What does the Law REALLY say?
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A picture of spiritual defilement is not spiritual defilement itself,
as a picture of Christ's sacrifice in the OT sacrificial system is not the sacrifice of Christ itself.
But as a picture of spiritual defilement, ceremonial defilement was to be purified/cleansed,
to teach the nature of and remedy for the spiritual defilement of sin.
It is not a physical cleanliness and health law, but a law picturing and teaching the nature of
and remedy for spiritual cleanliness and health.
as a picture of Christ's sacrifice in the OT sacrificial system is not the sacrifice of Christ itself.
But as a picture of spiritual defilement, ceremonial defilement was to be purified/cleansed,
to teach the nature of and remedy for the spiritual defilement of sin.
It is not a physical cleanliness and health law, but a law picturing and teaching the nature of
and remedy for spiritual cleanliness and health.
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So you speculate that the rule for human waste only applies to a military camp even though it doesn't say that, but you won't speculate what the logical outcome of that is. Interesting.
That's fine. This conversation doesn't really interest me anymore and there doesn't appear to be much reasoning with you.
Next topic.....
That's fine. This conversation doesn't really interest me anymore and there doesn't appear to be much reasoning with you.
Next topic.....
Please remember it is not a matter of salvation, it is a cleanliness/health Law.
The only way it becomes a salvation issue is if one refuses out of a bad attitude...
"You are not going to tell me what to do, God. I'll do whatever I want."
At this point, it is not the cleanliness/health Law that is at issue, it is a rebellious, carnal attitude that is spiteful toward God.
The only way it becomes a salvation issue is if one refuses out of a bad attitude...
"You are not going to tell me what to do, God. I'll do whatever I want."
At this point, it is not the cleanliness/health Law that is at issue, it is a rebellious, carnal attitude that is spiteful toward God.
"Following God doesn't mean keeping a set of rules strictly for the purpose of keeping those rules. Following God means following His Spirit." ...OK, I'm confused again... would the spirit tell a person not to keep those rules?... The Levitical priests and Jesus lived in an observant society... also, Jesus had some very interesting interpretations or alterations of the law... I think...
And the remedy for spiritual cleanliness does not include a sacrifice?
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
What you are saying is unscriptural, you are saying that there is remission without shedding of blood. The truth is that it is cleanliness/health Law.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
What you are saying is unscriptural, you are saying that there is remission without shedding of blood. The truth is that it is cleanliness/health Law.
What do you think God's heart is? What do you think the Holy Spirit would say?
Is better to isolate yourself from everyone else just so you avoid the possibility of becoming unclean?
Or is it better to do the best you can, trust God through His cleansing of Jesus' sacrifice, and minister to the lost?
Yes, the Levitical Priests lived in a strictly observant society, but they still came in contact with realms of unclean. What cleansing did God offer them?
No, Jesus did not live in a strictly observant society. What manner of cleansing did Jesus have, and offer to others?
Yes, He had interesting interpretations of the Law and expanded on them.
No, He did not alter them.
Is better to isolate yourself from everyone else just so you avoid the possibility of becoming unclean?
Or is it better to do the best you can, trust God through His cleansing of Jesus' sacrifice, and minister to the lost?
Yes, the Levitical Priests lived in a strictly observant society, but they still came in contact with realms of unclean. What cleansing did God offer them?
No, Jesus did not live in a strictly observant society. What manner of cleansing did Jesus have, and offer to others?
Yes, He had interesting interpretations of the Law and expanded on them.
No, He did not alter them.
"It doesn't say cast into the Lake of Fire, it says the person who does this washes himself and will be unclean until evening." ... right, and what it seems to me, was that the people I talked to didn't really seem to have much zeal about it... kind of, well, when I get home tonight, I'll take a shower and change my clothes like I normally do... wash the clothes on the weekend, no big deal...
i like the deut verses... in v.12,
Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad...
I think this will be very difficult to practice if you live in a usa city... not hard if you live in a community of like minded folks, though... everyone carrying their paddles around...
Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad...
I think this will be very difficult to practice if you live in a usa city... not hard if you live in a community of like minded folks, though... everyone carrying their paddles around...
When I shared the Word while in the Rocy Mountains I would make my camp well away from public camping in the forest. It was natural for me to dig an out of the way trench for personal use, and to cover my business after. Why would anyone want to leave their waste exposed in a pristine area? Anyone who would is thoughtless to all that has been given to man and beast in this age. I did now the law of the soldiers of Israel to do this, but this was not my motive for doing it; it was natural. The laws do become our nature, but it is good to know them and learn them and practice them all in the light of the teaching of Jesus Christ. They do all fit well in the laws of love, but many think they are above studying the laws.. It is not wrong to know to teach others good conduct.
No, it is not a military camp...
Num 5:3 Both male and female shall ye put out, without the camp shall ye put them; that they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell.
Num 12:15 And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again.
Miriam was not in the army. When the term camp is used in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy it is referring to Israel in the sense that they were camping. They were not in permanent dwellings but rather moved around as Christ led them.
Elin is grasping at straws here to defend a false doctrine ultimately based on the notion that the Law of Moses is not the Law of God and can simply be dismissed. But you are free to believe whatever you wish.
Num 5:3 Both male and female shall ye put out, without the camp shall ye put them; that they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell.
Num 12:15 And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again.
Miriam was not in the army. When the term camp is used in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy it is referring to Israel in the sense that they were camping. They were not in permanent dwellings but rather moved around as Christ led them.
Elin is grasping at straws here to defend a false doctrine ultimately based on the notion that the Law of Moses is not the Law of God and can simply be dismissed. But you are free to believe whatever you wish.