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All will be saved? Why are you here then?

You could do nothing, and everyone will be saved.

And you base this statement on me not believing in Eternal Torment?

We are all here for God's Good Pleasure and His Glory.

For we live and move and have our being in Him.
 
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And you base this statement on me not believing in Eternal Torment?
No, because you have said you believe everyone will be saved.
 

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Absolutely NOT, All will be Saved, By The Blood of The Lamb

Do you not understand that their is a rebellion against Almighty Yahweh?

Do you not understand that not all accept Salvation, and believe they will break free from the "prison" that Almighty Yahweh God put them in, in their minds?


There is a rebellion of people who do not love ALmighty Yahweh God with all their heart and soul and do not want salvation.


Yes there is a force that know the truth about Yahweh ALmighty God and salvation through Yeshua our Messiah and believe the devil is helping them break out of prison?

The devil convinced them long ago that he was helping them, by playing on their corrupted seed, of lust, greed, envy etc .......

Why do you think the commandments were given?
If we would of kept them, the devil could not of used people to go against the Most High Yahweh Almighty God.

We could not keep them, and the price of sin was death until Yeshua our Saviour laid down his life in our place.

We no longer have to die for our sin.


Why do you think people are writing books that lead people away from the truth?

Because they think that the way to "escape" is by turning everyone of us away from our Almighty Yahweh God and his gift of Salvation through Yeshua our Saviour.

They even made a new languages up, that could be used to replace true names, with their gods names...

They even taught you evolution, and wrote history to suit their goal.............

They could not accomplish any of this if they did not imprison the sheep into slavery, under democratic banner.....

The thing is they were always going to accomplish this, and it is not about making peace it is about accepting salvation and being set free.

The truth will set you free............


We now have become dependent on man, if they want to cut off the electric or food and water supply they could.

If all the money in the world did not exist, which of us would stop breathing? none.

We have air, but if we want water and food we will need to use money, unless we have land to grow and keep our own food.

We have become dependent on the devils idea of life, instead of Almighty Yahweh God.

he gave us a way of life and we wanted more... and more....

Now we will witness the outcome of mans idea of life.....

we are no better off than when we first begun, we have not listened and obeyed and will learn a lesson.

Accept salvation, repent and realise this world is not pleasing Yahweh God Almighty, Yeshua did not come to save us from sin, so that we could continue following the corrupted seed.

Evil is running this world and will right into destruction. Nothing can stop that, you can however accept Salvation.

They will even hide under the word peace and love, but that is only to mislead people.




Revelation 11:6-12 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.


I say that people do not understand wicked from good.

There always has to be a good guy bad guy scenario.... problem is what if both sides were as wicked as the other?

what if it was all part of the plan?

The Bible holds the key to the truth, read and revise it so that you do not become confused.
 
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Loveme1,

With all do respect, your eyes are on the world way to much, and not on The Father.

God is in control of All things, where is your faith.
Man does not choose God, He chooses whom He wills, and who He hardens in every age.

But as sure as I know Him, I am also fully convinced by Him, That He will have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the Truth.

He is The Saviour of All men, especially to those that believe,
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall All be made Alive.

Whether you believe it or not.
Whether you see it or not.

I used to believe like you, and The Truth set me free.

Blessings
 
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#52 - SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND - JOSEPH KIRK, WILLIAM C. REBMANN, DEAN HOUGH, AND JAMES CORAM

“What was done cannot be undone. The work of God and the obedience of Christ on Golgotha is not something conditional on whether or not we believe it or respond to it or prepare ourselves for it. It has already happened, and its effects are unstoppable. The consequence of the obedience of Christ is that every descendant of Adam will be constituted righteous. When Christ died, God was there in Him conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offences to them (2Cor. 5:19). Peace is not made by us; it is made by God in the death of His Son. And now God is entreating through us that this peace might be recognized and enjoyed (2Cor. 5:20).”
Dean Hough
 

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Loveme1,

With all do respect, your eyes are on the world way to much, and not on The Father.

God is in control of All things, where is your faith.
Man does not choose God, He chooses whom He wills, and who He hardens in every age.

But as sure as I know Him, I am also fully convinced by Him, That He will have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the Truth.

He is The Saviour of All men, especially to those that believe,
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall All be made Alive.

Whether you believe it or not.
Whether you see it or not.

I used to believe like you, and The Truth set me free.

Blessings
We all have an understanding, and if i be wrong then i will be judged.
I never said evil would win.

All things comes pass for good in the end.

