Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

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Ahwatukee

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Firstly let me say thankyou for taking your time to explain, I still have some unsurity, could you explain more about the tribulation saints for me.

Are the tribulation saints the 144.000 tribulation people of the 12 tribes of isreal who where sealed.

are those 144.000 tribulation saints currently in heaven ?
There are two new groups introduced in Revelation 7:

144,000 Israelites - This group will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and will be sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads in the earlier part of that first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. The Male Child mentioned in Rev.12, is a collective name representing this group who will be caught up to God and His throne in the middle of the seven years before the dragon/Satan can kill them. So no, they do not belong to the great tribulation saints, because they will be taken of the earth before it begins. Though it only mentions them being caught up, I believe that they will also be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies at that time as well.

A Large Number Which No Man Can Count - This group of white robed saints are introduced immediately after the 144,000. Scripture states that they will be from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them Gentile believers. Within the context, one of the elders asks John who these in white robes are and where they came from? The very fact that he is asking John this question demonstrates that they are not the church, which he had just previously written to. It is this group who will come out of the great tribulation, meaning that they will have died during that time. Considering the fact that the great tribulation hasn't started from John's time frame, I believe that he is seeing a vision of those who will eventually be killed during the GT. John sees the spirits of those who were under the altar at the opening of the 5th seal and who had been killed prior to the great tribulation. John sees both those under the altar and these who come out of the GT, being resurrected in Rev.20:4-6.

Do the tribulation saints have any part in the seven year reign of the antichrist during tribulation and if so what is there part, or do they only take part in the 1000 year reign of Christ after the 7 year reign of the anti Christ and what is there part there, ?
Though the antichrist establishes that seven year covenant with Israel, it is not until the middle of that seven years that he begins to reign. Scripture states that he is given power over the great tribulation saints for 42 months, which is that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period.

The GTS will be the enemy of the beast, therefore they will have no part in his reign. They will basically be keeping their testimony for Jesus and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. They will be trying to stay alive! Those GTS who will have died, will be resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies and they will rule with Christ during that thousand years.

Another question i have does anyone pass the great white throne Judgement?
Good question! First of all, since their spirits are coming out of Hades, that means that they will have been in torment in flame during there time there. Simply put, anyone whose spirit goes to Hades at the time of death, their names are not going to be found in the book of life, else they wouldn't have been in Hades in the first place.

The GWTJ is listed in Revelation 20:15-21, which takes place after the thousand years. Rev.20: says "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them." Since those who are resurrected at the end of the thousand years will have not shared in the first resurrection, then the second death (lake of fire) will have power over them.

Another detail that stands out to me is that, those who are resurrected at the end of the thousand years at the GWTJ, are always referred to as "the dead," even after they receive their resurrected bodies, which tells me that this is in reference to their state of being with God, dead, separated.

To answer your question, I do not believe that anyone who takes part in this resurrection will have their names found in the book of life, but their judgment will be a matter of due process. In other words, checking for their names in the book of life would be futile. Anyone else have an opinion on this issue?

In your feeling during the 1000 year reign of Christ apart from the 144,000 tribulation saints, will anyone who is still alive still be saved before the great white throne Judgement starts? and not even stand at the great white throne.
Well, the church will not be judged at the GWTJ, because we will have already been judged at the Bema Seat after being caught up to heaven. Though scripture is silent about the righteous during the thousand years, I'm sure that there will be those who remain faithful to Christ. But at the same time, there will be many who turn against Him one last time after Satan is released from the Abyss. Scripture just doesn't say anything about those during the thousand years in regards to if they will be judged at the GWTJ or any other details.

also during these 3 periods the 3 1/2 year reign of the antichrist and the 1000 year reign of Christ and then the period known as Gog and Magog after the 1000 year reign of Christ. what happens to all the people deemed wicked who are killed in these periods , are they all immediately chucked into the lake of fire, or do they get sent to hades to appear befor the the great white throne ?.[/QUOTE]

At the end of the tribulation period, Jesus will return to the earth, with His church and His angels. According to Matt.24:31 and Matt.13, He will send His angels out and they will go throughout the earth and first gather the weeds/wicked and will bring them back to the area of Armageddon. At that time they will all be killed with that double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth. I believe that their spirits will depart and go down into Hades and will later be resurrected at the GWTJ and then cast into the lake of fire. I believe that it will be the same scenario for those who are killed at the end of the thousand years when God rains down fire upon them. The unrighteous dead will all receive resurrected bodies mete for their punishment.

"Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse. And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

"The Rest" would be the kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.
 

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i actually made a miss typo and ment to put 7 years, at the time 8 hours ago, but now i wonder if its 7000 years based on one day being like a thousand years, seems fitting if im going to be honest that tribulation would be a lot longer than 7 years.
Thats not a typo. Its a wholesale departure from Scripture, fully intentional.
 

Ahwatukee

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@Ahwatukee hi again just a question on your bases for the tribulation only being for seven years. (the reign of the anti Christ) i forgot to mention that one day is like a thousand years to the lord. so could the tribulation of the reign of the anti Christ be 7000 years. 7 years x 1000 = 7000 ?.
Again, the antichrist does not reign for seven years. But does his rule does not begin until the middle of the seven years, when He causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease and sets up that abomination in the temple. It is at this same time that he will sit in the temple proclaiming himself to be God and will be given authority to make war against the saints and to conquer them.

Regarding the saying "a thousand years is as a day and a day as a thousand years," this was not meant to be used as a measurement to figure out prophecy time-lines. Someone just started that and everyone else went with it. What it does mean is that, time does not affect God as it affects human beings, i.e. God is not limited by the same constraints of time as human beings are.
 

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@Ahwatukee ...
Thank you so much for this , it is so helpful...

I am reading Revelation for the second time , and this is exactly what the Holy Spirit has been teaching me...
I wish I could print this out lol , but thank you for taking your time to type this out...
...xox...
Thank you! And you are so welcome.
 
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hi miss typo at the time of writing ment to put 7 years, but now i think 1 day is like a thousand years to the lord as written in the bible , so it could be 7000 years, what are your thoughts on that. but even if its not seven thousand years for the reign of the anti christ, hasnt he been giving people tribulation troubles for the last 6500 years or so
I don't believe in 'An Antichrist'.
Yes .....Satan has been doing nasty stuff for thousands of years
 

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@Ahwatukee ...
Thank you so much for this , it is so helpful...

I am reading Revelation for the second time , and this is exactly what the Holy Spirit has been teaching me...
I wish I could print this out lol , but thank you for taking your time to type this out...
...xox...
By the way, may God bless you for your desire to know the book of Revelation. It is one of the only books, if not thee only book, that gives a blessing for those who read aloud the words of that prophecy, or in this case read them and those who hear it and take to heart what is wrath therein.

The more you search for understanding, the more God reveals.
 
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Thats not a typo. Its a wholesale departure from Scripture, fully intentional.
Much like your [Denial] of Daniel flat out telling us the Abomination is the End of Daily Sacrifice and the Desolation is that they cannot continue Daily Sacrifice.

Or, it could be taking Paul's words from 1 Thess and [completely] ignoring the [most important portion of what Paul stated] WE who are ALIVE and [[[[[REMAIN]]]]] until the "Coming of the Lord" (Matthew 24:30).

And then when you completely [ignore] Daniel and completely [skip past] Paul's clarification we will REMAIN until Christ Returns, you then spend hours upon hours trying to shove a Doctrine that for 1800 years since the Ascension of Christ has been known as Heresy!

Where do you get off slamming someone after you have been spewing such hogwash in that the only way to see it through Scripture is to completely IGNORE the Blatant TRUTH?
 
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Notice that Paul states [Coming of the Lord] like Christ said [Coming of the Son of Man].

A COMING is what has already been known and established for 2,000 years as the Second Coming!

How can you IGNORE the TRUTH of what Paul said?

He said WE REMAIN until the COMING [Second Coming] of the Lord!
 

