USURPING AUTHORITY
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What lies refuge?
Look at the plain words of Scripture:
"I SUFFER not a woman to TEACH AUTHORITY (over a man)..."
This verse does not say that woman is not to teach a man about God, for crying out loud.
*green gives ohzone a hankie (with bulgars already on it).
Oh, I was JUST kidding, again, just kidding, zoners
The tissue i gave you even had aloe embedded in its very fibers of its being
OK, where was I???
Hmmm, yes, who is teaching authority over who? What are you doing when you teach 'authority,' you are teaching, as anj said, 'domineering,' or, 'domination,' or, how about this word, 'superiority.'
OK, let's stop there, are we in agreement that we've swallowed up a true definition of that first part of 1 Tim. 2:12
Good, then on to the second.
"I suffer not a woman to.....or HAVE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN BUT TO BE SILENT."
Again, am i truly spinning this, am I telling a lie, Paul is plainly saying that he SUFFERS (does not allow, strong dislike, not just 'dislike') not a woman to SWALLOW up, usurp authority over a man. Again, she is not to have domination over a man, it's almost saying the same thing except one is teaching they are in control (false teaching of what the Word says) and one is just plain having control over a man, 'You obey me.'
THIS is what suffers poor ole Paul, who is livid at the men for not lifting holy hands and praying everywhere, or, at least, pretty upset and the woman are not exactly getting kind words because they are helping hold the men back from being led by God's AUTHORITY.
Oooh, think about that last sentence a minute why don't you . The Lord leads.
What lies refuge?
Look at the plain words of Scripture:
"I SUFFER not a woman to TEACH AUTHORITY (over a man)..."
This verse does not say that woman is not to teach a man about God, for crying out loud.
*green gives ohzone a hankie (with bulgars already on it).
Oh, I was JUST kidding, again, just kidding, zoners
The tissue i gave you even had aloe embedded in its very fibers of its being OK, where was I???
Hmmm, yes, who is teaching authority over who? What are you doing when you teach 'authority,' you are teaching, as anj said, 'domineering,' or, 'domination,' or, how about this word, 'superiority.'
OK, let's stop there, are we in agreement that we've swallowed up a true definition of that first part of 1 Tim. 2:12
Good, then on to the second.
"I suffer not a woman to.....or HAVE AUTHORITY OVER A MAN BUT TO BE SILENT."
Again, am i truly spinning this, am I telling a lie, Paul is plainly saying that he SUFFERS (does not allow, strong dislike, not just 'dislike') not a woman to SWALLOW up, usurp authority over a man. Again, she is not to have domination over a man, it's almost saying the same thing except one is teaching they are in control (false teaching of what the Word says) and one is just plain having control over a man, 'You obey me.'
THIS is what suffers poor ole Paul, who is livid at the men for not lifting holy hands and praying everywhere, or, at least, pretty upset and the woman are not exactly getting kind words because they are helping hold the men back from being led by God's AUTHORITY.
Oooh, think about that last sentence a minute why don't you .
The Lord leads.
1. I posted that in your quote window, but I said it to the readers.
2. It seems that I've told you a hundred times, I am a Pentecostal, not a charismatic.
3. I think the reason you love trashing the charismatics so much is because you were once one yourself. Everybody has a bad church or two in their organization. I believe you came out of one of these spiritually damaged. Perhaps you don't realize that psychologically you harp on them all the time. Don't feel bad, you're not the only one that's had that problem with a church.
2. It seems that I've told you a hundred times, I am a Pentecostal, not a charismatic.
3. I think the reason you love trashing the charismatics so much is because you were once one yourself. Everybody has a bad church or two in their organization. I believe you came out of one of these spiritually damaged. Perhaps you don't realize that psychologically you harp on them all the time. Don't feel bad, you're not the only one that's had that problem with a church.
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Ohzone, we're all in 'this' together, so, why tear us apart ????
Trials and tribulations we will ALL have, but He who is in you has overcome the world. Now, you can believe it's God, or, Jesus, from the bible is telling you this, it is, no doubt, it IS, but, He IS in you, living, breathing, and, sharper, than any two-edged sword. Sharper too, as in smarter. God is smarter than all, by virtue of the fact He knows our thoughts but we, NONE of us can know His. He is our AUTHORITY
Trials and tribulations we will ALL have, but He who is in you has overcome the world. Now, you can believe it's God, or, Jesus, from the bible is telling you this, it is, no doubt, it IS, but, He IS in you, living, breathing, and, sharper, than any two-edged sword. Sharper too, as in smarter. God is smarter than all, by virtue of the fact He knows our thoughts but we, NONE of us can know His. He is our AUTHORITY
steveStephen?
Remember, "Blessed are those who are persecuted, for they...."
