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The question comes down to who is your Mother, the earthly Jerasulem with the Mount Sinai Moses mediated covenant...,or the Heavenly Jerasulem at Mount Zion with Jesus as mediator?
Galatians 4v22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Galatians 4v22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
And Jesus will reign in an earthly kingdom as well:
"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."
Those above, will be those great tribulation saints who will have been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and the word of God. And who will not have worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. This will take place after Christ returns to end the age. Just scripture states above, they, along with the church, will rule with Christ during the millennial period. Again, the scripture states a thousand years of Satan being bound in the Abyss and during that same thousand years Christ will be ruling on this earth. If you read the scripture at fact value, without applying the symbolism to it, then the scripture means what it says.
If by judgment day you are referring to the wrath of the wrath of God, it will only begin once the church has been removed. For the church will not be here to experience the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which will make up the wrath of God. There will be a great white throne judgment and that, as the scripture above states, will take place at the end of the thousand years. This judgment will be for all of the unrighteous dead throughout all ages, who will be accountable for every sin they ever committed.
It is amazing to me that you would say that we are being "lulled into a false sense" in believing in a literal thousand years, when the burden of proof is on those who say that the thousand years is not a literal thousand years, but is symbolic. Those of us who believe in a literal thousand years can read it right in scripture. You on the other hand, have to attached another meaning to it, and thereby change what the scripture states.
What bothers me the most is not the Biblical topic, such as the thousand years, but the departure from the truth.
"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."
Those above, will be those great tribulation saints who will have been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and the word of God. And who will not have worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. This will take place after Christ returns to end the age. Just scripture states above, they, along with the church, will rule with Christ during the millennial period. Again, the scripture states a thousand years of Satan being bound in the Abyss and during that same thousand years Christ will be ruling on this earth. If you read the scripture at fact value, without applying the symbolism to it, then the scripture means what it says.
If by judgment day you are referring to the wrath of the wrath of God, it will only begin once the church has been removed. For the church will not be here to experience the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which will make up the wrath of God. There will be a great white throne judgment and that, as the scripture above states, will take place at the end of the thousand years. This judgment will be for all of the unrighteous dead throughout all ages, who will be accountable for every sin they ever committed.
It is amazing to me that you would say that we are being "lulled into a false sense" in believing in a literal thousand years, when the burden of proof is on those who say that the thousand years is not a literal thousand years, but is symbolic. Those of us who believe in a literal thousand years can read it right in scripture. You on the other hand, have to attached another meaning to it, and thereby change what the scripture states.
What bothers me the most is not the Biblical topic, such as the thousand years, but the departure from the truth.
is it Finished?
does Jesus have to do any more for anyone?
NO.
It Is Finished.
for jew or gentile.
so no future millennium required.
dispensationalism is based on...BASED ON....anti-Semitism.
the early founders of it said the jews had NO PLACE in the church and they cooked up two peoples theory.
repent of it it is heresy and evil.
does Jesus have to do any more for anyone?
NO.
It Is Finished.
for jew or gentile.
so no future millennium required.
dispensationalism is based on...BASED ON....anti-Semitism.
the early founders of it said the jews had NO PLACE in the church and they cooked up two peoples theory.
repent of it it is heresy and evil.
Is it finished?
Yes, in Christ Jesus.
Does Jesus have to do any more for anyone?
He does when we ask Him, such as asking for forgiveness when we sin and repenting since He is now our Mediator and Advocate to those who are born again.
Is there a future millennial reign?
Yes, because He says there will be.
Is the term dispensation used in the bible?
Yes, but it is not anti-semitic in the correct context.
Yes, in Christ Jesus.
Does Jesus have to do any more for anyone?
He does when we ask Him, such as asking for forgiveness when we sin and repenting since He is now our Mediator and Advocate to those who are born again.
Is there a future millennial reign?
Yes, because He says there will be.
Is the term dispensation used in the bible?
Yes, but it is not anti-semitic in the correct context.
The above is just another misapplication of scripture. When Jesus said "it is finished" he was referring to what he came to do, which was to meet the righteous requirements of the law and to make payment for sin on our behalf. It has nothing to do with the millennial period.