My Faith is in the most high Almighty Yahweh God, and certainly not in man made peace!!!!!

And right now I am here witnessing and learning the lesson of what happens when man follows evil and not their creator the Almighty Yahweh.

If you fail to see that, then read through the Bible and the truth will set you free from the idea that Universal reconciliation is on offer...

Salvation is what is available.

1 The LORD Almighty says, "The day of judgment is coming, burning like a furnace. The arrogant and the wicked will be burned up like straw on that day. They will be consumed like a tree - roots and all.

2 "But for you who fear my name, the Sun of Righteousness will rise with healing in his wings. And you will go free, leaping with joy like calves let out to pasture. 3 On the day when I act, you will tread upon the wicked as if they were dust under your feet," says the LORD Almighty.

who then are the wicked?




4 "Listen to me, my people. Hear me, Israel, for my law will be proclaimed, and my justice will become a light to the nations. 5 My mercy and justice are coming soon. Your salvation is on the way. I will rule the nations. They will wait for me and long for my power.

6 Look up to the skies above, and gaze down on the earth beneath. For the skies will disappear like smoke, and the earth will wear out like a piece of clothing. The people of the earth will die like flies, but my salvation lasts forever. My righteous rule will never end!

7 "Listen to me, you who know right from wrong and cherish my law in your hearts. Do not be afraid of people's scorn or their slanderous talk. 8 For the moth will destroy them as it destroys clothing. The worm will eat away at them as it eats wool. But my righteousness will last forever. My salvation will continue from generation to generation."
11 Those who have been ransomed by the LORD will return to Jerusalem, singing songs of everlasting joy. Sorrow and mourning will disappear, and they will be overcome with joy and gladness.


which peoples scorn, should we not be afraid of, if all are saved?
 
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#62 - A RANSOM FOR ALL – E.T. SPRINGETT MOXHAM

“We scan the dark ages of man and note how in the most pitiful ignorance, men, women, and children have died without the light of love – bitter, belabored and bereft of hope. All this and worse if the theories of men who limit the Gospel of Christ are right!

But why limit God? Why limit His power? Why indeed limit His plan and purposes for the ages of time? Why take part of His plan and label it as the whole? Why limit the great God of love at all, He Who is infinite love? Why indeed limit the compassion and overflowing love of Jesus ‘who gave Himself a ransom for all’? (1Tim. 2:5,6). Are not the arms of Jesus long enough or strong enough to reach out and ****** the sinner from the jaws of suffering and death, if not in this dispensation, then in the ages to come? God ‘will have all men to be saved and come into a knowledge of the truth’ (Rom. 5:18). Never let it be said that any one of us limited God in any way.”
 

loveme1

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We do not limit anything, we accept what is written in the Bible.

By "limit" you could be understood as knowing a better way to save men from death than the Almighty Yahweh God, so it is not us limiting, but accepting that he knows best, and he does it his way and not how we think he should....

having seen your quote, I am sure that you need to read the Bible again.

You are quoting a man, and not the Bible.............


You are questioning the Most High and making him into something that you want him to be.


He is the Almighty Yahweh God, and he does not need any of our ideas.........

Accept Salvation, and stop entertaining man made theories. There is a day of Judgement, your quote is not from the Bible, and now i can see where you were coming from.

If you have decided this is what you will follow then that is your freewill.......
 
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We do not limit anything, we accept what is written in the Bible.

By "limit" you could be understood as knowing a better way to save men from death than the Almighty Yahweh God, so it is not us limiting, but accepting that he knows best, and he does it his way and not how we think he should....

having seen your quote, I am sure that you need to read the Bible again.

You are quoting a man, and not the Bible.............


You are questioning the Most High and making him into something that you want him to be.


He is the Almighty Yahweh God, and he does not need any of our ideas.........

Accept Salvation, and stop entertaining man made theories. There is a day of Judgement, your quote is not from the Bible, and now i can see where you were coming from.

If you have decided this is what you will follow then that is your freewill.......

Loveme1,

This Thread is for witness only, of not only me but many others that believe the same thing.

Understanding the Salvation of All is by Revelation, not man, it cannot be revealed by man.
I knew this long before I ever found out that their were others that saw and understood the same thing.

I would lay down my life for what I believe because of that, and have.
would you? for what you believe? Are you that sure of what you believe, has it been put through the fire, and have you been shaken to the very core of your beliefs?

Because I can promise you sweetie what you are believing in, as far as Freewill, and not all being saved, and eternal torment, When put to the test, will crumble and fall apart like a two dollar suit case, I know.

