the different between a man and a boy, the man answers accordingly without ducking questions, the boy doesn't, they want answers, but they would not respond to questions, which you have not responded to any of my question. GROW UP!

You did not prove anything to me and I do not ignore any post not even from a child, so GROW UP!

You stated, we obey Yeshua by following the law of love and practice this we do not break commands, what you are saying you then are keeping the commandment, right? Just go to show that you don't know what you are talking about or you have a problem with reading comprehension, or just don't like to read. Did you read the story of the teacher of the law and Yeshua? Did you? If you need, the two commandments of love fulfills the law, but you hate reading.

About the human issue, read Genesis 26:5 then tell me did Abraham keep the law, can you answer that or you won't because it would proof you wrong.

Did you misunderstood? Throughout this dialogue, I saw few things in you, you hate reading, you have a problem with reading comprehension, and you are a young person the way you answer and question. GROW UP! I an not falsely accusing you, I am telling you what I see. Question, did you read anything I said, if so, why did you ask me to give you a yes or no when I been asking you? Be honest, you can lie to me, but God knows your lies remember that.

Do you know that the Scriptures tell us that if we walk after the Spirit the Spirit of God will fulfill the righteousness of the law? Do you?

If there is one thing I will tell you to do is GROW UP, READING ALL THAT IS POST, DO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND BE HONEST. If you really knew my answer why you made it appear like I was not giving you the answer? Who is the liar? YOU!

MOST OF ALL GROW UP!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you knew it all the time, why did you continue to ask? I even made it clear to you and everyone that read my post. Because you do not read you did not know, so your respond that you knew it all the time is your cover up to not look foolish, but everyone know the game of a childish person. You need to GROW UP!

You were looking for an apology, for what, you childish game? Only children look for apologies, so GROW UP!

Let me show you the different between a man and a boy, the man answers accordingly without ducking questions, the boy doesn't, they want answers, but they would not respond to questions, which you have not responded to any of my question. GROW UP!

You did not prove anything to me and I do not ignore any post not even from a child, so GROW UP!

You stated, we obey Yeshua by following the law of love and practice this we do not break commands, what you are saying you then are keeping the commandment, right? Just go to show that you don't know what you are talking about or you have a problem with reading comprehension, or just don't like to read. Did you read the story of the teacher of the law and Yeshua? Did you? If you need, the two commandments of love fulfills the law, but you hate reading.

About the human issue, read Genesis 26:5 then tell me did Abraham keep the law, can you answer that or you won't because it would proof you wrong.

Did you misunderstood? Throughout this dialogue, I saw few things in you, you hate reading, you have a problem with reading comprehension, and you are a young person the way you answer and question. GROW UP! I an not falsely accusing you, I am telling you what I see. Question, did you read anything I said, if so, why did you ask me to give you a yes or no when I been asking you? Be honest, you can lie to me, but God knows your lies remember that.

Do you know that the Scriptures tell us that if we walk after the Spirit the Spirit of God will fulfill the righteousness of the law? Do you?

If there is one thing I will tell you to do is GROW UP, READING ALL THAT IS POST, DO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND BE HONEST. If you really knew my answer why you made it appear like I was not giving you the answer? Who is the liar? YOU!

MOST OF ALL GROW UP!

I expected this

I get this from legalists

I kept asking because you kept insisting I did not understand

As we just proved. I understood you the whole time

it was You who did not understand what I was saying, yet I did not try to defend. I just kept pointing out what I believe hoping you would give an answer

In fact you still have not responded to any of my comments showing you what Moses Paul and James said about the law. And what Jesus said concerning how one really walks in obedience

Grow up?

You just spent a whole day defending yourself only to be shown you were wrong in what I knew and still have not answered me

and I need to grow up?

Instead of defending yourself at all costs. Sit and read and stop assuming you know peoples motives or understanding of your faith

in doing so. We may ge able to gave an actual discussion

As for content

I read every word. I have heard these same words many times from many people

I do not agree for the reasons I posted

I guess that’s not good enough for you

like many lawyers you seem to think if we disagree with you we do not understand you, instead of discussing our counterpoints you demand we listen to You

news flash

when your ready to discuss why I disagree with you let me know

until then
have fun trying to grow in Christ by following the law

that’s not what the law was given for you will fail. And continue to say you are not failing. And in turn fail to grow in Christ

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I expected this

I get this from legalists

I kept asking because you kept insisting I did not understand

As we just proved. I understood you the whole time

it was You who did not understand what I was saying, yet I did not try to defend. I just kept pointing out what I believe hoping you would give an answer

In fact you still have not responded to any of my comments showing you what Moses Paul and James said about the law. And what Jesus said concerning how one really walks in obedience

Grow up?

You just spent a whole day defending yourself only to be shown you were wrong in what I knew and still have not answered me

and I need to grow up?

