what was the purpose of the law?
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I only quoted scripture concerning how to act in God's love according to His commandments. Tell me how to reject it if that is what is necessary. Work with me as Paul, and follow his example.
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Corinthians 9:20
Gain me please by becoming what you think I am for starters. Feeling sorry is a start but doesn't accomplish anything if that's all there is.
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Corinthians 9:20
Gain me please by becoming what you think I am for starters. Feeling sorry is a start but doesn't accomplish anything if that's all there is.
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We can accept what scripture states, concisely and without prejudice in and of itself, or we can pick and choose verses that, at first glance, seem to support our own views
I choose scripture
Galatians 3
Contrasting the Law and the Promise
15Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[SUP]i[/SUP] meaning one person, who is Christ.
17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.19Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions *until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
*So we see plainly, that the law was never meant to be permanent.
23Before the coming of this faith,[SUP]j[/SUP] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Are you clothed IN Christ, or are you attempting to put on the rags of the law, which only EXPOSE your sin
I choose scripture
Galatians 3
Contrasting the Law and the Promise
15Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[SUP]i[/SUP] meaning one person, who is Christ.
17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.19Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions *until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
*So we see plainly, that the law was never meant to be permanent.
23Before the coming of this faith,[SUP]j[/SUP] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Are you clothed IN Christ, or are you attempting to put on the rags of the law, which only EXPOSE your sin
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First of all, it's not Moses' take on what he thought love should be, and neither is it ours by our own perception minus the instructions from God. So are the definitions of love that God has given us not necessary so that we can love our neighbor according to what we refuse to "check out? 
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Yes it gets me how people try to make this say it is because they trusted in their works, when that is not even the context of that passage.
The part of iniquity that keeps getting left off is exactly what you have said; meaning being lawless, law breakers, or continues to deliberately be sinful.
I don't blame them because that is how they were taught, but the response was a plea to why they were not receiving eternal life. Just like a person who works a job and thinks they are doing it properly, and then one day comes in and is told they are fired. If this happened to any of us would we just turn and walk out, or would we not ask why ???
First of all, it's not Moses' take on what he thought love should be, and neither is it ours by our own perception minus the instructions from God. So are the definitions of love that God has given us not necessary so that we can love our neighbor according to what we refuse to "check out?
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For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Galatians 5:3
It is not through our fleshly efforts that we gain the approval of God.
Circumscise you heart....not your mind.. Thinking that a human being can sufficently make themself acceptable to God through efforts that in your own mind are good, is the exact opposite of faith!
It is not through our fleshly efforts that we gain the approval of God.
Circumscise you heart....not your mind.. Thinking that a human being can sufficently make themself acceptable to God through efforts that in your own mind are good, is the exact opposite of faith!
Does God divide His law? Is THE LAW a total of 613 commands . . . or is it divided into 603 with the ten commandments set apart as ANOTHER law?
Did not Jesus "hang" all the law and the prophets into two commandments? And if we follow those two are we following all 613?
I just don't get all this arguing over the LAW into an "us" and a "them". Our (everyone's) faith is through Jesus Christ - once we believe, we are MADE righteous, we are sanctified (and being sanctified), we are redeemed and we are given wisdom - Now that is all in the inner man . . . We are to put off the old man (flesh, carnal) and put on the new man (the inward man, the Spirit) AND that is a process - the process of being sanctified - and it is accomplished by the holy Spirit residing in us to will and do of His good pleasure. We are being changed "into the same image from glory to glory by the Spirit of the Lord" - by the renewing of our minds. We ALL have the desire to walk perfectly and be pleasing to God BUT we still reside in this dead body of flesh - therefore, we will not ALWAYS be perfect.
All this is done by renewing our minds to the knowledge of God - as we put off the old; we put on the new . . . . We, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, are to put on bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another and forgiving one another . . . and above all put on the love of God which is the bond of perfectness -
So yes there are things we should do and the epistles are very good at telling us HOW to practically apply these things daily and thereby grow and continue in our sanctification . . . .
But tell me, when God looks upon us - does he look upon our flesh or does he look upon that new creation he created within us - the new creation which is created in the image of Him who created him?
