I keep seeing, Tulip made Calvin cry .
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Understanding God’s election
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I actually can't find any reference to Jean Cauvin crying, though he did have personal losses. In the past it wasn't considered 'weird' for men to publicly weep, though (not to say have a meltdown) .
Matthew 21:43
Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing
the fruit of it.
Romans 8:12-13
So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh, for if you are living
according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body,
you will live.
The onus is on you to put to death the deeds of the flesh.
If you do not want the kingdom of God ripped from your grasp, start practicing the fruit of the spirit.
Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing
the fruit of it.
Romans 8:12-13
So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh, for if you are living
according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body,
you will live.
The onus is on you to put to death the deeds of the flesh.
If you do not want the kingdom of God ripped from your grasp, start practicing the fruit of the spirit.
I don't need election to make the case I'm making in Ephesians. It isn't dealing with election. Ephesians 2 is concerned with salvation. In verses 1-3, God says He quickens, or makes alive, those who are dead in trespasses and sins. He follows this up describing what it is to be dead in trespasses and sins. He is clearly describing the unbeliever. In verse 5, God says that he those dead in their sins with Christ. Thus, God makes unbelievers alive together with Christ directly from a state of unbelief. That is regeneration before belief.
And that's what we should never forget.
And that's what we should never forget.
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You have a problem, you did not mention that the gospel had to first be preached.
No Gentile is being quickened or anything else for that matter, until Christ is preached.
You have no hope, separated from Christ, stone dead, until what?
You don't have the Holy Spirit before the gospel is preached.
Cameron, do I have to repeat myself.
Ephesians 2:11-12
Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by the
so-called Circumcision, which is performed in the flesh by human hands, remember that you were at that
time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of
promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Separate from Christ!!!
No Gentile is being quickened or anything else for that matter, until Christ is preached.
You have no hope, separated from Christ, stone dead, until what?
You don't have the Holy Spirit before the gospel is preached.
Cameron, do I have to repeat myself.
Ephesians 2:11-12
Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by the
so-called Circumcision, which is performed in the flesh by human hands, remember that you were at that
time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of
promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Separate from Christ!!!
Before I call it a day, where are all the smartest people in this room? Not a peep from anyone on my 7445 which dealt with Prov 11:1, 20 which teach that God detests both sin and the sinner, respectively. Have you FWers, especially, swallowed your tongue whole, or have your hands become crippled with painful writers' cramps, or have you become blind so that you cannot see your screens?
This just goes to show how awesome, incredible and incomprehensibly powerful God's Word is. Two small passages have, evidently, torpedoed people's theological views of God.
This just goes to show how awesome, incredible and incomprehensibly powerful God's Word is. Two small passages have, evidently, torpedoed people's theological views of God.
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It was so much better when the spirits committed to conflict talked among themselves.
It was so much better when the Discordians were talking to themselves and we Saints in Christ stayed in His Word.
They were begging for attention and we denied them. As God instructed.
Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
It was so much better when the Discordians were talking to themselves and we Saints in Christ stayed in His Word.
They were begging for attention and we denied them. As God instructed.
Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
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When a Calvinist says tulip is a gospel he/she refers to a written body of teaching of a religious group (reformed faith) and that it should be unquestionable truth. He is not referring to what Christ did on the cross speaking of his death, burial, and resurrection. Sense philosophically but not biblically.
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