when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.
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it's looking that way. But What I can't figure out why does once saved always also preach God needs to tempt you or test you , if your saved. {Quote}
We are only......born again on this earth in this life. We are not......saved.... until God judges us after this physical death.
it's looking that way. But What I can't figure out why does once saved always also preach God needs to tempt you or test you , if your saved. {Quote}
We are only......born again on this earth in this life. We are not......saved.... until God judges us after this physical death.
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Yes, good point and I do realize there is but one God and sorry if I wasn't clear enough about that... but I believe it was the God who made promise to Abraham that He would bring forth an everlasting kingdom - to include those whom He would justify so they could inhabit it. Yet it was God the Son, as the Christ, who was the vehicle by which that promise would be brough to fruition. So, to be honest, that's pretty much the extent of my knowledge, or of anything that I would even attempt to say regarding the particulars and distinctions of the Godhead.
I think that Christ Himself made distinction between Himself as the Christ and God the Father:
[1Jo 4:14 KJV] 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
[Jhn 5:37 KJV] 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
[Jhn 6:38 KJV] 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[Jhn 6:39 KJV]
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
I think that Christ Himself made distinction between Himself as the Christ and God the Father:
[1Jo 4:14 KJV] 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
[Jhn 5:37 KJV] 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
[Jhn 6:38 KJV] 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[Jhn 6:39 KJV]
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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No -it is an impossibility that to be born again means to be physically born again on this earth, since we already have physical life here.
what do you think this means?
[Rev 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[Jhn 3:3, 6 KJV]
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ...
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
what do you think this means?
[Rev 20:6 KJV] 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[Jhn 3:3, 6 KJV]
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. ...
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
I should have included this in my prior reply to you: that spiritual rebirth is just that: the birth of the spirit. And the changes which accompany it are changes to (our) spirit by the Holy Spirit. As such, our understanding, belief, perceptions and "decisions", are not of the human intellect, but of newly acquired spiritual intellect. So, from that, human intellect no longer directs belief; instead, the spiritual directs belief. In coming to a knowledge of spiritual truth, those who have become saved/born again, would never give consideration to adopting the doctrines of unbelief. But I guess the answer to your question then would be that, yes, in a sense, if we are of His elect, you could say that we are made by God to believe, because left to ourselves and to our human nature, none would/could believe.
[Phl 2:13 KJV] 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
[Mat 13:16 KJV] 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
[Phl 2:13 KJV] 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
[Mat 13:16 KJV] 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Would that not be the "same as the
Sound mind" that God Gives All believers?:
2Ti 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
GRACE And Peace...
Sound mind" that God Gives All believers?:
2Ti 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear;
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
GRACE And Peace...
WOW..study the Bible. That is a elementary comment.
The Bible tells us that we must be ...born again...spiritually...not physically. How could that be physically? Where did you get that?
It wouldn't surprise me that it is in one of the new..... new age religion editions (I can't call them bibles).
I fear you would not understand the answer to your question...so I will refrain.
Ye do err in NOT knowing the scriptures!
2Peter 1:18-21
And this voice which came from heaven we heard,when we were with him in the Holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophesy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,as unto a light that shines in a dark place,until the day dawn,and the day star arise in your hearts:
KNOWING THIS FIRST,THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURES IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPERTATION.
For the prophecy came not in old time by THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN IF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!
2Peter 1:18-21
And this voice which came from heaven we heard,when we were with him in the Holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophesy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,as unto a light that shines in a dark place,until the day dawn,and the day star arise in your hearts:
KNOWING THIS FIRST,THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURES IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPERTATION.
For the prophecy came not in old time by THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN IF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!