On the contrary! The nation Israel is a separate entity with a different program than the church. The church is made up of both Jew and Gentile. Scripture states that God has unfinished business with Israel as a nation, which will be fulfilled during that last seven years leading up to Christ's return. As far anti-Semitism, I pray for Israel daily that they would no longer stumble over the stumbling stone and recognize their Messiah, saying "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." Why would being a dispensationalist infer anti-Semitism?
On the contrary! The nation Israel is a separate entity with a different program than the church. The church is made up of both Jew and Gentile. Scripture states that God has unfinished business with Israel as a nation, which will be fulfilled during that last seven years leading up to Christ's return. As far anti-Semitism, I pray for Israel daily that they would no longer stumble over the stumbling stone and recognize their Messiah, saying "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." Why would being a dispensationalist infer anti-Semitism?
i love this word! Jesus was at Calvary. He was on the cross. He was dying. The scripture says that he cried out — "It is finished." In the Greek there's an interesting word for finishedthe word is "tetelestai". "Tetelestai" is a word that was used about battles. And in the Greek and Roman culture when they would have great battles they would fight in the bottom of a valley, because that was a place where they could have great numbers of soldiers. And when the battle was coming to a place where they had victory, they would have the messengers call out with a loud voice "TETELESTAI," meaning "it is finished: we have won the victory. push forward break the line of the enemy, finish them." "Tetelestai" was the word that they used to call the victory for the battle they were in. And the general could do that because he had a different perspective than all the soldiers fighting. He had a vantage point no one else had. Jesus could see in the realm of the spirit were we cant.
Well, there is very good reason. In Ezek.40-48, a temple is described that neither fits the dimensions of any of the previous temples nor of the new Jerusalem. Therefore, this temple must exist during the millennial kingdom. And within those chapters are instructions for how to perform sacrifices. I admit that I do not understand why there will be animal sacrifices, but only that the scripture says that there will be for Israel during the millennial kingdom. Some believe that it may be a done as a memorial, but beyond that I don't know why they will be done. I do know this, the dimensions of that temple are completely different from anything that we know of currently, as well as the land allotment for each of the twelve tribes.
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Where does it say this happens on Earth? Sounds like Mount Zion as described in Hebrews 12 to me.
Rev 20
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Rev 20
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
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Reminds me of these scriptures
Revelation 12
She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Revelation 12
She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
REV. 3:12.
Him that over-cometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and He shall go no more out:
and I will write upon Him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is
New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon Him my new name.
11:19.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His Testament:
and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
21:27.
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination,
or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Him that over-cometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and He shall go no more out:
and I will write upon Him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is
New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon Him my new name.
11:19.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His Testament:
and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
21:27.
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination,
or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Yes sir,Mr. Bladerunner,and the reason that Satan is bound for 1000 years at that time,is because Jesus and the saints will rule over one sixth of the world that fought again Israel,which God postponed their judgment until after the 1000 years,why,because they took the mark of the beast,in which there is no repentance after taking the mark of the beast,so they still have punishment coming,so Satan is bound for the 1000 years,and at the end of the 1000 years Satan is loosed to deceive them so they will go against Jesus and the saints,and then God will judge them and consume them with fire.
There is no animal sacrifices in the millennial reign of Christ,that is a physical reign of Christ and the saints on earth.
The Bible states that Israel is blinded in part,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which means Israel as a nation does not recognize Jesus as their Savior,blinded in part,but when the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which is when salvation is no longer available to them,when they take the mark of the beast,then Israel shall no longer be blinded in part,but shall recognize Jesus as their Messiah,because God will send them 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,which during that 7 years period,it will be the time that God causes all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel to the truth.
There will be a covenant that brings peace in the Middle East,that will start the 7 years period,and because of that Israel will build a temple and go back to animal sacrifices,why,because they are blinded in part,and as a nation does not recognize Jesus as their Messiah,but God will turn them to the truth.
Which they will be in the truth by the time the millennial reign of Christ starts,so there is no animal sacrifices in the millennial reign of Christ.
The Bible states that Israel is blinded in part,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which means Israel as a nation does not recognize Jesus as their Savior,blinded in part,but when the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which is when salvation is no longer available to them,when they take the mark of the beast,then Israel shall no longer be blinded in part,but shall recognize Jesus as their Messiah,because God will send them 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,which during that 7 years period,it will be the time that God causes all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel to the truth.
