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shroom2

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enochson said:
still no choose verse given by you. Here's one ALL DIE IN ADAM ( what choose did you have in that) ALL MADE ALIVE IN CHRIST (what choose is there in that). Or how about God will raise up who he will's and put down who he will's or all Israel will be saved. Opps god doesn't line up with understanding does He.Or does Jesus who said I CHOOSE YOU.
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Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Acts 2:
37) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


The doctrine of universal salvation is not true.
 
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It is not a law to choose to love the Lord thy God - in fact I think it is one of the great commandments given to us by Jesus. God sent his Son - whosoever believeth on the Son - shall be given everlasting life. My belief in his Son saves me and gives me everlasting life - with my heart I believe unto righteousness. Grace did not save me - grace is God's favor towards me - I am saved by faith (belief) in Jesus Christ.

For by grace (God's favor) are ye saved through (by) faith (belief) not of works lest any man should boast.
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oops - I need to correct Ephesians 2:8 - I combined 8 & 9

For by grace (God's favor) are ye saved through (by) faith (belief); and that not of yourselves (salvation): it is the gift of God (salvation).

Thanks.
 
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shroom2 said:
Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Acts 2:
37) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


The doctrine of universal salvation is not true.
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I had to stop because you havn't read the verse in front of romans 1o;9 which say's the word is near you in your heart and in your mouth Gee I wonder how it got there because you haven't confess it yet. god came in without your choose agian. and the other verses I don't see choose used in them, read's like a statement of fact to me.
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
oops - I need to correct Ephesians 2:8 - I combined 8 & 9

For by grace (God's favor) are ye saved through (by) faith (belief); and that not of yourselves (salvation): it is the gift of God (salvation).

Thanks.
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all three are a gift from God. I believe faith is the gift the others are facts.
 
2knowhim

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A.E.Knoch, "All in All"

He will be All in all. As each class is delivered from the domains of Death, God's great purpose becomes more and more apparent. When Christ arose from among the dead, the great Firstfruit, He was the Herald of a universal harvest. For in His future presence, all who are His will be "conformed to His body of glory," to reign with Him. But so long as He rules there must be insubjection, there must be those who do not find in God their All. Yet so perfect does the rule of God's Son become, so potent are His judgments, that at the consummation all are in perfect subjection. Death, the last enemy, is abolished, all are "made alive" and the last flicker of opposition has been snuffed out. Christ has accomplished the work His God had given Him to do. The Son of God has effaced all disaffection from the universe. And still God is not fully satisfied. He is not All in all.

His Son has brought the universe to His feet. His Son rules until sovereignty itself has become obsolete. Is not His Son eternally entitled to the dignities He has won? He would never have it so! For when He has attained the zenith of universal glory and dominion He lays it all at His Father s feet! The humble One He ever was, as witness Bethlehem and Calvary. And humility will be the brightest halo on His blessed head for all eternity. For He steps down from His high place and prestige to present His God with the prize for which His love had longed and labored. He presents Him with a universe subject to His will, satisfied with His wisdom, thrilled with His love, and takes His place at His Father's feet. Thus only can His God be.
 
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2knowhim said:
A.E.Knoch, "All in All"

He will be All in all. As each class is delivered from the domains of Death, God's great purpose becomes more and more apparent. When Christ arose from among the dead, the great Firstfruit, He was the Herald of a universal harvest. For in His future presence, all who are His will be "conformed to His body of glory," to reign with Him. But so long as He rules there must be insubjection, there must be those who do not find in God their All. Yet so perfect does the rule of God's Son become, so potent are His judgments, that at the consummation all are in perfect subjection. Death, the last enemy, is abolished, all are "made alive" and the last flicker of opposition has been snuffed out. Christ has accomplished the work His God had given Him to do. The Son of God has effaced all disaffection from the universe. And still God is not fully satisfied. He is not All in all.

His Son has brought the universe to His feet. His Son rules until sovereignty itself has become obsolete. Is not His Son eternally entitled to the dignities He has won? He would never have it so! For when He has attained the zenith of universal glory and dominion He lays it all at His Father s feet! The humble One He ever was, as witness Bethlehem and Calvary. And humility will be the brightest halo on His blessed head for all eternity. For He steps down from His high place and prestige to present His God with the prize for which His love had longed and labored. He presents Him with a universe subject to His will, satisfied with His wisdom, thrilled with His love, and takes His place at His Father's feet. Thus only can His God be.
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Yes, all men shall be raised from the dead (made alive) but only those who are His will be conformed to His body of glory.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God and he shall be my son. But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominable and murderers and whoremongers and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev. 21:7,8
 
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Yes, all men shall be raised from the dead (made alive) but only those who are His will be conformed to His body of glory.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God and he shall be my son. But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominable and murderers and whoremongers and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev. 21:7,8
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The word your quoting "condemned" is Judged,........Big difference.