Did not Jesus "hang" all the law and the prophets into two commandments? And if we follow those two are we following all 613?
I just don't get all this arguing over the LAW into an "us" and a "them". Our (everyone's) faith is through Jesus Christ - once we believe, we are MADE righteous, we are sanctified (and being sanctified), we are redeemed and we are given wisdom - Now that is all in the inner man . . . We are to put off the old man (flesh, carnal) and put on the new man (the inward man, the Spirit) AND that is a process - the process of being sanctified - and it is accomplished by the holy Spirit residing in us to will and do of His good pleasure. We are being changed "into the same image from glory to glory by the Spirit of the Lord" - by the renewing of our minds. We ALL have the desire to walk perfectly and be pleasing to God BUT we still reside in this dead body of flesh - therefore, we will not ALWAYS be perfect.
All this is done by renewing our minds to the knowledge of God - as we put off the old; we put on the new . . . . We, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, are to put on bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another and forgiving one another . . . and above all put on the love of God which is the bond of perfectness -
So yes there are things we should do and the epistles are very good at telling us HOW to practically apply these things daily and thereby grow and continue in our sanctification . . . .
But tell me, when God looks upon us - does he look upon our flesh or does he look upon that new creation he created within us - the new creation which is created in the image of Him who created him?
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so are you perfect?
if you want to do as Jesus said, that's what you must do.
or else you could listen to Jesus, and understand, it is the WORK OF GOD that we have faith in him, and realize, there is nothing you can do to inherit eternal life. (which was his point to begin with, but th epharisee would never get this, so he kept telling it to the, to harden their heart even more)
if you want to do as Jesus said, that's what you must do.
or else you could listen to Jesus, and understand, it is the WORK OF GOD that we have faith in him, and realize, there is nothing you can do to inherit eternal life. (which was his point to begin with, but th epharisee would never get this, so he kept telling it to the, to harden their heart even more)
Was there something WRONG in what I posted because I really don't understand your response!
Well . . . . I believe He sees:
- the new creation which is created in the image of Him who created him - the image of God; Spirit - the image created in me; Spirit . . . . the new birth that made me a child of God.
The Spirit within me, that new man that NOW cares what I do . . . whose desires have changed to do that which is well pleasing from that of one wallowing in the mire . . . Do I sometimes "wallow in the mire"? Do I WANT to "wallow in the mire"? - Therein lies the difference!
Did I get to this point by the Law? . . . or did I get to this point through faith in the one who has brought me safe thus far?
Well . . . . I believe He sees:
- the new creation which is created in the image of Him who created him - the image of God; Spirit - the image created in me; Spirit . . . . the new birth that made me a child of God.
The Spirit within me, that new man that NOW cares what I do . . . whose desires have changed to do that which is well pleasing from that of one wallowing in the mire . . . Do I sometimes "wallow in the mire"? Do I WANT to "wallow in the mire"? - Therein lies the difference!
Did I get to this point by the Law? . . . or did I get to this point through faith in the one who has brought me safe thus far?
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Was there something WRONG in what I posted because I really don't understand your response!
Well . . . . I believe He sees:
- the new creation which is created in the image of Him who created him - the image of God; Spirit - the image created in me; Spirit . . . . the new birth that made me a child of God.
The Spirit within me, that new man that NOW cares what I do . . . whose desires have changed to do that which is well pleasing from that of one wallowing in the mire . . . Do I sometimes "wallow in the mire"? Do I WANT to "wallow in the mire"? - Therein lies the difference!
Did I get to this point by the Law? . . . or did I get to this point through faith in the one who has brought me safe thus far?
Well . . . . I believe He sees:
- the new creation which is created in the image of Him who created him - the image of God; Spirit - the image created in me; Spirit . . . . the new birth that made me a child of God.
The Spirit within me, that new man that NOW cares what I do . . . whose desires have changed to do that which is well pleasing from that of one wallowing in the mire . . . Do I sometimes "wallow in the mire"? Do I WANT to "wallow in the mire"? - Therein lies the difference!
Did I get to this point by the Law? . . . or did I get to this point through faith in the one who has brought me safe thus far?
He looks in our heart to see where or love and trust is at !!!
