Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

[Nehemiah6]

Oh how I wish people would go back to the Hebrew and realise that yome means a period of time, and adamah means man or mankind regardless of gender.

The English translation is more than adequate and as noted by EG in post 179, CONTEXT DETERMINES MEANING.

1. Evening and morning establishes the bounds of a LITERAL 24 HOUR DAY

2. Adam becomes the name of the first man (even though it applies to mankind in general), just as Eve becomes the name of the first woman.

GENESIS 5
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

So it was not mankind that lived for 930 years, but the first man Adam. So are you now prepared to accept what Scripture says, or will you persist in your errors?

 

[Dino246]

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Obviously we are not intended to "toss out" any scripture, but rather to correctly understand it. Oh how I wish people would go back to the Hebrew and realise that yome means a period of time, and adamah means man or mankind regardless of gender.

Thank you.

I am well aware that 'yom' refers to a period of time, not strictly a 24-hour day. However, context frames the usage, and it is clear that the context indicates a series of regular days in Genesis 1. I'm not aware of any questioning of their length prior to about 1800, when Hutton and Lyell started positing long ages for geological history (both with blatant atheistic bent).

 

[Waggles]

All mankind came from Adam and Eve.

No
1: not scriptural - Adam was formed not created on the eighth day
2: biologically unrealistic - as we do not believe in the myths of biological evolution then it is pretty obvious that Negroes,
Asians, Indians (South Asia), American Indians, Persians: are not descendants of Adam and Eve.
The peoples of the Middle East are of their gene pool > Semites (including the Arabs) and Europeans.

Adam and Eve were placed in a garden - a land area separated from the rest of the world - to begin the lineage and history
that would lead to Noah, and to Abraham, and to Moses and the Law > Israel > the Messiah Jesus Christ.
In this story there are many parallels to the story of Jesus, the gospel and the church.

 

[Dino246]

No
1: not scriptural - Adam was formed not created on the eighth day
2: biologically unrealistic - as we do not believe in the myths of biological evolution then it is pretty obvious that Negroes,
Asians, Indians (South Asia), American Indians, Persians: are not descendants of Adam and Eve.
The peoples of the Middle East are of their gene pool > Semites (including the Arabs) and Europeans.

On what basis do you assert this?

I strongly suggest you rethink this, for if they are not descendants of Adam, they are ineligible for salvation in Christ!

 

[Waggles]

for if they are not descendants of Adam, they are ineligible for salvation in Christ!

I think you need to re-examine your doctrine.
Jesus did away with the lineage only covenant of the OT - children of Abraham - and now the gospel and salvation is open
and available to the whole of creation: Galatians and Ephesians speak to this.
(DRB) And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world and preach the gospel to every creature.
(ESV) And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
(Weymouth) Then He said to them, "Go the whole world over, and proclaim the Good News to all mankind.
(YLT) and he said to them, 'Having gone to all the world, proclaim the good news to all the creation;
Mark 16:15

Other races of mankind did not evolve from Adam and Eve over a mere 6,000 years.

 

[UnderGrace]

Man? Man is the species created by God but Adam was the first modern man with a pre-frontal cortex which makes us a unique newer creation.

Do you think primates did not have a pre-frontal cortex at creation?

What would account for them having one now....evolution?

 

[Wansvic]

No
1: not scriptural - Adam was formed not created on the eighth day
2: biologically unrealistic - as we do not believe in the myths of biological evolution then it is pretty obvious that Negroes,
Asians, Indians (South Asia), American Indians, Persians: are not descendants of Adam and Eve.
The peoples of the Middle East are of their gene pool > Semites (including the Arabs) and Europeans.

Adam and Eve were placed in a garden - a land area separated from the rest of the world - to begin the lineage and history
that would lead to Noah, and to Abraham, and to Moses and the Law > Israel > the Messiah Jesus Christ.
In this story there are many parallels to the story of Jesus, the gospel and the church.

We are definitely all descendants of Adam and Eve. I highly recommend a great book that touches on this very subject: "One Blood The Biblical Answer to Racism" by Ken Ham, Carl Wieland, Donn Batten. Excerpt from book, "In this astonishing book, the authors help us see that "racism" is really an evolutionary concept which can be defeated only though a proper biblical understanding. By exposing the scientific facts and philosophies behind ethnic conflicts, One Blood brings us all together."

The book was written in 2000. I located copies on Amazon. Well worth the purchase. A real eye opener.

 

[UnderGrace]

I think you need to re-examine your doctrine.
Jesus did away with the lineage only covenant of the OT - children of Abraham - and now the gospel and salvation is open
and available to the whole of creation: Galatians and Ephesians speak to this.
(DRB) And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world and preach the gospel to every creature.
(ESV) And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
(Weymouth) Then He said to them, "Go the whole world over, and proclaim the Good News to all mankind.
(YLT) and he said to them, 'Having gone to all the world, proclaim the good news to all the creation;
Mark 16:15

Other races of mankind did not evolve from Adam and Eve over a mere 6,000 years.

