what has been fulfilled?

[Bladerunner]

read these passages, along with the historical fulfillment, then tell me which of those (in Daniel 11 which most think is NOT fulfilled) is not fulfilled....lol.

you won't perhaps you're lazy, or whatever.
it's up to you.

Zone..may I............?

Have you ever heard of the lost 400 years that existed between the OT and the NT???? Well if you have not and you have read Daniel 11, you have actually read what happened in those 400 years between the testaments.

During the first 35 chapters of Daniel 11, the time period is detailed of when Alexander died (at an early age of 27-29), the split up of his empire (Greek) between the four generals and their battles between each other for superiority and the results it has on the Jewish people.

Daniel 11 tells us in chapters 36-40 the details concerning Antiochus IV ("Epiphanes"). This was the fellow who caused the Abomination Desecration of the Jewish Temple by placing an Idol in the Holy of Holies..

This triggered the Maccabean Revolt... lasting three years but in the end the revolt was successful. The temple was cleaned, and rededicated to God on the 25th of Kislev. This day is now known as Hanukkah.

NOW if you will read a little further, you will find in verses 40-45, two centuries later Jesus will tell his disciples, that a repeat of the 'Abomination Desecration' is to happen in the end-time period. This event is to trigger the last 3.5 years of the Tribulations (known as the Great Tribulations)

Let us continue for a bit more.... Reading a little further, the verses speak of a 'King of the North' commonly know as the anti-christ. It seems strange but accurate that a 'King of the North' will again be involved in the Abomination Desecration.

NOTE: this anti-christ will be the last of a line of Kings of the North to come from the area of the old Selucid empire.,,

Micah 5:5, 6 tells us that the 'man of sin' will be an Assyrian.

And this [one] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. - Micah 5:5, 6

Isaiah and Ezekiel are other prophets that use the same type description of the "Man of Sin"

The 1000 years of Peace starts after Armageddon and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I have dealt with some here over the holocaust before. It was one of the very few times I've been angry on cc. If it doesn't apply to you then just dismiss it.

Tell me when Jesus sat on David's throne as the angel Gabriel promised Mary?

acts 2:30-31 is speaking of David's throne and Jesus. Never once does it mention a second coming but His Resurrection. Jesus sat in the throne at the resurrection and ascension. He now reigns.

 

[Elizabeth619]

The Throne of David - Throne Prophecies Fulfilled at Christ’s Ascension

good read. Believe as you wish.

 

[Bladerunner]

16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. Romans 6:16-18

when Christ rose from the grave Satan was defeated was he not? He "bound" Satan as in limited his power. We are no longer slaves to sin. Sin...bondage. Revelation 20 is telling us Satan cannot destroy the church. The church is the kingdom. Early Christians were under severe persecution and were being killed
left and right for not calling the emperor Lord. There has never been such a severe persecution of Christians in history as that time. The 1000 is happening now as in Christ is king and nothing can alter Gods Plan.

Jesus Christ resurrection defeated "DEATH". He did nothing to Satan as he is still here with us.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Jesus Christ resurrection defeated "DEATH". He did nothing to Satan as he is still here with us.

Does Satan have power to abolish the church? When we become slaves to righteousness does Satan have power over us? Are we serving Satan or are we serving Christ?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Scripture tells us our battle is not of flesh and blood but of the spiritual forces. That's enough of a hint to me to tell me that revelation isn't talking about a physical earthly war where Jesus comes riding on a white horse to fight physical evil on another part of the world. Revelation is not a literal end times war book for the current age. It's a book of hope for those who have been persecuted that Jesus reigns within us all and Satan cannot overtake us. Unless we let him of course.

 

[Bladerunner]

Does Satan have power to abolish the church?

In what context are you using 'THE CHURCH"

When we become slaves to righteousness does Satan have power over us?

Slaves of righteousness"?????? Definition

a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
the quality of being morally right or justifiable..
Morally...accepted notions of right and wrong

When Jesus Christ is accepted as your personal savior, the Holy Spirit enters you and the notions of right and wrong (a conscience) becomes a part of you. Can I do something that is not moral, Yes, but I instantly know it. Am I a slave to this righteousness, NO....I have free will...I can silence the Holy Spirit within me......It is a Choice.

"Does Satan have power over us"
Everybody can be tempted, even Jesus. The Choice is NOT to accept by following Eph 6:10, 11, 14. Then nothing can get to you.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God... Having put on the breastplate of right-eousness...
Eph 6:10, 11, 14

"Are we serving Satan or are we serving Christ?"

By following the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and wearing the breastplate of righteousness; you will be serving Christ.
Choose well.