Notice it says "Their Part"?

Please pick up a concordance and look at the words in the Greek, they do not mean what our
English words do.

To be made alive, is to be "Quickened" do you understand what this word means?

It means to put on immortality.

What do you think? that they are raise in the old flesh body that they had?

Do you understand the difference between Breathe of Life, and The Life of The Holy Spirit?
I have my doubts that you do. Which really saddens me.
 
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What do you universalists say about the fact that the same word for eternal (aionion) punishment is also used for eternal (aionion) life in Matt.25:46?

Eternal life isn't really eternal then?
 
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2knowhim said:
The word your quoting "condemned" is Judged,........Big difference.

Notice it says "Their Part"?

Please pick up a concordance and look at the words in the Greek, they do not mean what our
English words do.

To be made alive, is to be "Quickened" do you understand what this word means?

It means to put on immortality.

What do you think? that they are raise in the old flesh body that they had?

Do you understand the difference between Breathe of Life, and The Life of The Holy Spirit?
I have my doubts that you do. Which really saddens me.
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I don't think you understand what you believe. God's word is loaded with scripture stating men must believe to be saved. You cannot seem to see it.

Universal salvation is false doctrine.
 
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enochson said:
I had to stop because you havn't read the verse in front of romans 1o;9 which say's the word is near you in your heart and in your mouth Gee I wonder how it got there because you haven't confess it yet. god came in without your choose agian. and the other verses I don't see choose used in them, read's like a statement of fact to me.
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Then you're not reading it right.

Every man has free will, and can choose to believe what he wants.
 
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tribesman said:
What do you universalists say about the fact that the same word for eternal (aionion) punishment is also used for eternal (aionion) life in Matt.25:46?

Eternal life isn't really eternal then?
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That's exactly correct.

aionion Life, is just that, In this Age.

There is no such thing as Eternal as we use the term, "to live forever"

It is used in the sense of "Quality" NOT "Quantity"

Only God is Eternal, having no Beginning and no End.

But we have a beginning and an End.

Now, with that being said, Through Aionion Life, we put on immortality.
But that is still not of ourselves, it is The Life of Christ.
 
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shroom2 said:
You're right, I don't.

Universal salvation is false doctrine.
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You're right, shroom2. This whole thread is full of heresy. According to this teaching Christ had no need to go to the cross and all of the commands to believe on the Lord Jesus or perish mean nothing.
In fact, 2knowhim believes that even satan will be saved. I think that says enough. I hope no one here is buying into this nonsense.
God bless!!!!

Tom
 
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2knowhim said:
That's exactly correct.

aionion Life, is just that, In this Age.

There is no such thing as Eternal as we use the term, "to live forever"

It is used in the sense of "Quality" NOT "Quantity"

Only God is Eternal, having no Beginning and no End.

But we have a beginning and an End.

Now, with that being said, Through Aionion Life, we put on immortality.
But that is still not of ourselves, it is The Life of Christ.
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Do you mean that eternal life and immortality are two different things?

How will this immortality manifest itself? Resurrection and a new creation?
 
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Tombo said:
You're right, shroom2. This whole thread is full of heresy. According to this teaching Christ had no need to go to the cross and all of the commands to believe on the Lord Jesus or perish mean nothing.
In fact, 2knowhim believes that even satan will be saved. I think that says enough. I hope no one here is buying into this nonsense.
God bless!!!!

Tom
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I have never said that Tom, and you know it, paste and copy it if I have.

What I said was All that is not of God's attributes will be burned up.
 
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2knowhim said:
I have never said that Tom, and you know it, paste and copy it if I have.

What I said was All that is not of God's attributes will be burned up.
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According to your teaching, do you believe that Satan and the fallen angels will be saved?

Tom
 
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tribesman said:
Do you mean that eternal life and immortality are two different things?

How will this immortality manifest itself? Resurrection and a new creation?
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Yes, they are, your not illiterate, do your own study on the words.

Aionion Life , means Age during

Immortality, means deathlessness

He is The Resurrection and The Life, and we are a new Creation in Him.


Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

So in answer to your second question, to the one who believes, it will be made manifest.
 
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2knowhim said:
...Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

So in answer to your second question, to the one who believes, it will be made manifest.
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Again you post scripture that contradicts your doctrine of universal salvation.

he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die
 
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