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There are two new groups introduced in Revelation 7:

144,000 Israelites - This group will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and will be sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads in the earlier part of that first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. The Male Child mentioned in Rev.12, is a collective name representing this group who will be caught up to God and His throne in the middle of the seven years before the dragon/Satan can kill them. So no, they do not belong to the great tribulation saints, because they will be taken of the earth before it begins. Though it only mentions them being caught up, I believe that they will also be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies at that time as well.

A Large Number Which No Man Can Count - This group of white robed saints are introduced immediately after the 144,000. Scripture states that they will be from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them Gentile believers. Within the context, one of the elders asks John who these in white robes are and where they came from? The very fact that he is asking John this question demonstrates that they are not the church, which he had just previously written to. It is this group who will come out of the great tribulation, meaning that they will have died during that time. Considering the fact that the great tribulation hasn't started from John's time frame, I believe that he is seeing a vision of those who will eventually be killed during the GT. John sees the spirits of those who were under the altar at the opening of the 5th seal and who had been killed prior to the great tribulation. John sees both those under the altar and these who come out of the GT, being resurrected in Rev.20:4-6.



Though the antichrist establishes that seven year covenant with Israel, it is not until the middle of that seven years that he begins to reign. Scripture states that he is given power over the great tribulation saints for 42 months, which is that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period.

The GTS will be the enemy of the beast, therefore they will have no part in his reign. They will basically be keeping their testimony for Jesus and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. They will be trying to stay alive! Those GTS who will have died, will be resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies and they will rule with Christ during that thousand years.



Good question! First of all, since their spirits are coming out of Hades, that means that they will have been in torment in flame during there time there. Simply put, anyone whose spirit goes to Hades at the time of death, their names are not going to be found in the book of life, else they wouldn't have been in Hades in the first place.

The GWTJ is listed in Revelation 20:15-21, which takes place after the thousand years. Rev.20: says "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them." Since those who are resurrected at the end of the thousand years will have not shared in the first resurrection, then the second death (lake of fire) will have power over them.

Another detail that stands out to me is that, those who are resurrected at the end of the thousand years at the GWTJ, are always referred to as "the dead," even after they receive their resurrected bodies, which tells me that this is in reference to their state of being with God, dead, separated.

To answer your question, I do not believe that anyone who takes part in this resurrection will have their names found in the book of life, but their judgment will be a matter of due process. In other words, checking for their names in the book of life would be futile. Anyone else have an opinion on this issue?



Well, the church will not be judged at the GWTJ, because we will have already been judged at the Bema Seat after being caught up to heaven. Though scripture is silent about the righteous during the thousand years, I'm sure that there will be those who remain faithful to Christ. But at the same time, there will be many who turn against Him one last time after Satan is released from the Abyss. Scripture just doesn't say anything about those during the thousand years in regards to if they will be judged at the GWTJ or any other details.

also during these 3 periods the 3 1/2 year reign of the antichrist and the 1000 year reign of Christ and then the period known as Gog and Magog after the 1000 year reign of Christ. what happens to all the people deemed wicked who are killed in these periods , are they all immediately chucked into the lake of fire, or do they get sent to hades to appear befor the the great white throne ?.
At the end of the tribulation period, Jesus will return to the earth, with His church and His angels. According to Matt.24:31 and Matt.13, He will send His angels out and they will go throughout the earth and first gather the weeds/wicked and will bring them back to the area of Armageddon. At that time they will all be killed with that double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth. I believe that their spirits will depart and go down into Hades and will later be resurrected at the GWTJ and then cast into the lake of fire. I believe that it will be the same scenario for those who are killed at the end of the thousand years when God rains down fire upon them. The unrighteous dead will all receive resurrected bodies mete for their punishment.

"Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse. And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

"The Rest" would be the kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.



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Thankyou once again for explaining this :). Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture,
mathew 27:51-52
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. thanks god bless you.:)




May God Guide my steps
 

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Thats not a typo. Its a wholesale departure from Scripture, fully intentional.
if you read post 906 i mentioned the tribulation being for 7 years, and then if you read post 907 i wrote 7000 years, honestly it was a miss typo, i laughed when i came back home and saw all your responces, sorry lol. honestly God bless you, but it has got me wondering lol. What i cant get into my head is. revalation says satan will be let loose on the earth for 7 years, then held captive for 1000 years, then let loose, again, then thrown in the lake of fire. but the thing is hes been let loose for the last 6500 years or from the time of adam and eve. this subject is some what confusing to me.

