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So, what do you do with the fact that Paul offered sacrifices in the temple in Acts 21?
"Then Paul took the men, and the next day he purified himself along with them
and went into the temple, giving notice when the days of purification would be
fulfilled [and the offering presented] for each one of them."
i think there are sacrifices in the millennium, because the bible tells-us-so
"Then Paul took the men, and the next day he purified himself along with them
and went into the temple, giving notice when the days of purification would be
fulfilled [and the offering presented] for each one of them."
i think there are sacrifices in the millennium, because the bible tells-us-so
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well, i'm glad you brought that up!
In that day I will raise up
the booth of David that is fallen
and repair its breaches,
and raise up its ruins
and rebuild it as in the days of old,
that they may possess the remnant of Edom
and all the nations who are called by my name,”
declares the Lord who does this. (Amos 9:11-12)
and see here where James declares it fulfilled?
And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.
After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written, “‘After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’ (Acts 15:12-17)
it points to this--
Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all. (Col 3:11)
oh, and Christ is definitely King. of everything. we don't have to wait for some millennial rule for that.
Paul mentions that the levitical priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.
(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
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Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.
even after Christ's death on the cross.
(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
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Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.
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Considering all of the evil nations who are brutalizing their people. And the evil dictators. and all the evil on earth.
How can anyone say Christ is ruling.
I am sorry, The OT says when christ rules, there will be peace. The lamb will sleep with the lion, The baby will sleep with the snake. It even states that whatever nation does not worship the lord will be punished by a year long famine (no rain)
It is one thing to say some things may have already been fulfilled. It is a far other to say all have been fulfilled.
How can anyone say Christ is ruling.
I am sorry, The OT says when christ rules, there will be peace. The lamb will sleep with the lion, The baby will sleep with the snake. It even states that whatever nation does not worship the lord will be punished by a year long famine (no rain)
It is one thing to say some things may have already been fulfilled. It is a far other to say all have been fulfilled.
oh wow.
okay.
shadows and substance for you then.
Hebrews 7
Jesus Compared to Melchizedek
11Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. 13For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
15This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek, 16who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is witnessed of him,
“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
18For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19(for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
20And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath, 21but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind,
‘You are a priest forever.’”
22This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
23The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermostb those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
26For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. 28For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.
okay.
shadows and substance for you then.
Hebrews 7
Jesus Compared to Melchizedek
11Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. 13For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. 14For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
15This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek, 16who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is witnessed of him,
“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
18For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19(for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
20And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath, 21but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind,
‘You are a priest forever.’”
22This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
23The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermostb those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
26For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. 28For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.
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1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap
Where is modern day Damascus?
Damascus (Arabic: دمشق Dimashq, Syrian Arabic pronunciation: [dɪˈmɪʃeʔ]) is the capital and the second largest city of Syria after Aleppo. It is commonly known in Syria as ash-Sham (Arabic: الشام ash-Shām) and nicknamed as the City of Jasmine (Arabic: مدينة الياسمين
your thoughts?
Where is modern day Damascus?
Damascus (Arabic: دمشق Dimashq, Syrian Arabic pronunciation: [dɪˈmɪʃeʔ]) is the capital and the second largest city of Syria after Aleppo. It is commonly known in Syria as ash-Sham (Arabic: الشام ash-Shām) and nicknamed as the City of Jasmine (Arabic: مدينة الياسمين
your thoughts?
I understand what you're saying EG, but it's well understood that the Lord gave Israel (law/temple) a period of grace while continuing to observe ceremonial law etc....until His curse came to pass (70AD), and the temple and system came down forever.
surely God uses ONLY the gospel to save, though strong Christians may very well feel called as paul was to use the observances to evangelize those who had only ever known the temple system.
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under futurism, the jews would have to build a new temple (which surely would not be sanctioned by God) - we already know that Jerusalem above is our mother, that paul said clearly the two covenants were in strak contrast to each other (the jewsih temple system and old covenant being compared to Hagar! - Gal 4)
1 Corinthians 2
Paul's Message by the Spirit's Power
1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I decided to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling.…
paul became all to all, that many would be saved. that's all that went down then.
surely God uses ONLY the gospel to save, though strong Christians may very well feel called as paul was to use the observances to evangelize those who had only ever known the temple system.
