Universal Reconciliation

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1Jn 2:2 and he--he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,
 
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1Jn 2:2 and he--he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,
Yes, for anyone who will choose to believe.

John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Universal salvation is not true.
 
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Joh 6:44 No one is able to come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day.



Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself.

Isa 59:1 Lo, the hand of Jehovah Hath not been shortened from saving, Nor heavy his ear from hearing.
 
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Yes, for anyone who will choose to believe.

John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Universal salvation is not true.
Take a lesson from the first one Adam, what did he do when he sinned against God,

He hid himself, There is no search for God in Fallen man, that nature will not seek God, you know this,
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Lest Father drags him, and he be quickened by the Life given Spirit of God, he will not seek God but will try and hide himself among the trees, (the world).



Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Psa 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
Psa 139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
Psa 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.



Isa 65:1 I have been inquired of by those who asked not, I have been found by those who sought Me not, I have said, `Behold Me, behold Me,' Unto a nation not calling in My name.


Act 17:24 `God, who did make the world, and all things in it, this One, of heaven and of earth being Lord, in temples made with hands doth not dwell,
Act 17:25 neither by the hands of men is He served--needing anything, He giving to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 He made also of one blood every nation of men, to dwell upon all the face of the earth--having ordained times before appointed, and the bounds of their dwellings--
Act 17:27 to seek the Lord, if perhaps they did feel after Him and find, --though, indeed, He is not far from each one of us,
Act 17:28 for in Him we live, and move, and are; as also certain of your poets have said: For of Him also we are offspring.
 
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Take a lesson from the first one Adam, what did he do when he sinned against God,

He hid himself, There is no search for God in Fallen man, that nature will not seek God...
That statement is not true. Any man can choose to seek God, and any who seeks God will find Him.

There are spiritual things that an unsaved person cannot know, but any man can choose to seek God.

Universal salvation is not true. If you want to see all men saved, start sharing the gospel. We are ambassadors for Christ.
 
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That statement is not true. Any man can choose to seek God, and any who seeks God will find Him.

There are spiritual things that an unsaved person cannot know, but any man can choose to seek God.

Universal salvation is not true. If you want to see all men saved, start sharing the gospel. We are ambassadors for Christ.
God in Christ Reconciling the Whole World unto Himself is The Gospel (Good News).


Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ--a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:20 in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, `Be ye reconciled to God;'
2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.
 
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Yes, for anyone who will choose to believe.

John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Universal salvation is not true.
the whosoever is christ because he the only one that believeth in God. The rest of us are the ones that get the gift of his belief. HE IS FRIST IN EVERTHING.
 
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That statement is not true. Any man can choose to seek God, and any who seeks God will find Him.

There are spiritual things that an unsaved person cannot know, but any man can choose to seek God.

Universal salvation is not true. If you want to see all men saved, start sharing the gospel. We are ambassadors for Christ.
SHOW ME CHAPTHER AND VERSE THAT SAY'S MAN CHOOSE GOD. I"LL GIVE YOU A HINT IT AREN'T IN THE BOOK. GOD DOES THE CHOOSING.
 
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SHOW ME CHAPTHER AND VERSE THAT SAY'S MAN CHOOSE GOD. I"LL GIVE YOU A HINT IT AREN'T IN THE BOOK. GOD DOES THE CHOOSING.
God does NOT do the choosing. His will is for ALL men to be saved. Not all will be. Why? Because they reject the gospel.

Calvinism is not true.

Every man has free will to choose God or not.

Deut 30:19) I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
 
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SHOW ME CHAPTHER AND VERSE THAT SAY'S MAN CHOOSE GOD. I"LL GIVE YOU A HINT IT AREN'T IN THE BOOK. GOD DOES THE CHOOSING.
See I have set before thee this day life and good, death and evil. . . .Therefore choose life. . ..to choose life is to choose God. That thou mayest love the Lord thy God. . . for he is thy life Deuteronomy 30

. . . choose you this day whom ye will serve. . . .but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15

I believe that is a choice we make. . . .

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

To believe is a choice; to not believe is a choice.
 
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the whosoever is christ because he the only one that believeth in God. The rest of us are the ones that get the gift of his belief. HE IS FRIST IN EVERTHING.
That makes no sense.

