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loveme1

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#81
Yeshua overcome, and are his bride :)
 

loveme1

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Because NOW and HERE is the time and place, in this present EVIL age, that we are to overcome.

When we die, what is there to overcome?
So everyone is saved, Yeshua overcome sin, so why are we still here?

We are born of the holy spirit, and then must wait for everyone else to accept salvation?

So it is just a case of men all accepting salvation, and we all live happily ever after?

One problem the Bible does not support this.
 
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So everyone is saved, Yeshua overcome sin, so why are we still here?

Just where are you expecting to go? To Heaven? the scriptures doesn't teach that.
He said: "I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am, there you may be also.


We are born of the holy spirit, and then must wait for everyone else to accept salvation?
And He said: Rest a little while longer till your brethren be killed as you were.
And white robes were given unto them.


So it is just a case of men all accepting salvation, and we all live happily ever after?

By George I think you got it. But we see this by faith, not by sight. for the just shall "truly" Live by faith.

One problem the Bible does not support this.
Just because you don't see this happening according to your understanding of scripture, is no sign that it's not, We KNOW that it is.

Praise your Holy Name
 

loveme1

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So where are all those people that died since Yeshua our Messiah was sacrificed for our sin?




32“No one knows when that day or hour will come[m]—not the angels in heaven, not the Son, but only the Father. 33Be careful! Watch out! Because you don't know when the time will come. 34It's like a man who went on a trip. As he left home, he put his servants in charge, each with his own work, and he ordered the doorkeeper to be alert. 35So keep on watching, because you don't know when the master of the house is coming—whether in the evening, at three o'clock in the morning,[n] or at dawn. 36Otherwise, he may come suddenly and find you asleep. 37I'm telling you what I'm telling everyone: Be alert!”


If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened (Matthew 24:15, 21-22).
 
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So where are all those people that died since Yeshua our Messiah was sacrificed for our sin?
I'll answer you the same way He answered me when I asked Him this same question.

Where do you think they are?


His question to me, was much more important than mine to Him. Because it does matter what you believe, and why.


32“No one knows when that day or hour will come[m]—not the angels in heaven, not the Son, but only the Father. 33Be careful! Watch out! Because you don't know when the time will come. 34It's like a man who went on a trip. As he left home, he put his servants in charge, each with his own work, and he ordered the doorkeeper to be alert. 35So keep on watching, because you don't know when the master of the house is coming—whether in the evening, at three o'clock in the morning,[n] or at dawn. 36Otherwise, he may come suddenly and find you asleep. 37I'm telling you what I'm telling everyone: Be alert!”

Yes, no one knows, not you, only The Father. And this "asleep" here is very misleading, this is a slumbering, He's saying, be diligent, be seeking His kingdom and His Righteousness, be about the father's business.


If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened (Matthew 24:15, 21-22).
Yes, and they have.
 

loveme1

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So you accept this part of the Bible I see.
 
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enochson

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So everyone is saved, Yeshua overcome sin, so why are we still here?

We are born of the holy spirit, and then must wait for everyone else to accept salvation?

So it is just a case of men all accepting salvation, and we all live happily ever after?

One problem the Bible does not support this.
Not at all your in the world but not of the world you are part of a new creation that is all ready here you like us where taught to look at the old and not the new.what happeans in the furture is just that future and has nothing to do with our belief here and now.
 
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So where are all those people that died since Yeshua our Messiah was sacrificed for our sin?




32“No one knows when that day or hour will come[m]—not the angels in heaven, not the Son, but only the Father. 33Be careful! Watch out! Because you don't know when the time will come. 34It's like a man who went on a trip. As he left home, he put his servants in charge, each with his own work, and he ordered the doorkeeper to be alert. 35So keep on watching, because you don't know when the master of the house is coming—whether in the evening, at three o'clock in the morning,[n] or at dawn. 36Otherwise, he may come suddenly and find you asleep. 37I'm telling you what I'm telling everyone: Be alert!”


If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened (Matthew 24:15, 21-22).
Sorry by the day has all ready past before the foundation of the world. TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION AND THE END OF THE OLD ADAM AND THE DAY OF THE NEW CREATION.
 

loveme1

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I'll stick to the truth.
Your itchy ears are being filled.


<< 2 Timothy 4 >>
King James Version
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
 
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enochson

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I'll stick to the truth.
Your itchy ears are being filled.


<< 2 Timothy 4 >>
King James Version
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
and that is what the church has done! Show me one verse where Paul wrote about hell as the church teaches it!
 

loveme1

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I am not under a church.

What you have been taught , I have no idea....

You will use the Bible, to support your idea.. And that is your choice.

The worst part of hell, would be not having eternal life with my Almighty Yahweh God.
Life is null, if i do not go home at the end.

Almighty Yahweh God was cutting back evil by killing them in the Old Testament, and if you do not understand that this was to allow his good people to grow for the harvest then you have not understood the Bible.

Good and evil are growing together...


3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

33Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



Who are the children of the wicked one?
 
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enochson

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You said it" seeing they will not see hearing they will not hear" and how do you know they are of that? when the quote parables to surport there doctrine.
 

loveme1

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It is talking about people not accepting or believing the truth, even if you tell them the truth, they refuse to hear or see it, it is being set free.... and await collection.