The reality is satan can be held captive according to revalation, but yet hes let been let lose for that last 6500 years or so, its almost like theres something where not suppose to know. The other thing is most of revelation scripture comes from scripture what people believe to be prophecies in the bible, yet theres many other sciptures that are prophecy contenders for the rapture and tribulation people dont see. like the flood, that looks like tribulation to me, or the whole of egypt being wiped out theres other toicould recall, theres many more. like world war 2. the first nuclear bomb. the fall of the roman empire, and other empires. the fall of neb.
look at all the plagues too through out the ages, theres so many differnet plagues every year, now the other tribulation where in now with corvid. climate change is now really starting to worry scientists and they fear it could rapidly speed up. wild fires worse than ever wildfire smoke carrying for 2000 miles scientist fearing theres no room left for smoke in our ozone, load of counties now reporting unusualy hot weather like russia.
ice caps melting. highest ever tempatures recorded. poverty really bad now.

come on who has been rulling this world for the last 6500 years, with all honesty answer.
it really does feal like where in tribulation.

@Ahwatukee said when satan set up his covenant with isreal in tribulation satan will have them all doing animal sacrafice, but thats allready happend too. ,,, what on earth are you suppose to believe ?
 

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just thought i would resend this last post was a bit jumbled

@Ahwatukee Thankyou once again for explaining to me :). Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture,
mathew 27:51-52
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. thanks god bless you.
 

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but the thing is hes been let loose for the last 6500 years or from the time of adam and eve. this subject is some what confusing to me.
Here's the way to understand this:
1. Satan, his evil angels, and demons have been allowed to occupy the atmospheric heaven since he was cast out of God's Heaven. But they do untold damage on earth since they are all spirit beings, and God allows them freedom up to a point.

2. Satan is "the god of this world" in that he has taken captive all mankind, and his higher evil angels control nations and kingdoms, as well as a small cabal of Satanists who work on his behalf to destroy and enslave humanity. However the preaching of the Gospel sets men free from the power of Satan. At the present time all governments are doing his bidding.

3. Just before the Tribulation, Satan and his evil angels will be cast down to earth and will not have access to the atmospheric heaven (Rev 12). At this time Satan will know that his time of freedom is short, and he will exert his full wrath on humanity along with his angels and demons.

4. After the battle of Armageddon, the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19). But Satan will be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit just before the Millennium (Rev 20).

5. During the Millennium neither Satan nor his evil angels will have any influence over the earth and its inhabitants. But after the 1,000 years are completed he will be released for a very short time (Rev 20).

6. Satan will gather the nations against Christ at the battle of Gog and Magog. But Jesus will destroy all these evildoers in one stroke, and cast Satan into the Lake of Fire for eternity. (Rev 20)

7. Christ told us that Hell (Gehenna = the Lake of Fire) was prepared for the devil and his angels. So that will be their eternal place of torment. But all those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will also be cast into the Lake of Fire. (Rev 20)
 

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Here's the way to understand this:
1. Satan, his evil angels, and demons have been allowed to occupy the atmospheric heaven since he was cast out of God's Heaven. But they do untold damage on earth since they are all spirit beings, and God allows them freedom up to a point.

2. Satan is "the god of this world" in that he has taken captive all mankind, and his higher evil angels control nations and kingdoms, as well as a small cabal of Satanists who work on his behalf to destroy and enslave humanity. However the preaching of the Gospel sets men free from the power of Satan. At the present time all governments are doing his bidding.

3. Just before the Tribulation, Satan and his evil angels will be cast down to earth and will not have access to the atmospheric heaven (Rev 12). At this time Satan will know that his time of freedom is short, and he will exert his full wrath on humanity along with his angels and demons.

4. After the battle of Armageddon, the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19). But Satan will be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit just before the Millennium (Rev 20).

