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elf3 said:
Um the faith is from God it's not our work but the work of God. The Works of Christ were from God not our works. The grace given us is from God not our work.
You are twisting the word of God according to what someone else teaches.
You are twisting the word of God according to what someone else teaches.
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. Eze.18:32
God tells sinners to repent, because He has no pleasure when they die. Why is God telling sinners to repent, when they can't repent unless He first bestows them with faith? Anyone?
God tells sinners to repent, because He has no pleasure when they die. Why is God telling sinners to repent, when they can't repent unless He first bestows them with faith? Anyone?
I see the frustration is setting in by the impossible position your man-made faith only theology put you in.
But SeaBass, you would add in the idol of water-baptism. But tell me, do you hide behind a non-translation of baptizo? Do you mean immersion? If so, kindly answer this question:
What happens to all the Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, and Episcopalians [& other denominationals] who happen to trust Christ as Savior, but were sprinkled as babies and die without being actually being water-baptized (as defined by dipping, dunking, immersing)?
Are they roasted in the Lake of Fire with weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth?
Originally posted by tribesman,
Fact is: God choose the nation of Israel before all other nations...He excluded the pagan nations from His sovereign choice and choose Israel only.
Fact is: God choose the nation of Israel before all other nations...He excluded the pagan nations from His sovereign choice and choose Israel only.
Turn and live? I don't want you to perish? Why will you die? Would anyone who believes God didn't want Israel to repent please explain God's apparent insanity?
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. Eze.18:32
God tells sinners to repent, because He has no pleasure when they die.
Why is God telling sinners to repent, when they can't repent unless He first bestows them with faith? Anyone?
God tells sinners to repent, because He has no pleasure when they die.
Why is God telling sinners to repent, when they can't repent unless He first bestows them with faith? Anyone?
Say unto them,*As*I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? Eze.33:11
Turn and live? I don't want you to perish? Why will you die? Would anyone who believes God didn't want Israel to repent please explain God's apparent insanity?
Turn and live? I don't want you to perish? Why will you die? Would anyone who believes God didn't want Israel to repent please explain God's apparent insanity?
To you it has been granted to believe.
Interesting that the text does not say:
"God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever has eternal life should not perish, but believe in Him."
God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever has eternal life should not perish, but believe in Him."
For the same reason he tells them to come to him, to believe, or to be perfect, when they cannot without his enablement.
And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this*man*hath done? Jn.7:31
Some believed because of the miracles He did. Make sense?
Originally posted by Elin,
To show her spiritual powerlessness and that she couldn't.
To show her spiritual powerlessness and that she couldn't.
"The Lord is...longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Pe.3:9
Originally posted by Elin,
What is dreadfully wrong is your lack of Scriptural understanding.
What is dreadfully wrong is your lack of Scriptural understanding.
Faith is inherent in children. If you tell a child God exists they will believe you. Children believe whatever they're told. How are you unaware of this?
Originally posted by Elin,
Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black
Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black
Howbeit I believed not their words, until I came, and mine eyes had seen*it: 2Cr.9:6
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed...Jn.20::29
The Queen of Sheba...came...to hear the wisdom of Solomon....a greater than Solomon is here. Lk.11:31
God gives people reasons to believe. He doesn't force us to believe. Make sense?
C
14 “And yet, who am I and who are my people, that we should retain power to make voluntary offerings like this? For everything is from you, and out of your own hand we have given to you. (1 Chronicles 29:14) King David had it right! Everything we have and everything we are and everything we ever hope and pray to be is from God!!!