Your idea is that your are set free, you hear and see and that you are now in the kingdom of Yahweh God.

Where as i interpret it as, knowing the truth, seeing and hearing things that I did not accept before.
And awaiting the return of Yeshua our Messiah........ because if i do not accept his words about end times and his second return, I cannot accept his gift of salvation, because that is what he also spoke of. How you decide on what you will and will not believe is over my head.


Your idea is that you skip scripture, and have a understanding of what being in the kingdom of Yahweh God means is, here on earth... The Bible does not represent your idea, though you feel you support it with the verses that support your theory. Just another victim of man's philosophy.

Just as all the other religions have done....

You have been caught up into the new age movement... And you refuse to accept the other scripture that does not support your theory.

Just another victim of man's philosophy...........
 

loveme1

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I have looked into your theory, and it actual seems like satan is behind it. There are many that believe that the devil is helping them escape the "tyrant" which to me is not a tyrant but Almighty loving Yahweh God full of mercy and righteous...

The devil is working toward the universal reconciliation.. and using humans to try to:


12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.




They must convince all with their evil agenda, and anything goes for them.

So even if something sounds good, it does not mean it is because:



12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.



Do not let pride of being misguided stop you from coming back to the truth.
Read your Kjv Bible again and do not seek man's theory.
 
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It is talking about people not accepting or believing the truth, even if you tell them the truth, they refuse to hear or see it, it is being set free.... and await collection.

Your idea is that your are set free, you hear and see and that you are now in the kingdom of Yahweh God.

Where as i interpret it as, knowing the truth, seeing and hearing things that I did not accept before.
And awaiting the return of Yeshua our Messiah........ because if i do not accept his words about end times and his second return, I cannot accept his gift of salvation, because that is what he also spoke of. How you decide on what you will and will not believe is over my head.


Your idea is that you skip scripture, and have a understanding of what being in the kingdom of Yahweh God means is, here on earth... The Bible does not represent your idea, though you feel you support it with the verses that support your theory. Just another victim of man's philosophy.

Just as all the other religions have done....

You have been caught up into the new age movement... And you refuse to accept the other scripture that does not support your theory.

Just another victim of man's philosophy...........

What you don't realize is that Man did not teach us these things, they have come by The Revelation of Christ, I understand that it is over your head, at one time in my walk it would have been over my head too.

But with that being said, I plead with you to study the word Brimstone that The Lake of Fire burns with.

And pay close attention to what goes into The Lake, they are all things that are NOT the attributes of God, and they are burned up, but the man will be saved.


1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The Lake of Fire is a, Divine Purifying Fire, For our God is a consuming Fire.

Didn't Jesus choose Judas and he was a devil? Those that you see not saved in this present age, are being used of God, to fine tune the saints, for the Mystery of iniquity does already work, and for a Good purpose in God.

God is in Control of All things, even evil, don't you believe that?

Or do you see God as one who sits in the heavens just wringing His hands and shaking His head, going..........I wish they would believe in me, but I can't save them if they don't choose me,
I wish there was something I could do to prevent them from suffering so much, not mention one day they will be sorry, because when I throw them into a burning fire forever, yep, they will be sorry then.

But I just can't interfere with their Freewill even if it means saving them. How pitiful is that of our God?

This is the picture that most believe, why????? Because this is What men have taught, But The Spirit of Truth DOES NOT TEACH THIS.

I was just as deceived as you, and you have no idea how easy it is to fall into this Carnal way of thinking when you've heard it all your life.

I preached turn or burn with passion, and every part of my being believed it, because it was written.
But their is A story beneath the surface of The Word, like a watermark that only He can reveal.

If you want to see it, He will show it too you, because it is of no private interpretation.
But if your satisfied with those questions in your heart that has not been answered yet, you will remain blind to this, "God will be All in All".

Bring out any scripture that you believe talks about not all being saved, and I'm sure that me or Enochson, or Israel, will be able to shed some light on it, if you want.


Blessings
 

loveme1

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I do not need your help, for I have the Most High guiding me.

You are being misguided.......

The Bible is clear, and all you worry about is not all men being saved, you are not Yahweh God, and are trying to write the ending in your own heart to suit yourself.


Isaiah 13
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.


This verse alone, puts your theory to bed.
 
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I do not need your help, for I have the Most High guiding me.

You are being misguided.......

The Bible is clear, and all you worry about is not all men being saved, you are not Yahweh God, and are trying to write the ending in your own heart to suit yourself.


Isaiah 13
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.


This verse alone, puts your theory to bed.
Well, good for you, hey, we must all work out our own Salvation with fear and trembling right?

I hope there is no hard feelings, God bless you abundantly, and let it not be said that I didn't offer my hand in fellowship.

But since your satisfied with where your at, then so be it. But I'm not going anywhere I'll be right here waiting and watching.

Blessings
 
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...God is in Control of All things, even evil, don't you believe that?...
No.

1 John 5:19
(KJV) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

(NIV) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

(ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

(NKJV) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

(NRSV) We know that we are God's children, and that the whole world lies under the power of the evil one.

(ASV) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one.

(YLT) we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie;
 

loveme1

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Likewise :)

ALMIGHTY YAHWEH GOD worked out my salvation through YESHUA THE MESSIAH