Understanding God’s election

[Blain]

The elect is limited to the elect, it is them only whom God Justified. So Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Thats all the elect of Rom 8:33

you do realize you just proved my point right? it says all men again the word all men pops up how much more evidence do you need?

 

[Blain]

• 1 Timothy 2:4: "Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth"
  
  
• 2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

 

[brightfame52]

you do realize you just proved my point right? it says all men again the word all men pops up how much more evidence do you need?

I proved my point, the all men in Rom 5:18 is limited to the elect

 

[brightfame52]

• 1 Timothy 2:4: "Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth"
  
  
• 2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

Those are the elect

 

[Inquisitor]

"Speculation", you say? Now there something to build a solid theology behind. [Carnal] Speculation is in competition with God's revealed, eternal truth?



It's not a big list, but it does reveal a lot about Judas. The four passages that I'm aware of are: Ps 41:9; 69:25; 109 ff.; Zech 11:12-13.

If you have trouble making sense out out Ps 109, give me a shout and I'll share what I see in the Psalm. The reason I say this is because the first 5 verses of this messianic psalm speak of David's enemies in the plural, e.g. "they" is used several times. But in v.6, David switches gears by talking of one man "opposing him". And of an "accuser [that is to] "stand his right hand" So, this might seem confusing to you at first blush. But we should remember that Peter in Acts 1:20 clearly alludes to v.8 in this Psalm when speaking about Judas. Therefore, unmistakably this is a messianic Psalm. And so for the balance of the Psalm David talks about this one man (presumably the appointed "evil man" in v.6a) and his cursed descendants, all that he owned, etc.

God's eternal truth was the full revelation of the Christ.

The full council of God was, once again, revealed to us fully in Jesus Christ.

We are now speaking of a revelation far greater than Psalm 109.

You will apply an interpretation to Psalm 109 of course, is it valid?

Well Rufus, David's enemies are in the plural (verse 9) not the singular.

The necessity of the messiah to reconcile mankind was spelt out in detail in the Old Testament.

Jesus was the alpha and the omega of everything; the full council of God in human form.

 

[Blain]

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

[Inquisitor]

He didn't say given. He said the free gift came upon all. So that's what I inquired about. Do you know what or who the free gift is that came upon all?

The Holy Spirit was the gift but the Holy Spirit is God also!

 

[Genez]

Prayer is only for all men pf the elect whose names have been written in the lambs book of life Rev 13:8;17:8 for they are the only ones God wills to be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth.

Some men God deliberately sends them a strong delusion to believe a lie, so they aren't the same ones 2 Thess 2:10-12

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

These men are not to be prayed for !

........ for they are the only ones God wills to be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth?

You have no idea how "donkey" backwards you are about God.
But, to make your inconsistencies work, you settle upon rationales that insult the Integrity of God.

Rather than question your position. One, that you should if you sensed the nature of God?
You take a position that makes God appear to be limited and frustrated, unable to have a righteous resolve,
making God look like he cheats at cards. And then? Declares... "I own the deck!"

You have your God caught in a dilemma of contradiction and inconsistency.
One that forces himself to contradict His divine nature, as to make things work for your choice doctrinal thesis to work.

And, when confronted by solid reasoning?
You duck duck behind some picket fence by writing off the other as an Armenian, or free-willer.

TULIP makes no sense in the light of the fairness and justness of a Righteous God.

But, back when it originated? TULIP would hold the mood of someone who just walked away from the tyrannical insanity of the Vatican, only to replace it with something less tyrannical, and seemingly less insane. The common man was uneducated at the
time both denominations faced off, and were seen as viable and fitting for those so inclined to be wanting to be told what to think
without question.

God decreed before the foundation of the world that I would make this post.

..............

 

[Blain]

Those are the elect

yes and the elect is with the words not wanting ANYONE to perish the words with the other scriptures I posted all whosover also says who the elect is and it is right there mall these words meaning the same thing not being taken out of context but take his word at face value and what do you get?

No interpretation needed just believe what the word of God says

 

[Blain]

I proved my point, the all men in Rom 5:18 is limited to the elect

nowhere in what you posted said anything like that show me where

 

[Inquisitor]

The elect is limited to the elect, it is them only whom God Justified. So Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Thats all the elect of Rom 8:33

That's correct, all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Israel were the chosen, the elect, the first at that time, the Gentiles were recently chosen in Christ.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

By proclaiming this, you have placed yourself on a very lofty hill. You are in fact stating what God must or must not do to remain just and fair by your standards.

You'd be correct if there weren't Scripture to back what I'm saying. I'm only holding God to His Word.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That's correct, all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Israel were the chosen, the elect, the first at that time, the Gentiles were recently chosen in Christ.

Gentiles are grafted in. We don't replace the Jews.

 

[Cameron143]

The Holy Spirit was the gift but the Holy Spirit is God also!

Do all men receive the Holy Spirit? Has He come upon all men?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

"Not just", according to your way of thinking and doing things or God's way of thinking and his way of doing things?

Same answer I just gave the last poster, I'm holding God to His Word. Simple as that.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Holy Spirit was the gift but the Holy Spirit is God also!

Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You cannot erase what is written in the Bible. You choose to insist that what is written doesn't actually exist,when it actually does.

Read my lips, it doesn't exist anywhere in the Word. God did not make a people for destruction. You are making Him a liar.

 

[Inquisitor]

Do all men receive the Holy Spirit? Has He come upon all men?

John 16:8
And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment.

Not sure how you interpret "convict the world" but no doubt you will.

 

[Rufus]

And what would imply that it doesn't mean the whole world? it isn't just that one either would you like me to post even more verses that say all whole world ect.? even the greek which it was written in says this
e Greek word for "world" in John 3:16 is kosmos (κοσμος).

The word kosmos has multiple meanings, including:

• The universe
• The earth
• The people on earth
• • Most people
  • People opposed to God
  • The human system opposed to God's purposes

In John 3:16, the word "world" refers to humans as God's creatures who have fallen into sin. The verse emphasizes the word "world" by repeating it and moving between meanings without explanation.

The word kosmos is also the source of the English words "cosmetology" and "cosmology".

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  but the only way your theology works out is if you change what the scriptures say and you can say it implies something else but you need to prove it
  
  

So...you take the time to post definitions for the Gr. term "kosmos" and, yet, fail to see that not one of those definitions (or categories) say or imply each and every person in the world.

Moreover, I'm not assuming the opposite of what you are! The context of the passage, which you are still ignoring, tells me what John meant when he said the "whole world". Careless exegesis will inevitably lead to mistakes. Would you like for me to make my short case for my understanding of 1Jn 2:2?

 

[Rufus]

Read my lips, it doesn't exist anywhere in the Word. God did not make a people for destruction. You are making Him a liar.

I guess you never read Rom 9:16ff.?