5. During the Millennium neither Satan nor his evil angels will have any influence over the earth and its inhabitants. But after the 1,000 years are completed he will be released for a very short time (Rev 20).

6. Satan will gather the nations against Christ at the battle of Gog and Magog. But Jesus will destroy all these evildoers in one stroke, and cast Satan into the Lake of Fire for eternity. (Rev 20)

7. Christ told us that Hell (Gehenna = the Lake of Fire) was prepared for the devil and his angels. So that will be their eternal place of torment. But all those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will also be cast into the Lake of Fire. (Rev 20)
The history of the bible is 4000 years or so maybe more 4 to 5000 . the whole lot of it is nothing but tribulation, in sence of bad things happening its littered with wars disease chaos worshiping the beast and evil. and then we have 2000 years after christ where by there is persacution of christians all over the world, not to mention denomic oppression for many christians. really does look like 6500 year of tribulation with satan ruling. theres a part in the bible and its a catch 22, funny enough its written in 1 proverbs 22.It quotes you lot will put hatred into wisdom, and you lot will hate and scorn each other. and you lot will no longer have simplicity. then we move to only a few people will make it to heaven.

I think you call that tribulation and where in it. where not suppose to know where in tribulation, as where told no one knows the hour or the day, but i think where not suppose to know where in one for other reasons.

i dont know for sure what reason it is but i do have my suspicions.
 

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By the way, may God bless you for your desire to know the book of Revelation. It is one of the only books, if not thee only book, that gives a blessing for those who read aloud the words of that prophecy, or in this case read them and those who hear it and take to heart what is wrath therein.

The more you search for understanding, the more God reveals.
*Correction = "written therein"

Sheesh! I need to edit my posts better.
 

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At the end of the tribulation period, Jesus will return to the earth, with His church and His angels. According to Matt.24:31 and Matt.13, He will send His angels out and they will go throughout the earth and first gather the weeds/wicked and will bring them back to the area of Armageddon. At that time they will all be killed with that double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth. I believe that their spirits will depart and go down into Hades and will later be resurrected at the GWTJ and then cast into the lake of fire. I believe that it will be the same scenario for those who are killed at the end of the thousand years when God rains down fire upon them. The unrighteous dead will all receive resurrected bodies mete for their punishment.

"Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse. And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

"The Rest" would be the kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.
Thankyou once again for explaining this :). Could you help me out with this scripture, as i read when i was doing a study of the rapture a long time ago. a quote said the rapture started 2000 years ago, left me some what confused. it was based on this scripture,
mathew 27:51-52

51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. thanks god bless you.:)


May God Guide my steps[/QUOTE]

Hello de-merald,

While it is true that after the Lord resurrected, many OT saints came out of the tombs and went into the city. However, it is my belief that their resurrection was similar to when the Lord raised Lazarus or the synagogue rulers daughter and others from the dead, which was in their same mortal body. To be clear, those who came out of the tombs did not resurrect in their immortal and glorified bodies, but in their mortal bodies and later died again.

In addition, scripture states that the resurrection of the dead and the living within the church will be a group resurrection, where the entire church will be resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies. Then there is the following:

"But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the first fruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him."

So, Christ was the first fruits of those who have resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies and the next resurrection immortal and glorified will be the church, which is who is referred to as "those who belong to Him." My point being is that, there couldn't have been anyone resurrected immortal and glorified in between those two mentioned. The church is next.
 

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if you read post 906 i mentioned the tribulation being for 7 years, and then if you read post 907 i wrote 7000 years, honestly it was a miss typo, i laughed when i came back home and saw all your responces, sorry lol. honestly God bless you, but it has got me wondering lol. What i cant get into my head is. revalation says satan will be let loose on the earth for 7 years, then held captive for 1000 years, then let loose, again, then thrown in the lake of fire. but the thing is hes been let loose for the last 6500 years or from the time of adam and eve. this subject is some what confusing to me.