Are you referring to Neanderthals?
They are not regarded as human though just a separate species.

The genetics is quite definitive that all people share one female ancestor.

 

[Waggles]

13 Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
15 Then the LORD said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him.
16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the LORD and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.
Genesis 5:
Adam and Eve > Cain > Abel > Seth > other sons and daughters ...

 

[Waggles]

The genetics is quite definitive that all people share one female ancestor.

So in 6,000 years how to we get from Adam and Eve to all the other races and varieties of human kind.
And no I ain't referring to neanderthals, but real modern human beings.
Genesis 1 is a creation of human beings.

 

[Dino246]

I think you need to re-examine your doctrine.
Jesus did away with the lineage only covenant of the OT - children of Abraham - and now the gospel and salvation is open
and available to the whole of creation: Galatians and Ephesians speak to this.
(DRB) And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world and preach the gospel to every creature.
(ESV) And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
(Weymouth) Then He said to them, "Go the whole world over, and proclaim the Good News to all mankind.
(YLT) and he said to them, 'Having gone to all the world, proclaim the good news to all the creation;
Mark 16:15

Other races of mankind did not evolve from Adam and Eve over a mere 6,000 years.

Other races? There is only one: the human race! Secular genetic study confirms that we are all descendants of one man and, separately, one woman. Biblical testimony declares the same: Noah (the one man) and Eve (the one woman). I've no idea where you get your ideas about evolutionary limitations, but it ain't from Scripture, and it ain't from biology. The following 9-minute video gives an overview of the issues.

 

[UnderGrace]

So in 6,000 years how to we get from Adam and Eve to all the other races and varieties of human kind.
And no I ain't referring to neanderthals, but real modern human beings.
Genesis 1 is a creation of human beings.

Well I think that the old earth theory (not gap theory) is the one that best meets both science and scripture, the earth is much older than 6000 years and people have been around for much, much longer than 6000 years.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Genesis 1 is a creation of human beings.

If by that you mean that the book of Genesis is NOT divinely inspired and a creation of human beings, you are siding with the unbelieving Higher Critics and apostates. Chapter 1 does not stand alone. The entire book is one unit. You can either accept it as the Word of God, or reject the entire Bible. There's no middle ground.

But since the Lord Jesus Christ confirmed the validity of the Genesis account, then you should abandon that false belief. Genesis 1 (and following) is a revelation from God, since only God was present at creation. And it is BY FAITH that we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God.

So what do we learn from the Creation Account (which is solidly confirmed in the Ten Commandments, which were written with the finger of God):

1. The entire universe was created in six literal 24 hour days OUT OF NOTHING.

2. (a) all living creatures on land, (b) Adam, and (c) Eve were all created on the sixth day.

3. Genesis 2 expands the narrative regarding the creation of man and woman as well as the creation of the Garden of Eden.

4. God rested on the seventh day from all His creative works. Therefore He blessed, sanctified, and hallowed the seventh day.

5. This is fully confirmed in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8-11):

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

In view of this the earth is no more that approximately 6,000 years old, even though God has given many natural features the appearance of an older age. We should also remember that the Genesis Flood affected the topography of the earth tremendously. See The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris.

 

[Waggles]

the earth is much older than 6000 years and people have been around for much, much longer than 6000 years.

Yes agreed
but Adam was formed 6,000 years ago.

 

[Waggles]

1.The entire universe was created in six literal 24 hour days OUT OF NOTHING.

2. (a) all living creatures on land, (b) Adam, and (c) Eve were all created on the sixth day.

Simply do not agree.
Genesis 1 is a very different account and sequence to genesis 2 -
and there is no doctrinal reason to believe in young earth creation.
references to the sabbath day as a seventh day can be a temporal expression of the creation timescale for our earthly reality.

 

[DeighAnn]

On what basis do you assert this?

I strongly suggest you rethink this, for if they are not descendants of Adam, they are ineligible for salvation in Christ!

Whomsoever will

 

[DeighAnn]

As I am sure not everyone can see, this is for those willing to:

God may have called the evening and the morning the first day, though He didn't give it a specific "hour" period. It wasn't until the 4th day that "days and years" were given.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Genesis 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 

[DeighAnn]

Why doesn't this apply?
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Waggles]

The following 9-minute video gives an overview of the issues.

Very one dimensional - melanin is not the foundation of human variety - human groups have much more variety in their
biological differences than just melanin content
and there are humans that are truly black and humans that are truly white
but human variety is more than external appearances.

And salvation is not dependent on there being only one human group all descended from Adam and Eve.

 

[Dino246]

Very one dimensional - melanin is not the foundation of human variety - human groups have much more variety in their
biological differences than just melanin content
and there are humans that are truly black and humans that are truly white
but human variety is more than external appearances.

And salvation is not dependent on there being only one human group all descended from Adam and Eve.

There are much longer videos that address the issue more broadly, but I don't see the point of sending you to several hour-long videos to make my point. You're able to do your own research.

I'll do some more of my own on the salvation issue, though I'm pretty sure already.