 

[Ahwatukee]

the ENTIRE context shows a literal interpretation of 1000 years is LAST to consider in this passage.
all of Rev 20.

Hello Zone,

Regarding the way your post is written, not sure about whether you are in agreement that the thousand years is literal or not. what does the following part of your post mean "is LAST to consider in this passage?"

 

[Bladerunner]

Scripture tells us our battle is not of flesh and blood but of the spiritual forces. That's enough of a hint to me to tell me that revelation isn't talking about a physical earthly war where Jesus comes riding on a white horse to fight physical evil on another part of the world. Revelation is not a literal end times war book for the current age. It's a book of hope for those who have been persecuted that Jesus reigns within us all and Satan cannot overtake us. Unless we let him of course.

You are right in one sense..... Our battle is spiritual. However, it is at this time on earth, mixed with Flesh and Blood. What you do in your flesh and blood depends upon the spiritual battle within you as I stated in another post.

Having said that, take a look back at prophecies of the Bible. were they fulfilled in the spirit only. If they were how did so many people die?????? Was the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ simply a dream or was it real. History tells us it was real. History tells us the Flood was real. History tells us of the many battles that were fought post-flood days were real. The Bible tells us these same stories. If they are spiritual how can they be in History. How can 29 different cultures have a story about the EIGHT (Noah's family) and the flood that consumed a world. I could go on and knock every spiritual story you have out of the air with History and the Bible.


If you would read the Bible literally, I think you will find out that it was divinely created, the written and inspired Words of God in 66 books from 40+ authors over some 2500 years. It contains 1800+ prophecies where some 12-1400 have come true. It is still batting 100%.

Will Jesus ride physically on a White horse to fight evil on the ground.....YES.....Will we be riding along beside him,...YES or at least I hope you are!?

I urge you to reread Daniel 1-12, then Revelations literally. They go hand in hand.Yet, Daniel was written some 300 years before John was ever thought of. Before Jesus Christ entered Jerusalem. In fact, you will find that Daniel 9:25 predicted the EXACTday that Jesus would ride into Jerusalem (Palm Sunday as it is called).

To think that the Bible , the 'WORD of GOD' is only spiritual, a collection of stories, poems, allegories, similes, etc. is nothing short of a denial of Jesus Christ.

Again,,, it is your choice......Choose well.

 

[prove-all]

POST A PASSAGE - any passage, and we can look at history to see if it is fulfilled. it's not that hard.

has the sun been darkened, and the moon shall not give her light?

Isaiah 24:23 (KJV)
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts
shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Joel 3:15 (KJV)
The sun and the moon shall be darkened,
and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Mark 13:24 (KJV)
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,

Joel 2:10 (KJV)
The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble:
the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Isaiah 13:10 (KJV)
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light:
the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.


Matthew 24:29 (KJV)

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

[prove-all]

acts 2:30-31 is speaking of David's throne and Jesus. Never once does it mention a second coming but His Resurrection. Jesus sat in the throne at the resurrection and ascension. He now reigns.

Romans 8:34 (KJV)
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,
who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Christ is not sitting on King Davids throne yet, but is on the right hand of God currently

 

[prove-all]

post the passage you want.

Revelation 1:10 and over 30 other prophecies mention the terrible
Day of the Lord that will decisively conclude this age!


this has not happened yet

 

[prove-all]

“That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness
and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick
darkness, A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against
the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like
blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall
be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung” (Zephaniah 1:15-17).

The Day of the Lord and the Great Tribulation are a time of judgment, distress, alarm and rivers
of bloodshed! You can find terrifying prophecies about this in both the Old and New Testaments.



But the good news is this: Once Christ topples the governments of man, He will return and set up
His own Kingdom on this Earth, which will bring joy and happiness forever and ever.

That’s the inspiring conclusion to this dreadful day of God’s wrath.

 

[Ahwatukee]

So at the beginning of the book when it says it will happen soon that isn't literal but thousands of years later?

Hello Elizabeth619,

Sorry for the delay, buy the thread got closed. To answer your question, the OT saints prophesied of the day of the Lord as being near. Here are some examples:

"Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day
of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand— (Joel 2:1)

"Alas for that day! For the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty."

"The great day of the Lord is near—Near and coming quickly. The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter; the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry. That day will be a day of wrath—a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness—a day of trumpet and
battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers. - Zeph.1:14-18

"Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. Because of this, all hands will go limp;

every heart will melt with fear. Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame. See, the day of the Lord is coming—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless.