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under futurism, the jews would have to build a new temple (which surely would not be sanctioned by God) - we already know that Jerusalem above is our mother, that paul said clearly the two covenants were in strak contrast to each other (the jewsih temple system and old covenant being compared to Hagar! - Gal 4)
1 Corinthians 2
Paul's Message by the Spirit's Power
1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I decided to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling.…
paul became all to all, that many would be saved. that's all that went down then.
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The gospel has been the same from the time of adam. Faith in Gods provision. It was never the temple, or sacrifices. In fact, if I remember, God would not even let David build him a house, as bad as he wanted, He left it to his son.. Because the temple was NEVER to be used as a means to salvation.
Jerusalem above has always been our mother even abrahams, Abraham we are told was ok with his descendents receiving a plot of land in what we know the middle east. even though he would never possess it himself. But his life long dream was to inherit the one above..
If the jews build a new temple. will that really affect the salvation of any of Gods elect? those who will come to Christ.
Daniel prayed for Gods holy city and temple. Praying God will remember them God loved daniel so much, he sent an angel to let Daniel know how things will go. And even at the end of the 70 year punishment prophesied by Jeremiah and Israel still living in sin. (they really truly never repented as a nation, even up until 70 AD.. up until today)
God will still never forget his people. His city, (Jerusalem)
Jerusalem above has always been our mother even abrahams, Abraham we are told was ok with his descendents receiving a plot of land in what we know the middle east. even though he would never possess it himself. But his life long dream was to inherit the one above..
If the jews build a new temple. will that really affect the salvation of any of Gods elect? those who will come to Christ.
Daniel prayed for Gods holy city and temple. Praying God will remember them God loved daniel so much, he sent an angel to let Daniel know how things will go. And even at the end of the 70 year punishment prophesied by Jeremiah and Israel still living in sin. (they really truly never repented as a nation, even up until 70 AD.. up until today)
God will still never forget his people. His city, (Jerusalem)
covenent promise, David my servant, to allways have a man to reign.
with the Levites to minister before him allways.
If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night
21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant,
that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne;
and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Deuteronomy 12:19 (KJV)
19Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not
the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.
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24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying,
The (two) families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off?
-not cast off houses of Isreal or Judah
25Thus saith the Lord; [If ]my covenant be not with day and night,
and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26[Then] will I cast away (the seed) (of Jacob), and David my servant, so that I will
not take any of his seed to be [rulers over the seed] of [Abraham, Isaac, (and Jacob): ]
for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
with the Levites to minister before him allways.
If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night
21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant,
that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne;
and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Deuteronomy 12:19 (KJV)
19Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not
the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.
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24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying,
The (two) families which the Lord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off?
-not cast off houses of Isreal or Judah
25Thus saith the Lord; [If ]my covenant be not with day and night,
and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26[Then] will I cast away (the seed) (of Jacob), and David my servant, so that I will
not take any of his seed to be [rulers over the seed] of [Abraham, Isaac, (and Jacob): ]
for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
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I can't see a christian need to be a nazarite..lol I guess I would not know how to react..lol
But if I was a christian in a jewish cuture, I would act jewish, or if I was in a muslim culture, I would do what would not offend them, and be as they are.
Paul said he was all things to all people..
The jewish temple, even to David and Daniel, was the temple and the things God gave them,, These men were saved, And knew the temple and jerusalem was not a means of their salvation. It was their gift from God.
I have no problem if God wants to return that to them if they repent, and realie, They are saved because of their messiah and him alone, Not because of any temple anything.
Does that make sense?
look how far gone things are getting EG:
Catholics shouldn’t try to convert Jews, says new Vatican document
Catholics shouldn’t try to convert Jews, says new Vatican document | Religion News Service
ELCA and some others have issued official positions saying the same.
how terribly awful.
Catholics shouldn’t try to convert Jews, says new Vatican document
Catholics shouldn’t try to convert Jews, says new Vatican document | Religion News Service
ELCA and some others have issued official positions saying the same.
how terribly awful.