Instead of defending yourself at all costs. Sit and read and stop assuming you know peoples motives or understanding of your faith

in doing so. We may ge able to gave an actual discussion

As for content

I read every word. I have heard these same words many times from many people

I do not agree for the reasons I posted

I guess that’s not good enough for you

like many lawyers you seem to think if we disagree with you we do not understand you, instead of discussing our counterpoints you demand we listen to You

news flash

when your ready to discuss why I disagree with you let me know

until then
have fun trying to grow in Christ by following the law

that’s not what the law was given for you will fail. And continue to say you are not failing. And in turn fail to grow in Christ

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Don't lie, you did not understand me, you did not read, unless you were maliciously and wickedly doing this, I believe that former, but if you really knew then you were wicked. I continue telling you I answer, why you accept my last response instead of the four previous? I will tell you why, because you did not read, I noticed this the first time you responded, same as the others people.

As for hoping what you believe says it all, you was not reading my post because I continue to answer you what you claim you wanted to here, so YOU ARE A LIAR. You will be the second person I will call a LIAR, the first do not get on this board, just like you he could not respond accordingly and neither would he just like you, you have not responded to my questions and you won't because you know that others will see who you are. The First guy did not respond to my questions all he did was accused. You are no different, the difference between both of you, you are only do not respond, but you are a liar or you are wicked.

You are a liar that you heard my words in the past, because my response are different then what other say. You never heard someone tell you about the teacher of the law and Yeshua and to explain it, which you still have not explained.

I answered you question, but I see that you are a young person and seriously, you need to GROW UP, everyone on the board already knows you, you are not different then that other liar unitedwithchrist. By the way, learn the difference between defending oneself and allowing the Scriptures to make clear what God said when he first spoke, so it has nothing to do with me trying to defend myself.
First, I put everything on the table, it is up to the person if they want to accept it, it is not my job to make you accept it.
Secondly, I responded to all your post or you can read other post and you will get your response.
Thirdly, let tell me why you have not responded to anything of the question I sent you? Now you will play the childish game because I did not respond to you. YOU NEED TO GROW UP, you are really young.

To prove you have not read any of my post and that you are a LIAR, I never mentioned anything about one growing with the law, if where show me, but people like you will fabricate lies because that is what people like you do when they cannot respond, a sign of a narcissistic disordered behavior you display.

Let me make this clear, I will no longer discuss a topic with you, you need to GROW UP and you are a LIAR, not to mention, you refused to respond to my question.

Rule number one it is okay to disagree, but one needs to respond according to questions which you refuse to answer. When you respond to my question then maybe I will reconsider talking with you.

Answer yourself this question, how do you know you are save and don't hesitate and if you do there is a problem.

Again, GROW UP!

It is sad that I have to write you this way, but some people need to be put in their place. GROW UP!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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Don't lie, you did not understand me, . GROW UP!

you sir are a liar. I understood you quite well,

good Day.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

you sir are a liar. I understood you quite well,

good Day.

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Don't the truth hurts?

Everyone that have read your post gathered that you are not only a liar, but you have to be a young person who needs the grow up, you quesition did Yeshua lie, did the Apostle lie

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

you sir are a liar. I understood you quite well,

good Day.

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Don't the truth hurts?

Everyone that have read your post gathered that you are not only a liar, but you have to be a young person who needs the grow up, you quesition did Yeshua lie, did the Apostle Paul lie and the fact that you could not respond to my questions says it all.

I can see that you did not like what I previously stated by the way you responded in your above lie and everyone that does not respond accordingly has your same attitude.

As you go through the day remember these words GROW UP, then tell yourself that you need to learn how to have a discussion.

This will be my last response to your nonsense and whenever you respond to any of my post I will know how to respond back and everyone will get the message about you.

 

[Whispered]

The dispensational aspect of this chart is in error

How so? Please be specific.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

How so? Please be specific.

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Whispered, I went to eternally-grateful past posts and I am correct, he has a narcissistic behavior disorder problems, he thinks he knows it all which is why he does not read what people write and instead of putting his view on the table as to why he pulls verses out of context then drives to spoon other with what he wants them to believe. Just like unitedwithchrist, never responded, fabricating lies and false accusations, he is no different. Unitedwithchrist rarely post because it was pointed out to him and this person is no different.

One more thing, he is a young person the way he writes and questions. I told him he is not only a liar which I will address with with, but needs to GROW UP.

I do not think he will respond to your question, unless he is a copy and past person who really do not know anything. I have no problem saying it like it is, people like him needs to be pointed out. Some already know about him.

How so? Please be specific.

you sir are a liar. I understood you quite well,

good Day.

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I was correct about you that not only you have a narcissitic disorder behavior, but that you do not respond to anyone when, you just make false accusations. I looked at some of your past post and these three of many questions and statements they are posting directly to you... Where in the above did I say that? Do you even know what you're writing (I even told you this), you do not respond, and I can continue on.

I guess you need to GROW UP.