I know, i know, persed by fellow believers, really raws my hide, too
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Ok, I was typing on a small phone screen earlier and typing those little numbers annoys me almost as much as ohzone does on a daily basis, well, without the persecution, anyway. OH< WAIT! That's stevestephen getting 'that.'
And, not just from ohzone, hang, brother, on the wings of Him who made you, who carries you, carries you, carries you afar to a beautiful place of understanding after having waited on Him to first come and pick you up
Okee, so, yes, what was being said is: How can a woman pastor have authority over me? How can she ever even teach authority over me?
The next woman that teaches she's in authority over me I am going to drop kick to China
Now, listen, humor aside, what about a woman pastor speaking of God's Word to you, now, shhhh, quiet, I want you to hear this ! Listen up
Who is revealing the Word's truths to you? That woman pastor (or, man pastor, for that matter), or, He who reveals ALL truth to you. Ohzone about said it, and, stopped sHort....
The "H" starting word, c'mon, you can say it, get in the zone, autozone. Oh, wait, that's not it, how about get into John 16:13 and you will see the 'H' come to life, you will see the Spirit of truth come ALIVE in your life, and, speak softly, yet, more cutting than any other thing/way/person ever could. Sharper !!!
Green, you are so sharp, sometimes, cutting, even. Mean with your authority !
Am I? I have no authority over YOU just like you have NO authority over me. My God, and, my Lord, NOT my pastor has authority over me. My pastor has zip, nada, zilch authority over me. None !!! Never has and guess what! Never will.
God ! God ! God !
who is the same yesterday, as today, as forevermore, He ALONE has COMPLETE and UTTER sovereign authority over my life. The Lord leads. Follow Him . "...you follow Me." John 21:22
Sorry, too of all that garble of that quote one more time, I probably made ohzone's brain spin into the twilight zone. Hey, that just might be just the best place for it ! Ohzone, you know i love you, persecution and all, "they (you) know not what they (you) do, I forgive you, of course, for that." Boy, though, man oh man, is there a lot of forgiving I am always doing for you of others on here, ohzone.
Isn't there a limit, God !!
"No, green, forgive them, 70x7, and, if you don't forgive them, I won't forgive you."
Oooh, Ok, got it, God
Remember, "Blessed are those who are persecuted, for they...."
I know, i know, persed by fellow believers, really raws my hide, too
________
Ok, I was typing on a small phone screen earlier and typing those little numbers annoys me almost as much as ohzone does on a daily basis, well, without the persecution, anyway. OH< WAIT! That's stevestephen getting 'that.'
And, not just from ohzone, hang, brother, on the wings of Him who made you, who carries you, carries you, carries you afar to a beautiful place of understanding after having waited on Him to first come and pick you up
Okee, so, yes, what was being said is: How can a woman pastor have authority over me? How can she ever even teach authority over me?
The next woman that teaches she's in authority over me I am going to drop kick to China
Now, listen, humor aside, what about a woman pastor speaking of God's Word to you, now, shhhh, quiet, I want you to hear this ! Listen up
Who is revealing the Word's truths to you? That woman pastor (or, man pastor, for that matter), or, He who reveals ALL truth to you. Ohzone about said it, and, stopped sHort....
The "H" starting word, c'mon, you can say it, get in the zone, autozone. Oh, wait, that's not it, how about get into John 16:13 and you will see the 'H' come to life, you will see the Spirit of truth come ALIVE in your life, and, speak softly, yet, more cutting than any other thing/way/person ever could. Sharper !!!
Green, you are so sharp, sometimes, cutting, even. Mean with your authority !
Am I? I have no authority over YOU just like you have NO authority over me. My God, and, my Lord, NOT my pastor has authority over me. My pastor has zip, nada, zilch authority over me. None !!! Never has and guess what! Never will.
God ! God ! God !
who is the same yesterday, as today, as forevermore, He ALONE has COMPLETE and UTTER sovereign authority over my life. The Lord leads. Follow Him . "...you follow Me." John 21:22
Sorry, too of all that garble of that quote one more time, I probably made ohzone's brain spin into the twilight zone. Hey, that just might be just the best place for it !
Ohzone, you know i love you, persecution and all, "they (you) know not what they (you) do, I forgive you, of course, for that." Boy, though, man oh man, is there a lot of forgiving I am always doing for you of others on here, ohzone. Isn't there a limit, God !!
"No, green, forgive them, 70x7, and, if you don't forgive them, I won't forgive you."