I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.
Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of his burning anger. -Isaiah.13:9-13

"Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. - 1 Thes.5:1

The beginning of Revelation is not representing the beginning of the thousand years. As I stated in an earlier post, the letters to the churches (chapter 2 & 3) are also representing the entire church period which is still in progress. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will appear and remove the church, dead and living. After that last seven years will commence and the end will come when Jesus returns at the end of that seven years to end the age, which is recorded in Rev.19:11-21.

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The day of the Lord, also referred to as "the hour of trial" is that time period when God will be pouring out his wrath leading up the Christ's return to end the age. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgment is how He is going to accomplish His wrath. Regarding the above scriptures, you can see that the OT saints used the same terminology "the day of the Lord is near" when describing that time of wrath. The apostles spoke about the day of the Lord also using the same terminology as being near. In retrospect, the day of the Lord, that time of wrath, has yet to be fulfilled.

The meaning behind "is near" is not a time that you can set a date to, but is in reference to being imminent, on the horizon, looming, about to happen, in the workings.
There are other reasons as to why we cannot currently be living during the thousand years and that because the following scriptures are not taking place:

During that time Jesus will rule the nations with an iron scepter.

* He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and the spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. (Isa.2:4)

* The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the hole of a Cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper’s nest. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. (Isa.11:6-9)

* Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. (Isa.65:20)

These are just a few of the characteristics mentioned that will be existing during the millennial period.

 

[zone]

NOW if you will read a little further, you will find in verses 40-45, two centuries later Jesus will tell his disciples, that a repeat of the 'Abomination Desecration' is to happen in the end-time period. This event is to trigger the last 3.5 years of the Tribulations (known as the Great Tribulations)

Let us continue for a bit more.... Reading a little further, the verses speak of a 'King of the North' commonly know as the anti-christ. It seems strange but accurate that a 'King of the North' will again be involved in the Abomination Desecration.
.

what 3.5 years?

 

[zone]

Jesus Christ resurrection defeated "DEATH". He did nothing to Satan as he is still here with us.

not only does God say He can save from satan, He said Jesus bound satan (restrained)

Isaiah 49:24
"Can the prey be taken from the mighty man, Or the captives of a tyrant be rescued?"

Isaiah 49:25
Surely, thus says the LORD, "Even the captives of the mighty man will be taken away, And the prey of the tyrant will be rescued; For I will contend with the one who contends with you, And I will save your sons.

Matthew 12:29
How can anyone enter a strong man's house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.

 

[zone]

Hello Zone,

Regarding the way your post is written, not sure about whether you are in agreement that the thousand years is literal or not. what does the following part of your post mean "is LAST to consider in this passage?"

the entire book, and esp. rev 20 use symbolic imagery.....why do we suddenly yank 1,000 years out to be literal?
the context demands we NOT.

 

[p_rehbein]

My coffee pot was full-filled, but, I'm doing my best to rectify that!

y'all have a nice fulfillment............

 

[Agricola]

Scripture tells us our battle is not of flesh and blood but of the spiritual forces. That's enough of a hint to me to tell me that revelation isn't talking about a physical earthly war where Jesus comes riding on a white horse to fight physical evil on another part of the world. Revelation is not a literal end times war book for the current age. It's a book of hope for those who have been persecuted that Jesus reigns within us all and Satan cannot overtake us. Unless we let him of course.

If you want to beleive that, then there is a lot of prophecy which is very difficult to explain and fit in. Destruction of Damascus, will that be Spiritual? NO! What about the 2 prophets half way through the 7 year tribulation, they will be killed in the street, lay there for 3 days and the whole world will see it for themselves and celebrate, but they will then rise up and ascend into heaven after 3 days, again the whole world we see that. If this is spiritual then it make no sense what so ever. HOwever we already have the technology for the whole world to witness live events on tv.

This alone can only point to a physical future event.

 

[royalscot]

11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!"
13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.Revelation 12

a time, and times, and half a time around 1500ad bible gos to print, 2000 year mankind has read the bible.

the devil on earth, at the time jesus was on earth.
Matthew 4: The Temptation of Jesus
1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.2 And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.3 And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread."4 But he answered, "It is written,
"'Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple6 and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,
"'He will command his angels concerning you,'
and
"'On their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone.'"
7 Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'"8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.9 And he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me."10 Then Jesus said to him, "Be gone, Satan! For it is written,
"'You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.'"
11 Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.Matthew 4: The Temptation of Jesus



15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant Hebrews 9

10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.John 10: I Am the Good Shepherd.

so who or what is stopping you in believing sin has been fixed with a saviour, and no human or bad angel can snatch you out of god hands.

and for the record , mankind has let sin or evil out by misrepresenting what the bible has already told you.