There will be a covenant that brings peace in the Middle East,that will start the 7 years period,and because of that Israel will build a temple and go back to animal sacrifices,why,because they are blinded in part,and as a nation does not recognize Jesus as their Messiah,but God will turn them to the truth.
Which they will be in the truth by the time the millennial reign of Christ starts,so there is no animal sacrifices in the millennial reign of Christ.
Hello mpaper345,
Regarding there being no animal sacrifices during the millennial period, what do you make of the temple described in Ezk.40 thru 48. The dimensions of that temple do not match any of the previous temples, nor does it match the dimensions of the new Jerusalem. Yet, within those chapters, a new temple which will exist during the millennial kingdom refers to animal sacrifices. Comments?
Regarding there being no animal sacrifices during the millennial period, what do you make of the temple described in Ezk.40 thru 48. The dimensions of that temple do not match any of the previous temples, nor does it match the dimensions of the new Jerusalem. Yet, within those chapters, a new temple which will exist during the millennial kingdom refers to animal sacrifices. Comments?
wait....what?
who says the seven heads are symbolic?
picking and choosing again
JERUSALEM!
(if you must have literal mountains....your heads are symbolic, but your mountains are literal!!! haha argggg)
who says the seven heads are symbolic?
picking and choosing again
JERUSALEM!
(if you must have literal mountains....your heads are symbolic, but your mountains are literal!!! haha argggg)
Feast of Tabernacles
the seventh chapter of John describes what Jesus said and did during the Feast of Tabernacles.
The Feast of Tabernacles is seven days long—to picture the Millennium.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were merely heirs when they dwelled on Earth (Hebrews 11:9).
While heirs they dwelled in tabernacles, or booths, sojourning in the land of promise.
Booths, or temporary dwellings, pictured that they were not yet inheritors.
That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths,
when I brought them out of the land of Egypt?…” (Leviticus 23:42-43
God says of Ephraim that they will “dwell in tabernacles,
as in the days of the solemn feast” (Hosea 12:9)
They were wanderers, waiting to inherit the promises of salvation.
He will gather the nations before Him and say: “Inherit the kingdom” (Matthew 25:34).
the festival of Tabernacles—or feast of booths—the sixth festival.
to be kept for seven days, beginning the 15th day of the seventh month
of God’s calendar
the yearly material harvest seasons in ancient Israel as
the picture of the spiritual harvest of souls.
There is a spring grain harvest(first fruits),
and the second is a main harvest(rest of man).
the festival of Tabernacles is to be held “at the year’s end” (Exodus 34:22).
the festival of Tabernacles, or booths, is called the “feast of ingathering.”
pictures the fall harvest—the great harvest of souls in the Millennium!
Zechariah 12th and 13th chapters
the meaning of the festivals of Trumpets and Atonement is made
in the 14th chapter.
The time is the Millennium. “And the [Eternal] shall be king over all the earth:
the time when “living waters”—salvation, the Holy Spirit—“shall go out from Jerusalem
“And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against
Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles”
And what will happen if they refuse to obey God? (verse 17).
nations will be forced to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, from year to year,
when Christ is ruling with a rod of iron! no rain for punishment.
This eighth day, technically a separate feast, is called “the last day,
that great day of the feast” (John 7:37).
what Jesus preached about on that day: “If any man thirst, let him come unto me,
and drink.?… [O]ut of his belly [innermost being] shall flow rivers of living water.
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive…)”
(John 7:37-39).
a time when Gentiles who died in ignorance will be given an opportunity(Ezekiel 16:53)
those in Israel who died in their sins will be given opportunity (Ezekiel 37).
“These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations,
beside the sabbaths of the Lord?(Leviticus 23:37-38)
so the mention of them in the millennium passages dragged from the OT, is only symbolic?
how does that work?
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Animal Sacrifices in the Millennium?
One of the most embarrassing aspects of Dispensationalism is their insistence that there will be a return to animal sacrifices during the Millennium.
Why I Am Not A Dispensationalist: Animal Sacrifices in the Millennium?
how does that work?
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Animal Sacrifices in the Millennium?
One of the most embarrassing aspects of Dispensationalism is their insistence that there will be a return to animal sacrifices during the Millennium.
Why I Am Not A Dispensationalist: Animal Sacrifices in the Millennium?