Oooh, Ok, got it, God
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apples and apples Stephen.
uh....nooooooo.........never was....ever.
i attended a Pentecostal church every 2nd sunday for 3 months when i was in Christian rehab. i had to.
i was never a member, and never once thought any of it was Biblical.
then years later.....i stumbled unknowningly into a Toronto (Cursing) Blessing church and got a kundalini spirit passed to me and had to fast and pray for deliverance.
that's all.
plus tons of visits to watch in person, and document.
and 11 years and endless hours of research.
so...ya. you're wrong. i weren't never one.
nice try.
it wasn't the church, it's the spirits in it.
i don't psychologically harp on it dear friend.
i stand against it cuz it ain't right.
so, we're good?
apples and apples Stephen.
uh....nooooooo.........never was....ever.
i attended a Pentecostal church every 2nd sunday for 3 months when i was in Christian rehab. i had to.
i was never a member, and never once thought any of it was Biblical.
then years later.....i stumbled unknowningly into a Toronto (Cursing) Blessing church and got a kundalini spirit passed to me and had to fast and pray for deliverance.
that's all.
plus tons of visits to watch in person, and document.
and 11 years and endless hours of research.
so...ya. you're wrong. i weren't never one.
nice try.
it wasn't the church, it's the spirits in it.
i don't psychologically harp on it dear friend.
i stand against it cuz it ain't right.
so, we're good?
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Toronto Blessing, a term coined by British newspapers, describes the revival and resulting phenomena that began in January 1994 at the Toronto Airport Vineyard church, now the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (TACF), a neocharismatic evangelical Christianchurch located in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.[SUP][1][/SUP] Participants in the conferences and meetings sponsored by TACF have reported healings, incidents of personal transformation and a greater awareness of God's love. It has also been referred to as the Father's blessing, the Anointing, the Awakening, the Renewal, the River and the Fire.
Toldja.
The Toronto Blessing, a term coined by British newspapers, describes the revival and resulting phenomena that began in January 1994 at the Toronto Airport Vineyard church, now the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (TACF), a neocharismatic evangelical Christianchurch located in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.[SUP][1][/SUP] Participants in the conferences and meetings sponsored by TACF have reported healings, incidents of personal transformation and a greater awareness of God's love. It has also been referred to as the Father's blessing, the Anointing, the Awakening, the Renewal, the River and the Fire.
Toldja.
huh?
please....are you able to just communicate what is on your mind?
told me what?
i said i:
a) attended a run-of-the-mill pentecostal church with tongues and words from God and stuff.
b) later...fell into a TO thing
let's try this...
1) do you believe the Toronto Blessing was of God?
2) are you trying to say the TO thing did NOT come out of the Pentecostal movement?
that would be a silly assertion since i can post fifty miles of text that says it is the same thing.
please....are you able to just communicate what is on your mind?
told me what?
i said i:
a) attended a run-of-the-mill pentecostal church with tongues and words from God and stuff.
b) later...fell into a TO thing
let's try this...
1) do you believe the Toronto Blessing was of God?
2) are you trying to say the TO thing did NOT come out of the Pentecostal movement?
that would be a silly assertion since i can post fifty miles of text that says it is the same thing.
Do you believe that when Paul persecuted Christians and breathed out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord in Acts 9:1, that those things were of God? If not then can you explain what these scriptures mean to the believer and how they are to understand them. Did those things that happened and had fallen upon Job, were they of God or not. I don't think you would have lasted a week in the church of Corinth, but did God raise up that church and redeem those who were part of it?
2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes,that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes,that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
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Where does the Charismatic movement have it's origins but from the Pentecostal movement ? Essentially one and the same. Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement are both identifiable by their belief in the latter-day outpouring of the Holy Spirit, much like the day of Pentecost. If you believe for one second that they are "different", you haven't a clue of those things that you discuss here.
um....oh....okay....why is that?
do you....uh.....have any real reason for thinking that?
i mean....not saying....you're wrong....just....wondering
*cough*
since you're involved, please answer question if you are willing and able:
1) do you believe the Toronto Blessing was of God?
sub-questions for precision:
was it all the holy Spirit pouring out actual blessings and anointings and stuff?
was it good gifts and good things from the Holy Spirit?
etc etc etc.
(not asking if it has an ultimate purpose, for it most certainly does)
1 Cor.11:18-19 "For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions (heresies) exist among you; and in part, I believe it. For there must also be heresies among you, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you." Paul’s writings here and in Galatians 5:20 explains That God’s purpose in these factions makes the proved ones become manifest. "These haireseis are a magnet attracting unsound and unsettled minds." (Findlay)
What is Heresy and what is a heresy hunter? < click
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on 1 timothy 2:11-14 regarding women refuting false teaching...
i cannot learn...in silence or otherwise...from a false teacher...
i am clearly not teaching when i contend against those who are unteachable...
i am not usurping authority over a man if the man has by teaching falsely forfeited any authority he ever had...
the woman was deceived and so we are being careful not to be deceived again by the evil one who is behind all false teaching...
i cannot learn...in silence or otherwise...from a false teacher...
i am clearly not teaching when i contend against those who are unteachable...
i am not usurping authority over a man if the man has by teaching falsely forfeited any authority he ever had...
the woman was deceived and so we are being careful not to be deceived again by the evil one who is behind all false teaching...