At one time I believed exactly like you and in the very same things.

Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.


2Co 5:16 So that we henceforth have known no one according to the flesh, and even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him no more;
2Co 5:17 so that if any one is in Christ-- he is a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things.
2Co 5:18 And the all things are of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ--a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:20 in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, `Be ye reconciled to God;'
2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.

Blessings
 

loveme1

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"Because I can promise you sweetie what you are believing in, as far as Freewill, and not all being saved, and eternal torment, When put to the test, will crumble and fall apart like a two dollar suit case, I know"

Please do not make promises to me, you have not right to. For you talk against the Bible and have created your own ending up in your mind.

Have I not believed in the Bible? And yes I will lay down my life, and it won't be in vain.

You are in a dangerous mindset.... All men won't be saved, because the Bible does not support this,

Almighty Yahweh God wanted all men to be saved, but how can he save people who think he is imprisoning them? And the devil is helping them escape etc....

How can he justify all the suffering of his servants, by saving all men? Yes Almighty Yahweh God would be glorified if we all loved him with all our heart and souls, but not all will or do.

Your theory does not hold up against scripture, so you quoted a man's book, that misinterpreted scripture to suit his own ego.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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"Because I can promise you sweetie what you are believing in, as far as Freewill, and not all being saved, and eternal torment, When put to the test, will crumble and fall apart like a two dollar suit case, I know"

Please do not make promises to me, you have not right to. For you talk against the Bible and have created your own ending up in your mind.

Have I not believed in the Bible? And yes I will lay down my life, and it won't be in vain.

You are in a dangerous mindset.... All men won't be saved, because the Bible does not support this,

Almighty Yahweh God wanted all men to be saved, but how can he save people who think he is imprisoning them? And the devil is helping them escape etc....

How can he justify all the suffering of his servants, by saving all men? Yes Almighty Yahweh God would be glorified if we all loved him with all our heart and souls, but not all will or do.

Your theory does not hold up against scripture, so you quoted a man's book, that misinterpreted scripture to suit his own ego.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
One sweetie it's plan to read your are preaching the doctrine of man and not of God. But thats ok God will forgive you or has forgiven you for that.
 

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If you do not accept revelation, why accept any of the Bible?

Have you chose all the parts that suit yourself then?

If I am guilty of using the Bible as reference then so be it. :)

Translation altering is obviously a problem, as i have found.
 

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Seriously some of you sound like a new age movement in disguise.................
 
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"Because I can promise you sweetie what you are believing in, as far as Freewill, and not all being saved, and eternal torment, When put to the test, will crumble and fall apart like a two dollar suit case, I know"

Please do not make promises to me, you have not right to. For you talk against the Bible and have created your own ending up in your mind.

Have I not believed in the Bible? And yes I will lay down my life, and it won't be in vain.

You are in a dangerous mindset.... All men won't be saved, because the Bible does not support this,

Almighty Yahweh God wanted all men to be saved, but how can he save people who think he is imprisoning them? And the devil is helping them escape etc....

How can he justify all the suffering of his servants, by saving all men? Yes Almighty Yahweh God would be glorified if we all loved him with all our heart and souls, but not all will or do.

Your theory does not hold up against scripture, so you quoted a man's book, that misinterpreted scripture to suit his own ego.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Notice what goes into the fire? The things that are not of Him. They are burned up.
But the man shall be saved as though through fire.



1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 

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7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


Then, why not say all men shall inherit all things?
 
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Loveme1,

You see death and destruction of the world and men, when reading the book of Revelation,

When we read,... it's a book of Restoration, Redemption, and Reconciliation for ALL.

IT IS THE REVELATION OF CHRIST, IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY.
 
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7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


Then, why not say all men shall inherit all things?
Because NOW and HERE is the time and place, in this present EVIL age, that we are to overcome.

When we die, what is there to overcome?
 
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7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


Then, why not say all men shall inherit all things?
Read what you just wrote please! MY SON AND WHO WOULD THAT BE? COULD THAT BE JESUS AND DID HE NOT OVERCOME ALL AND INHERIT ALL? AND DID HE NOT GIVE IT AS A GIFT TO HIS CREATION?
 
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Read what you just wrote please! MY SON AND WHO WOULD THAT BE? COULD THAT BE JESUS AND DID HE NOT OVERCOME ALL AND INHERIT ALL? AND DID HE NOT GIVE IT AS A GIFT TO HIS CREATION?
Beautiful!
 
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It's just to simple isn't it! Gee who say that? Could that have been a quote from God OH- my how could He do something like that!