The reality is satan can be held captive according to revalation, but yet hes let been let lose for that last 6500 years or so, its almost like theres something where not suppose to know. The other thing is most of revelation scripture comes from scripture what people believe to be prophecies in the bible, yet theres many other sciptures that are prophecy contenders for the rapture and tribulation people dont see. like the flood, that looks like tribulation to me, or the whole of egypt being wiped out theres other toicould recall, theres many more. like world war 2. the first nuclear bomb. the fall of the roman empire, and other empires. the fall of neb.
look at all the plagues too through out the ages, theres so many differnet plagues every year, now the other tribulation where in now with corvid. climate change is now really starting to worry scientists and they fear it could rapidly speed up. wild fires worse than ever wildfire smoke carrying for 2000 miles scientist fearing theres no room left for smoke in our ozone, load of counties now reporting unusualy hot weather like russia.
ice caps melting. highest ever tempatures recorded. poverty really bad now.

come on who has been rulling this world for the last 6500 years, with all honesty answer.
it really does feal like where in tribulation.

@Ahwatukee said when satan set up his covenant with isreal in tribulation satan will have them all doing animal sacrafice, but thats allready happend too. ,,, what on earth are you suppose to believe ?
Hi de-emerald,

Just a correction here: Satan will not have Israel doing animal sacrifices. Since they did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah, they still consider themselves to be under the law and are therefore looking forward to building their temple and starting to sacrifice once again according to the law. This coming seven years will be in fulfillment of the seventy seven year periods that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem. Once the church has been gathered, God will pick up right where He left off with His people Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years of the decree.
 

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@Ahwatukee ...
Thank you so much for this , it is so helpful...

I am reading Revelation for the second time , and this is exactly what the Holy Spirit has been teaching me...
I wish I could print this out lol , but thank you for taking your time to type this out...
...xox...
My wife and I are currently reading Revelation for the 3rd time together as a married couple. @Ahwatukee has much insight and knowledge in this book that I respect and always carefully consider what he brings to light.
 

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My wife and I are currently reading Revelation for the 3rd time together as a married couple. @Ahwatukee has much insight and knowledge in this book that I respect and always carefully consider what he brings to light.
That is wonderful to hear, tourist! And the more you seek to understand it, the more the Spirit will reveal to you. There are many deeper, secret things within this book which God begins to bring to light with study.

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants what things must take place in quickness."

So, according to the verse above, God the Father gave His Son Jesus the information contained in Revelation to give to those who belong to Him. For this reason alone we should read this book. There is also a blessing:

"Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."

There is also a curse:

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book."

May the Lord bless you and your wife as you search out His word contained in the book of Revelation.
 

cv5

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Much like your [Denial] of Daniel flat out telling us the Abomination is the End of Daily Sacrifice and the Desolation is that they cannot continue Daily Sacrifice.
So what pray tell is Paul speaking about in this passage?


Or, it could be taking Paul's words from 1 Thess and [completely] ignoring the [most important portion of what Paul stated] WE who are ALIVE and [[[[[REMAIN]]]]] until the "Coming of the Lord" (Matthew 24:30).

And then when you completely [ignore] Daniel and completely [skip past] Paul's clarification we will REMAIN until Christ Returns, you then spend hours upon hours trying to shove a Doctrine that for 1800 years since the Ascension of Christ has been known as Heresy!

Where do you get off slamming someone after you have been spewing such hogwash in that the only way to see it through Scripture is to completely IGNORE the Blatant TRUTH?
Pray tell us what you think Paul is talking about in these passages?

2Thess 2:3-5

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,
2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that the man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition,
4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he doeth sit as God in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
 

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My wife and I are currently reading Revelation for the 3rd time together as a married couple.
Precious friend, that is awesome! You both will certainly be blessed knowing
what God will do in the future!

Have you considered What God Is Doing Today, Under GRACE? By reading
together through:


Romans – Philemon (KJB!) = God's GRACE/PEACE Love Letters Directly
TO us Today, For: Consolation, Comfort, Edification, Enjoyment,
Encouragement, And spiritual Building Up Of All The
BLOOD-Washed
"members ( saints!" ) In The Body Of CHRIST!, HIS Church, Seated In Heaven!
Amen? {Please start here, But remember: "ALL Scripture is Profitable for learning!"
including Revelation}

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!