John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You say the "whosoever" is Christ. In other words, "Christ believes in Christ".

Duh.:)
 
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God in Christ Reconciling the Whole World unto Himself is The Gospel (Good News).
Right. Salvation is available to anyone who will choose to believe.

Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ--a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:20 in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, `Be ye reconciled to God;'
2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.
Yep. Men are reconciled to God when they choose to believe. That's why it's important to do our part as ambassadors, and speak the word so people CAN believe.

Rom 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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God does NOT do the choosing. His will is for ALL men to be saved. Not all will be. Why? Because they reject the gospel.

Calvinism is not true.

Every man has free will to choose God or not.

Deut 30:19) I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
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See I have set before thee this day life and good, death and evil. . . .Therefore choose life. . ..to choose life is to choose God. That thou mayest love the Lord thy God. . . for he is thy life Deuteronomy 30

. . . choose you this day whom ye will serve. . . .but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15

I believe that is a choice we make. . . .

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

To believe is a choice; to not believe is a choice.
1 old test are statement of facts they have nothing to do with new coventant stand.
2 the whosoever is christ the hm is god the subject of the verse. because christ did we are given the gift.
 
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Right. Salvation is available to anyone who will choose to believe.


Yep. Men are reconciled to God when they choose to believe. That's why it's important to do our part as ambassadors, and speak the word so people CAN believe.

Rom 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
still no choose verse given by you. Here's one ALL DIE IN ADAM ( what choose did you have in that) ALL MADE ALIVE IN CHRIST (what choose is there in that). Or how about God will raise up who he will's and put down who he will's or all Israel will be saved. Opps god doesn't line up with understanding does He.Or does Jesus who said I CHOOSE YOU.
 
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1 old test are statement of facts they have nothing to do with new coventant stand.
2 the whosoever is christ the hm is god the subject of the verse. because christ did we are given the gift.
How did I know that would be the first response!!! The OT was written for my learning - So from those verses in Deut. I learned that if I chose God, I chose life and blessing for my life.

The whosoever is WHOSOEVER - it doesn't make sense to be speaking of Christ. For God so loved the world that he gave - gave what - his only begotten Son - that whosoever believeth in him - his only begotten Son (what he gave) should not perish but have everlasting life.
 
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How did I know that would be the first response!!! The OT was written for my learning - So from those verses in Deut. I learned that if I chose God, I chose life and blessing for my life.

The whosoever is WHOSOEVER - it doesn't make sense to be speaking of Christ. For God so loved the world that he gave - gave what - his only begotten Son - that whosoever believeth in him - his only begotten Son (what he gave) should not perish but have everlasting life.

Where is Christ in your choosing, and in this decision that you are claiming?

Again my dear you are incorrect, this was UNDER THE LAW, and by an outward act of obedience.

Are you fallen from Grace? by returning to the law?

Because that makes Christ Sacrifice of none effect to you.

Think about it please.
 
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Right. Salvation is available to anyone who will choose to believe.


Yep. Men are reconciled to God when they choose to believe. That's why it's important to do our part as ambassadors, and speak the word so people CAN believe.

Rom 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Again wrong Shroom, it is not by the hearing of the LOGOS as you interpret it.

This is RHEMA Word, This is the Spirit of The Word that causes you to grow in Faith.

Or the hearing in the ear.

You know, he who has ears to hear, let him hear.
 
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Where is Christ in your choosing, and in this decision that you are claiming?

Again my dear you are incorrect, this was UNDER THE LAW, and by an outward act of obedience.

Are you fallen from Grace? by returning to the law?

Because that makes Christ Sacrifice of none effect to you.

Think about it please.
It is not a law to choose to love the Lord thy God - in fact I think it is one of the great commandments given to us by Jesus. God sent his Son - whosoever believeth on the Son - shall be given everlasting life. My belief in his Son saves me and gives me everlasting life - with my heart I believe unto righteousness. Grace did not save me - grace is God's favor towards me - I am saved by faith (belief) in Jesus Christ.

For by grace (God's favor) are ye saved through (by) faith (belief) not of works lest any man should boast.